GT: CHA vs 76ers Monday December 16th at 7PM

[KembaWalker]

Just remember that when you read revisionist history conversations about how Allen Iverson was trash and a ballhog and his teams would have been better if he got Snow and Tyrone Hill and Mutombo more involved, just remember Salaun rifling the ball into Diabates kneecaps in crunch time and know that people that say stuff like that absolutely do not know ball. This team in its current iteration is better when LaMelo takes 35 shots whether they go in or not. That’s not a good thing by any means, but it’s our reality

[KembaWalker]

Also it’s extra painful because as fun as it is to watch some Melo/Mark pick and rolls and the pretty behind the back passes, it’s impossible to ignore Mark getting absolutely abused on the other end of the floor with his drop coverage. It’s hard to blame him cause he did well when he was challenged and had some nice blocks but it’s hard to ignore how much more competent we look defensively when Diabate can go out there and guard the perimeter versus Mark and Nick. With those two we will simply always be overly reliant on poor opponent shooting nights or being on fire ourselves to win games instead of actually playing reliably winning basketball

[SWedd523]

yeah I don't follow that complaint at all.

simple counter argument is that Mark takes away the paint, roll man on picks, and forces other teams to win by hitting threes or perimeter ISO ball

not even mentioning that Diabetes is a negative threat offensively and forces the team to play with two brick hands tied behind their back

[KembaWalker]

yeah I don't follow that complaint at all.

simple counter argument is that Mark takes away the paint, roll man on picks, and forces other teams to win by hitting threes or perimeter ISO ball

not even mentioning that Diabetes is a negative threat offensively and forces the team to play with two brick hands tied behind their back

I think saying Mark is anything but a light shotblocking deterrence is probably generous right now but he needs more time to develop and get himself right. He's certainly not taking away large swathes of the court every possession down the floor like Gobert or anything. his drop coverage gives up a lot more than it gives you right now

and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Diabate is better or a perfect fit or anything. We simply need better and more talented two way players. nobody is scheming this roster to any degree of success, something you won't hear from this coach but you probably would have already heard at this point from Cliff or anyone else who isn't afraid to address things directly. just gotta hope for Flagg I guess

[JustBuzzin]

Just remember that when you read revisionist history conversations about how Allen Iverson was trash and a ballhog and his teams would have been better if he got Snow and Tyrone Hill and Mutombo more involved, just remember Salaun rifling the ball into Diabates kneecaps in crunch time and know that people that say stuff like that absolutely do not know ball. This team in its current iteration is better when LaMelo takes 35 shots whether they go in or not. That’s not a good thing by any means, but it’s our reality

We need more vets who can still play. Guys like Taj are nice, but he can no longer play the game.

Right now this roster needs retooling and Melo/Miller/Mark are the only guys safe.

[Bassman]

yeah I don't follow that complaint at all.

simple counter argument is that Mark takes away the paint, roll man on picks, and forces other teams to win by hitting threes or perimeter ISO ball

not even mentioning that Diabetes is a negative threat offensively and forces the team to play with two brick hands tied behind their back

I think saying Mark is anything but a light shotblocking deterrence is probably generous right now but he needs more time to develop and get himself right. He's certainly not taking away large swathes of the court every possession down the floor like Gobert or anything. his drop coverage gives up a lot more than it gives you right now

and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Diabate is better or a perfect fit or anything. We simply need better and more talented two way players. nobody is scheming this roster to any degree of success, something you won't hear from this coach but you probably would have already heard at this point from Cliff or anyone else who isn't afraid to address things directly. just gotta hope for Flagg I guess

Yeah, there’s a lot not working well right now, certainly not consistently. I’m the first one to not be a Hornet’s apologist, but the reality is this team wasn’t ready to be really good yet, even without the injuries. I see poor defense, both at some individual levels but especially as a team, just killing us every night. Mark is showing some good flashes, but he’s still not pushing the limits on D, and clearly doesn’t have all his bounce back. Agree his lane D is more of a caution sign for opponents than a red warning beacon.

