Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

[HangTime]

The reality is Barnes needs to get better at:

-scoring at all three levels
-taking care of the ball (which includes not rifling passes to teammates two feet away or throwing it to guys in traffic/under the rim)
-knowing when to shoot and when to pass since he sometimes passes in shooting situations
-managing a game, which includes knowing when he has to be a scorer and not a distributor

He’s taken some great strides but there’s still a lot to work on. Most of these things will come with more reps on the court, but the scoring will require a couple more offseasons of serious work.

I'm generally really pleased with how he's looked this season. I also think his defensive presence is vastly underrated. But man, his situational awareness can be frustrating. He seems to always err on the side of what he thinks is "the right basketball play". I get that Davion (as an example) may be wide open for a 3, but you are stuck 6 with 2 minutes to go. He's wide open for a reason and it's your f'n team.....take charge.

Honestly I'd rather see him continue to make the right play. Eventually IQ will be back and he'll be sticking that shot more often than not.

This exactly the way I see it. Davion's presence is like the IQ placeholder, it's more about making things difficult for the other 4 on the court, on purpose.

The lack of spacing is to help his overall development.

When IQ returns it should open up the scoring and passing lanes.

[Scase]

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At 2:38, I love that, it wasn't a smooth finish imo, but we needs way more of that type of move from him.

He basically needs to pop that type of move at any time, and much more frequent.

At 3:30 I like the idea, but the execution needs work, nice 3 but Luka barely moved. I'd like to see a pull up middy there.

All in all, I wasn't really impressed too much with the assists I saw for the most part. A lot just seemed like it was hand offs to Yak.

That first move is why I want him focusing on the mid range game more, he's got the size to shoot over anyone.

As for his assists, not everything can be a highlight pass, but the ones where he fed Jak he drew 2 defenders and got him space for the shot. Not a sexy pass but you need gravity to pull it off.

[Vampirate]

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At 2:38, I love that, it wasn't a smooth finish imo, but we needs way more of that type of move from him.

He basically needs to pop that type of move at any time, and much more frequent.

At 3:30 I like the idea, but the execution needs work, nice 3 but Luka barely moved. I'd like to see a pull up middy there.

All in all, I wasn't really impressed too much with the assists I saw for the most part. A lot just seemed like it was hand offs to Yak.

That first move is why I want him focusing on the mid range game more, he's got the size to shoot over anyone.

As for his assists, not everything can be a highlight pass, but the ones where he fed Jak he drew 2 defenders and got him space for the shot. Not a sexy pass but you need gravity to pull it off.

What I really don't like is him being so damn close to Yak on some of the passes.

I want to to try and draw his defenders (especially a double) away from the paint, then either go for a pull up middy, 3 or pass over the defense.

[Scase]

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At 2:38, I love that, it wasn't a smooth finish imo, but we needs way more of that type of move from him.

He basically needs to pop that type of move at any time, and much more frequent.

At 3:30 I like the idea, but the execution needs work, nice 3 but Luka barely moved. I'd like to see a pull up middy there.

All in all, I wasn't really impressed too much with the assists I saw for the most part. A lot just seemed like it was hand offs to Yak.

That first move is why I want him focusing on the mid range game more, he's got the size to shoot over anyone.

As for his assists, not everything can be a highlight pass, but the ones where he fed Jak he drew 2 defenders and got him space for the shot. Not a sexy pass but you need gravity to pull it off.

What I really don't like is him being so damn close to Yak on some of the passes.

I want to to try and draw his defenders (especially a double) away from the paint, then either go for a pull up middy, 3 or pass over the defense.

I know what you mean, but sometimes just a little bit of space is enough to get the shot off. It becomes easier when the centre has more range though, another reason why Scottie needs a better mid range game, it just opens up the floor.

[RoteSchroder]

Exactly. It just comes down to blatant ignorance and homerism (which is actually odd because it’s just for Scottie).

I wonder if Scase knows how many players have averaged a triple double. Two players in NBA history? The fact he thinks Scottie would average one is absolutely absurd.

