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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1301 » by Jcool0 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:50 pm

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Muzbar wrote:For Zach? 95% of Magic fans are against any trade for Zach, too much money, no defense yadda yadda.

I like the trade, but I don't think the Magic would do that trade, I don't think you're getting a young player plus a pick back for Zach.


1. No one cares what fans want

2. No FA that will help win a title is signing with Orlando

3. Jalen Suggs isn't a #3 on a title team.

4. Of the 8 players playing 20+ MPG for the Magic only one is over 25.

1. Thanks for you valued input, except you're a fan so I don't care.

2. Why not? They have a young core that's winning games plus there's no tax there.

3. Not sure why Jalen Suggs was mentioned, but no one claimed he was a #3....

4. I'm not sure what your point here is meant to be, maybe provide a bit more context.


So what you want teams polling fans before making trades? If 65% of the respondents approve this trade we will make it. Big time NBA free agents aren't going to go sign in Orlando. You sign for a bigger market or to play with friends. The point of Suggs was right now he is there #3. You aren't winning anything with him as a top 3 player. You have to get better and for Orlando that is either through the draft, but they are getting to good for that or taking a chance on someone like Lavine because if say Anthony Edwards is leaving Minnesota its not for a max deal in Orlando. You said "I don't think you're getting a young player plus a pick back for Zach" well all Orlando has is young players. So if they are trading they are getting a 25 and under guy.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1302 » by Chi town » Wed Dec 18, 2024 10:53 pm

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Chi town wrote:MPJ and Coby both fit well with the Magic.

Don’t think they will trade for Zach with Suggs at 30M and Banchero and Franz both at 40M+.

I don't think MPJ fits in Orlando at all. Where does he play? Both forward spots are occupied by long term pieces.


Banchero can and has played small ball C.
Franz can play SG. His length can defend 2s.
All three could play together.
Magic need shooting.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1303 » by Muzbar » Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:25 pm

Jcool0 wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
1. No one cares what fans want

2. No FA that will help win a title is signing with Orlando

3. Jalen Suggs isn't a #3 on a title team.

4. Of the 8 players playing 20+ MPG for the Magic only one is over 25.

1. Thanks for you valued input, except you're a fan so I don't care.

2. Why not? They have a young core that's winning games plus there's no tax there.

3. Not sure why Jalen Suggs was mentioned, but no one claimed he was a #3....

4. I'm not sure what your point here is meant to be, maybe provide a bit more context.


So what you want teams polling fans before making trades? If 65% of the respondents approve this trade we will make it. Big time NBA free agents aren't going to go sign in Orlando. You sign for a bigger market or to play with friends. The point of Suggs was right now he is there #3. You aren't winning anything with him as a top 3 player. You have to get better and for Orlando that is either through the draft, but they are getting to good for that or taking a chance on someone like Lavine because if say Anthony Edwards is leaving Minnesota its not for a max deal in Orlando. You said "I don't think you're getting a young player plus a pick back for Zach" well all Orlando has is young players. So if they are trading they are getting a 25 and under guy.

Oh so you meant TEAMS don't care what fans want, why didn't you say that? You said No one, that's rather vague.

I never said anything about teams polling fans on what moves to make, looks like you're just trying to put words into my mouth.

Why would Ant Edwards not want to sign with Orlando if he left? He'd be a young player joining a young core, a Edwards, Wagner and Banchero core would be elite.

Correct, I said I don't think you'd get a young player AND a pick back for Zach. Meaning you'd probably get one or the other and not both.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1304 » by Muzbar » Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:26 pm

Chi town wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
Chi town wrote:MPJ and Coby both fit well with the Magic.

Don’t think they will trade for Zach with Suggs at 30M and Banchero and Franz both at 40M+.

I don't think MPJ fits in Orlando at all. Where does he play? Both forward spots are occupied by long term pieces.


Banchero can and has played small ball C.
Franz can play SG. His length can defend 2s.
All three could play together.
Magic need shooting.

So are you starting Paolo at the 5 and Franz at the 2? Is MPJ coming off the bench?
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1305 » by jordanwilliams6 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:31 pm

Muzbar wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Muzbar wrote:I don't think MPJ fits in Orlando at all. Where does he play? Both forward spots are occupied by long term pieces.


Banchero can and has played small ball C.
Franz can play SG. His length can defend 2s.
All three could play together.
Magic need shooting.

So are you starting Paolo at the 5 and Franz at the 2? Is MPJ coming off the bench?

You could easily roll with Suggs/Wagner/MPJ/Paolo/Carter Jr. Suggs will always defend the best perimeter player.

KCP is a solid role player but you can easily replace him with a Lavine or MPJ type for more high volume shooting.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1306 » by Guru » Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:31 pm

I wish we got more info and rumors. Don;t get it because the people covering the team are whiny awful babies.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1307 » by Chi town » Wed Dec 18, 2024 11:50 pm

Muzbar wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Muzbar wrote:I don't think MPJ fits in Orlando at all. Where does he play? Both forward spots are occupied by long term pieces.


Banchero can and has played small ball C.
Franz can play SG. His length can defend 2s.
All three could play together.
Magic need shooting.

So are you starting Paolo at the 5 and Franz at the 2? Is MPJ coming off the bench?


I’d go Suggs Franz MPJ Paulo Goga. Probably close with KCP over Goga if you want to go small.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1308 » by Muzbar » Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:22 am

jordanwilliams6 wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Banchero can and has played small ball C.
Franz can play SG. His length can defend 2s.
All three could play together.
Magic need shooting.