Other players just haven’t played enough together, consistently, to create consistent FLOW. That is a term I use to describe great basketball, on both sides, where the players move fast, understanding what each other will do, reading and reacting without thinking. This team has some individual moments, but not as a team. That’s on Coach, and on the lack of playing together enough to develop it.

[Walt Cronkite]

Glad the best possible lineup got some minutes together, now back to your regularly scheduled season…

[JDR720]

TJ being whatever he is is the least of this teams issues.

Our core 4 (Melo/Miles/Mark/Miller) were healthy for like... an hour before Miller end up getting hurt again. This team is literally cursed, there is no doubt about it.

I've also been very unimpressed with Lee. His offensive system is a lot worse than Borrego's, I'm not even sure he's better than Clifford either at this point. We're just playing like a bunch of dummies, our only reliable way to generate offense is bombing threes like we're Golden State when Steph's robin was Monte Ellis instead of Klay and Draymond.

This is the year we have to pick top 3 and we have to hit on whoever it is. It doesn't matter if it's Flagg or one of the other top 3 prospects.

If we don't land one of them, I say we should just tear it down and start over again. This team's season has been ended before January like 10 of the past 12 years. There's no point in doing the same thing over and over again.

Enlighten me by what you mean tear down

I mean, we can't just keep doing the same thing year after year and expect different results. We're the only team of the previously rebuilding teams from 5-6 years ago who still aren't any good besides the Wizards. Even the Pistons are respectable this season.

And that isn't because we lack talent. It's because that talent is always injured. Our best players have played like... maybe 1000 total minutes together in the past 2-3 years. And I feel like that's a lot more than it actually is.

If we get Flagg or another of the top 3 prospects, maybe they'll be so good we can deal with the injures to everyone else and be respectable. But if we're picking 6th or something, we're just waiting around until injury prone players stop being injured.

If that happens, we have to seriously consider trading some of them (yes even Melo) and try to rebuild again with Miller as the centerpiece.

[yosemiteben]

I just watched a Clingan game where he started. He looks NBA ready. Just needs to work on conditioning. Peterson ever heard of that?

I’m just merely stating in the worst draft in history it’s not a bad pick. Swing for the fences who cares. He’s also only played what 19 games? Maybe something clicks. Between you and me I thought Clingan would be way better than what’s he’s shown. That’s neither here nor there. Glad to see you post again lol. I knew you wouldn’t be gone long.

I'm not coming back here. You wish.

If you are going to parachute into the board only to talk about Clingan (while weirdly simultaneously acting like you aren't on here posting), you will eventually find that you won't have a choice of whether you can come back.

[JDR720]

This has been a yearly debate every year besides when Borrego took us to the playin twice. All the other seasons we've practically been a hospital team.

[KembaWalker]

Still think Borrego had a lot more offensive talent than this team. Brandon Miller is our 1st/2nd option every night and it might hurt peoples feelings but he's playing a lot more like Hornets era Kelly Oubre than some kind of star player. lots of bad 3s, goes off on a heater once a week or two, occasional dunk and flex. not much substance there right now. development staff has plenty of work to do if this is the "core"

[Liver_Pooty]

Still think Borrego had a lot more offensive talent than this team. Brandon Miller is our 1st/2nd option every night and it might hurt peoples feelings but he's playing a lot more like Hornets era Kelly Oubre than some kind of star player. lots of bad 3s, goes off on a heater once a week or two, occasional dunk and flex. not much substance there right now. development staff has plenty of work to do if this is the "core"

I agree.

[EmpireFalls]

I miss Borrego

[MasterIchiro]

I’m just merely stating in the worst draft in history it’s not a bad pick. Swing for the fences who cares. He’s also only played what 19 games? Maybe something clicks. Between you and me I thought Clingan would be way better than what’s he’s shown. That’s neither here nor there. Glad to see you post again lol. I knew you wouldn’t be gone long.