To be fair, he's averaging 22/9/9 as the starting PG in 9 games since returning from his eye injury, pretty close. He seems to be showing further growth in his game after shaking off the rust of returning from the injury that ended his 2023-24 season, on top of dealing with an eye injury early this season.

Yeah, I have no idea how this is such a wild take, he's literally off by a rebound and an assist. Not to mention I'm not suggesting he is going to average it for the entire year, but rather what we've been seeing thus far. Even taking into account the entire YTD, he's putting up 21/9/8, must be homerism.

I'm sure everyone said the same thing when Russ was about to do it, and then did it multiple times. Same way I'm sure it would be impossible for a 7ft player to be averaging a trip dub either, oh what's that? There's one right now averaging 32/13/10?

Sure is a good thing it's only been done twice before.

A triple double is possible, but if he's getting 10 AST/game, it'll likely be under circumstances we don't really want to be in. I'd prefer having a dynamic guard that can penetrate and weave through defenses, which we currently don't have. RWB had a few years of 34 to 41.7 USG%. A lot of Scottie's value is in his two way ability, so I wouldn't want him wasting too much energy with Doncic-like ball dominance on O.

[manjusaka]

The reality is Barnes needs to get better at:

-scoring at all three levels
-taking care of the ball (which includes not rifling passes to teammates two feet away or throwing it to guys in traffic/under the rim)
-knowing when to shoot and when to pass since he sometimes passes in shooting situations
-managing a game, which includes knowing when he has to be a scorer and not a distributor

He’s taken some great strides but there’s still a lot to work on. Most of these things will come with more reps on the court, but the scoring will require a couple more offseasons of serious work.

I think he wants to be a point guard from the get go but didn’t have much opportunity. He actually go to the college which allows him to play pg even it required him coming off the bench. In high school and national team he was blocked by Cade. Reading the defence and controlling the game is an area he needs the game action for the development.

Finger, eye and now ankle. They are all accidental injuries. Don’t know if there is a way to avoid this, but I really want to see him on the court to gain reps.

[Scase]

The reality is Barnes needs to get better at:

-scoring at all three levels
-taking care of the ball (which includes not rifling passes to teammates two feet away or throwing it to guys in traffic/under the rim)
-knowing when to shoot and when to pass since he sometimes passes in shooting situations
-managing a game, which includes knowing when he has to be a scorer and not a distributor

He’s taken some great strides but there’s still a lot to work on. Most of these things will come with more reps on the court, but the scoring will require a couple more offseasons of serious work.

I think he wants to be a point guard from the get go but didn’t have much opportunity. He actually go to the college which allows him to play pg even it required him coming off the bench. In high school and national team he was blocked by Cade. Reading the defence and controlling the game is an area he needs the game action for the development.

Finger, eye and now ankle. They are all accidental injuries. Don’t know if there is a way to avoid this, but I really want to see him on the court to gain reps.

Scottie is OG 2.0 with this

[Sidthekid87]

I'd like to see him not be battling with centers in the paint every damn possession. He's now suffered injuries from Embiid, jokic and Kat. I love his effort, but he's gotta be mindful and less careless down there with the big boys.

[Madhouse]

I guess those are learning experiences, hopefully back soon. He needs the games to improve.

[manjusaka]

Trying to jump over KAT from the back is a bad play, it is going to be a foul. I get Scottie was trying to be aggressive. But this decision making may need some review. I am still advocating to get someone like Dort or OG replacement to off load some defensive responsibilities from Scottie. Agbaji is a bit short to handle the job. Currently we are loaded with SG and SF, still desperately need some size.

[Appostis]

You still see some people saying the guy is a overpay...*head shake*

Christ some people just aren't bright.

[720]

That first move is why I want him focusing on the mid range game more, he's got the size to shoot over anyone.

As for his assists, not everything can be a highlight pass, but the ones where he fed Jak he drew 2 defenders and got him space for the shot. Not a sexy pass but you need gravity to pull it off.

What I really don't like is him being so damn close to Yak on some of the passes.

I want to to try and draw his defenders (especially a double) away from the paint, then either go for a pull up middy, 3 or pass over the defense.

I know what you mean, but sometimes just a little bit of space is enough to get the shot off. It becomes easier when the centre has more range though, another reason why Scottie needs a better mid range game, it just opens up the floor.