So are you starting Paolo at the 5 and Franz at the 2? Is MPJ coming off the bench?

You could easily roll with Suggs/Wagner/MPJ/Paolo/Carter Jr. Suggs will always defend the best perimeter player.

KCP is a solid role player but you can easily replace him with a Lavine or MPJ type for more high volume shooting.

Can Wagner guard 2's? Thought he's more suited to 3/4.

I think Zach would actually be a better fit than MPJ personally.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1309 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:59 am

Muzbar wrote:
jordanwilliams6 wrote:
Muzbar wrote:So are you starting Paolo at the 5 and Franz at the 2? Is MPJ coming off the bench?

You could easily roll with Suggs/Wagner/MPJ/Paolo/Carter Jr. Suggs will always defend the best perimeter player.

KCP is a solid role player but you can easily replace him with a Lavine or MPJ type for more high volume shooting.

Can Wagner guard 2's? Thought he's more suited to 3/4.

I think Zach would actually be a better fit than MPJ personally.


I think Coby is the best fit IMO. They need high volume 3s and shot creation. MPJ doesn’t create.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1310 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:01 am

Strawther def has to be the target with DEN.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4432181/julian-strawther

Think he could be a high volume 3pt shooter on our team.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1311 » by Muzbar » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:04 am

Chi town wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
jordanwilliams6 wrote:You could easily roll with Suggs/Wagner/MPJ/Paolo/Carter Jr. Suggs will always defend the best perimeter player.

KCP is a solid role player but you can easily replace him with a Lavine or MPJ type for more high volume shooting.

Can Wagner guard 2's? Thought he's more suited to 3/4.

I think Zach would actually be a better fit than MPJ personally.


I think Coby is the best fit IMO. They need high volume 3s and shot creation. MPJ doesn’t create.

I agree Coby is also a good fit, easier to match his contract to. Coby for Cole and a FRP would be a pretty good deal.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1312 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:08 am

Muzbar wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Muzbar wrote:Can Wagner guard 2's? Thought he's more suited to 3/4.

I think Zach would actually be a better fit than MPJ personally.


I think Coby is the best fit IMO. They need high volume 3s and shot creation. MPJ doesn’t create.

I agree Coby is also a good fit, easier to match his contract to. Coby for Cole and a FRP would be a pretty good deal.


Cole is awful. I think when Coby goes on another hot streak he can get two 1sts. One in this draft and one in a future draft.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1313 » by Muzbar » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:23 am

Chi town wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
Chi town wrote:
I think Coby is the best fit IMO. They need high volume 3s and shot creation. MPJ doesn’t create.

I agree Coby is also a good fit, easier to match his contract to. Coby for Cole and a FRP would be a pretty good deal.


Cole is awful. I think when Coby goes on another hot streak he can get two 1sts. One in this draft and one in a future draft.

Cole is awful, hence the FRP.

I don't think anyone is going to pay up 2 FRPs for Coby.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1314 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:36 am

Muzbar wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Muzbar wrote:I agree Coby is also a good fit, easier to match his contract to. Coby for Cole and a FRP would be a pretty good deal.


Cole is awful. I think when Coby goes on another hot streak he can get two 1sts. One in this draft and one in a future draft.

Cole is awful, hence the FRP.

I don't think anyone is going to pay up 2 FRPs for Coby.


They will if we are taking on a bad contract like Cole.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1315 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:41 am

Pistons can take on 14M in a trade. Zach to DET or MPJ to DET.

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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1316 » by Muzbar » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:47 am

Chi town wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Cole is awful. I think when Coby goes on another hot streak he can get two 1sts. One in this draft and one in a future draft.

Cole is awful, hence the FRP.

I don't think anyone is going to pay up 2 FRPs for Coby.


They will if we are taking on a bad contract like Cole.

Eh, I don't know, I don't think Coby is '2 FRPs' good, I could see 1 FRP and probably a second, Cole Anthony's deal isn't THAT bad.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1317 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:55 am

https://www.youtube.com/live/a6glOI0d7Do?si=DcbmVKa28oCE3qYf

Interesting how national media guys are resigning how good Zach has been this year and how lots of the bad defender etc stigma is false.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1318 » by Chi town » Thu Dec 19, 2024 3:56 am

Muzbar wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Muzbar wrote:Cole is awful, hence the FRP.

I don't think anyone is going to pay up 2 FRPs for Coby.


They will if we are taking on a bad contract like Cole.

Eh, I don't know, I don't think Coby is '2 FRPs' good, I could see 1 FRP and probably a second, Cole Anthony's deal isn't THAT bad.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.


I agree when he’s cold like he has been.

When he’s cooking I disagree. I think he’s the perfect match for the Magic to help him defensively and get him lots of open 3s.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1319 » by Dez » Thu Dec 19, 2024 10:19 am

Chi town wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
Chi town wrote:
Cole is awful. I think when Coby goes on another hot streak he can get two 1sts. One in this draft and one in a future draft.

Cole is awful, hence the FRP.

I don't think anyone is going to pay up 2 FRPs for Coby.


They will if we are taking on a bad contract like Cole.

Nobody is giving two 1sts for Coby unless they are protected for years and then turn into 2nds like the Portland pick.

That is delusional.
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Re: Potential Zach Trade Partners? 24/25 Edition 

Post#1320 » by Rose2Boozer » Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:55 pm

Getting less talented and taking on more money in a Lavine deal is diabolical. Let the Nuggets keep MPJ and Nnaji.
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