I'm not coming back here. You wish.

If you are going to parachute into the board only to talk about Clingan (while weirdly simultaneously acting like you aren't on here posting), you will eventually find that you won't have a choice of whether you can come back.

I'm talking about Salaün here.

He looks like he doesn't belong on the floor out there.

Just my humble opinion.

His numbers look bad.

[Rich4114]

I'm not coming back here. You wish.

If you are going to parachute into the board only to talk about Clingan (while weirdly simultaneously acting like you aren't on here posting), you will eventually find that you won't have a choice of whether you can come back.

I'm talking about Salaün here.

He looks like he doesn't belong on the floor out there.

Just my humble opinion.

His numbers look bad.

It's because he doesn't. What other team would he get mins on currently? He was drafted as a 19 year old RAW developmental prospect, but since this front office took a page out of the Mitch playbook -- they did nothing to address the depth issues we've had for 3 seasons now. I guess the answer is, they literally do not care about winning games this season because they plan to evaluate what they have, tank (that part they obviously won't admit) and figure out what they want to structure around LaMelo/Miller and Mark.

As a fan, I am tired of losing and we've already endured this many times without ever having the gratification of winning or being an actual playoff team. It's depressing and makes it a chore to follow this team.

Also, super young teams generally do not win in the NBA. It's just a fact. Go back and look at the average age of teams who make and win a playoff series. Our 3 best players are like 21-23 and anyone older than that is basically unplayable, incredibly limited or Grant Williams (and hurt for the year).

This team will not go forward until the front office puts impact players on the roster that help support and balance the existing strengths, which are all finesse and length. That means we need someone who can get to the rim, create and play defense. We also need front court size (not just being tall, but size) and much better basketball IQ.

[yosemiteben]

I'm not coming back here. You wish.

If you are going to parachute into the board only to talk about Clingan (while weirdly simultaneously acting like you aren't on here posting), you will eventually find that you won't have a choice of whether you can come back.

I'm talking about Salaün here.

He looks like he doesn't belong on the floor out there.

Just my humble opinion.

His numbers look bad.

That's fine, don't parachute in to bring up Clingan and that won't be a problem.

[MasterIchiro]

If you are going to parachute into the board only to talk about Clingan (while weirdly simultaneously acting like you aren't on here posting), you will eventually find that you won't have a choice of whether you can come back.

I'm talking about Salaün here.

He looks like he doesn't belong on the floor out there.

Just my humble opinion.

His numbers look bad.

That's fine, don't parachute in to bring up Clingan and that won't be a problem.

Uh, check the tape and tell us all who brought up Clingan again? Oh yeah, it was Liver Pooty.

[Rich4114]

I'll bring up Clingan. He's who we should've drafted. But water under the bridge. Maybe by 2027 Saloon can be a solid player for us and we'll have a dependable C rotation.

[fatlever]

That had to have been the most disappointing game of the season for so many reasons.

Starting to feel like Grant Williams was the only one keeping this team from being a g league team.

Another weird game where statistically speaking and in terms of making an actual impact on the court Nick Richards and moose could not be further apart from each other. The Box Score says Nick had a great game. The Box Score says moose didn't do anything. My eyeballs saw that when moose came in the game everything changed and the energy went up five levels. We were finally defending with some purpose.


When are the injury Gods going to stop toying with us? 2 years straight of every time we get a core player back we lose a player to injury. It's beyond comical.

Vasa was just absolutely miserable last night. Right now he has exactly one useful NBA skill which is passing to big men on the pick and roll.

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[yosemiteben]

I'm talking about Salaün here.

He looks like he doesn't belong on the floor out there.

Just my humble opinion.

His numbers look bad.

That's fine, don't parachute in to bring up Clingan and that won't be a problem.

Uh, check the tape and tell us all who brought up Clingan again? Oh yeah, it was Liver Pooty.

Great, don't parachute in to bring up / discuss Clingan and we won't have a problem.