Poeltl just isn’t the right kind of center to have start around Scottie (or most modern offenses).

[Indeed]

What I really don't like is him being so damn close to Yak on some of the passes.

I want to to try and draw his defenders (especially a double) away from the paint, then either go for a pull up middy, 3 or pass over the defense.

I know what you mean, but sometimes just a little bit of space is enough to get the shot off. It becomes easier when the centre has more range though, another reason why Scottie needs a better mid range game, it just opens up the floor.

Poeltl just isn’t the right kind of center to have start around Scottie (or most modern offenses).

Maybe you didnt even watch the game?
We had 2 lineup last game with all shooters (Olynky is the C), and the half court offense has nothing much produced by Barnes. Cant get him the ball in the post.

What other excuse people want? We need the other 4 guys to be max player?

[720]

I know what you mean, but sometimes just a little bit of space is enough to get the shot off. It becomes easier when the centre has more range though, another reason why Scottie needs a better mid range game, it just opens up the floor.

Poeltl just isn’t the right kind of center to have start around Scottie (or most modern offenses).

Maybe you didnt even watch the game?
We had 2 lineup last game with all shooters (Olynky is the C), and the half court offense has nothing much produced by Barnes. Cant get him the ball in the post.

What other excuse people want? We need the other 4 guys to be max player?

Olynyk is old and washed. Regarding Poeltl, in the modern NBA you would like your centre to be able to space the floor and hit shots or at least be an elite rim protector, when he’s neither it’s not optimal.

[Indeed]

Poeltl just isn’t the right kind of center to have start around Scottie (or most modern offenses).

Maybe you didnt even watch the game?
We had 2 lineup last game with all shooters (Olynky is the C), and the half court offense has nothing much produced by Barnes. Cant get him the ball in the post.

What other excuse people want? We need the other 4 guys to be max player?

Olynyk is old and washed. Regarding Poeltl, in the modern NBA you would like your centre to be able to space the floor and hit shots or at least be an elite rim protector, when he’s neither it’s not optimal.

Maybe 1 game sample size isn't big against the Nets, and probably the coaching staff can improve that, but I am unsure Barnes can pair other type of C effectively without the C shooting the ball well. Adding the need of an elite rim protector who has the ability to shoot and pass, you are pretty much looking for an All-Star C in order for him to be effective.

We shall see for another few games if Barnes can be dominating the paint with Olynyk and 3 of Boucher/Agbaji/Dick/Battle/Walter, but that is all shooter lineup that he got to put up efficient numbers.

[720]

Maybe you didnt even watch the game?
We had 2 lineup last game with all shooters (Olynky is the C), and the half court offense has nothing much produced by Barnes. Cant get him the ball in the post.

What other excuse people want? We need the other 4 guys to be max player?

Olynyk is old and washed. Regarding Poeltl, in the modern NBA you would like your centre to be able to space the floor and hit shots or at least be an elite rim protector, when he’s neither it’s not optimal.

Maybe 1 game sample size isn't big against the Nets, and probably the coaching staff can improve that, but I am unsure Barnes can pair other type of C effectively without the C shooting the ball well. Adding the need of an elite rim protector who has the ability to shoot and pass, you are pretty much looking for an All-Star C in order for him to be effective.

We shall see for another few games if Barnes can be dominating the paint with Olynyk and 3 of Boucher/Agbaji/Dick/Battle/Walter, but that is all shooter lineup that he got to put up efficient numbers.

No I’m saying the centre should be an elite rim protector OR be able to shoot and space the floor. Poeltl is neither, he can’t space the floor and he isn’t an elite rim protector.

[LoveMyRaps]

Re-draft:

1. Cade
2. Wagner
3. Mobley
4. Barnes
5. Sengun

[Psubs]

Why is Shottie taking soooooo many 3's?

[Appostis]

Re-draft:

1. Cade
2. Wagner
3. Mobley
4. Barnes
5. Sengun

No man.

[TheAlchemist23]

Re-draft:

1. Cade
2. Wagner
3. Mobley
4. Barnes
5. Sengun

"And they said Barnes is better than us"