Charles in Charge: The Charles Lee Thread

[KembaWalker]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Lee is a new coach and is figuring it out, but I'm hugely impressed with how we had league worst DRTG and DRB% to start the season, then essentially switched to having top 10 DRTG and league best DRB% without any infusion of talent. That shows me that he can recognize issues and can scheme around it.

I am bothered less by our offensive performance because I think a lot of our struggles tie to folks trying to get comfortable with his system.

this is the same small noise like "best defense of all time with Diabate in the lineup and worst all time without" stuff that you see floating around twitter

We were dead last in DRB%, then Miles and Nick got hurt, and since then we are best in the league, and in our last 8 games the gap between us and the 2nd best DRB% team is as large as the gap between the 2nd and 10th best teams.

I don't know why you are minimizing that reality, but it is objectively very impressive.

at the end of the season we will be floating around 20-25th in ORTG and DRTG like we are now, worse if the injuries start hitting again.

On the season our DRTG is 19th. In the month of November our DRTG is 14th.

I am very confused as to why you are seemingly arbitrarily projecting that we're going to regress defensively.

I don't really see the point in looking at league rankings this early in the season, especially not a partial month with 1 game against the western conference in a season when the conferences are this heavily unbalanced. We're playing in the JV league right now, the numbers aren't even apples to apples. You'll see where we are at in Feb

[SWedd523]

I wonder if the year over year rankings were worse, you'd be more willing to use them as an argument piece

[fatlever]

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I need this shirt

[Walt Cronkite]

Was gonna say, awesome shirt. Looks like it was made by homage but only available now second hand with listings on eBay and poshmark.

[EmpireFalls]

He said WHAT about Salaun?

[Rich4114]

If that clip wasn't of the head coach of the Charlotte Hornets, I would've interpreted it as sarcastic

[EmpireFalls]

His “offense” makes me want to claw my eyes out. I don’t know what they work on in practice but it seems to be an even less inventive system than Cliff.

I’m well aware of the talent issues but Borrego had us doing way more. Look at Fernandez with the Nets. Those guys coach actual offensive basketball. Lee coaches a pop and shoot 3 point contest.

[Robot Rock]

Tank Commander: The Charles Lee Thread

[fatlever]

His “offense” makes me want to claw my eyes out. I don’t know what they work on in practice but it seems to be an even less inventive system than Cliff.

I’m well aware of the talent issues but Borrego had us doing way more. Look at Fernandez with the Nets. Those guys coach actual offensive basketball. Lee coaches a pop and shoot 3 point contest.

The system is: let Melo do whatever he wants. End of system. Melo out? = no system.

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[Robot Rock]

It'll be interesting to see where the team goes after Taj Gibson called that players-only meeting. Bounce back, and there's a chance here. Lose to Washington again and get rolled by everyone else, and there's a chance Charles Lee lasts as long as Sam Vincent.

[SWedd523]

During his presser, Miles said Lee came in and said (paraphrasing) if you don't want to put in effort and play defense, you won't get PT.

Interested to see if the players GAF or if they continue playing like it's EYBL with better pay.

For all the talk of building culture, they sure haven't done much to build any.

[KembaWalker]

It’s not even worth bashing Lee anymore. He’s very clearly in over his head, knows very little about tactical basketball, has lost the locker room to the point where the players would prefer to exclude him.

I kind of feel bad for him because it’s not like the roster doesn’t suck too. In the spirit of Christmas I won’t continue to bash him on this board for a while after this post. My opinion of him won’t change anytime soon, I think he’s the worst coach I’ve seen since Dunlap but whatever. The stupid self improvement mantras were taken seriously for about a month, just like they will be for everyone who implements them in their New Year’s resolutions next week. Very obvious that was going to be the outcome

Back to your regularly scheduled coping

[Robot Rock]

I think he’s the worst coach I’ve seen since Dunlap

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing here but it's worth noting Dunlap and Lee both took about two months to go from seven wins to eight in a season.

[JDR720]

90% of Lee's problem is he's trying to force the team into a Boston-style offense when we don't have those types of players. Melo fits it fine, but Miller is a midrange scorer and Miles is a cutter/slasher. We also don't have any stretch bigs (that are actually big). And yet, we take about half our shots from 3.

[JDR720]

Our FG% as a team is 42.9%. That's 1% better than Kemba's career average.

The best shooting non-big on the team is Curry and Martin at 44%.

Miller is at 40%. Melo is at 42%. Miles is at 42%.

Melo's career average is the same, but Miller/Brandon are both 4-5% below their career averages because all they do is shoot three's.

[JMAC3]

Our FG% as a team is 42.9%. That's 1% better than Kemba's career average.

The best shooting non-big on the team is Curry and Martin at 44%.

Miller is at 40%. Melo is at 42%. Miles is at 42%.

Melo's career average is the same, but Miller/Brandon are both 4-5% below their career averages because all they do is shoot three's.

Looking at FG% is going to be pointless looking at a team that shoots as many threes as we do. You have to look efg% which I think is still mostly bad, but that is going to give you a more true side by side of how we compare against the league.

[JDR720]

Our FG% as a team is 42.9%. That's 1% better than Kemba's career average.

The best shooting non-big on the team is Curry and Martin at 44%.

Miller is at 40%. Melo is at 42%. Miles is at 42%.

Melo's career average is the same, but Miller/Brandon are both 4-5% below their career averages because all they do is shoot three's.

Looking at FG% is going to be pointless looking at a team that shoots as many threes as we do. You have to look efg% which I think is still mostly bad, but that is going to give you a more true side by side of how we compare against the league.

Raw FG% is still important because in order to get momentum and rhythm, you need to make shots.

We have the 3rd worst FG% in the league, only better than the 76ers and Pelicans. Our 3pt% is 20th.

Our offense is non-functional. We see it almost every game.

[fatlever]

During his presser, Miles said Lee came in and said (paraphrasing) if you don't want to put in effort and play defense, you won't get PT.

Interested to see if the players GAF or if they continue playing like it's EYBL with better pay.

For all the talk of building culture, they sure haven't done much to build any.

If he means business then moose starts the next game and plays 40 minutes. I'm only half joking.

I can't say I'm terribly impressed with Lee yet. All that good stuff we saw in summer league and preseason of us playing with intensity was encouraging. Only for it to fall right back to where it's been under now three straight head coaches. The common denominator is melo and miles, the two guys making the most money on the team.

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[SWedd523]

During his presser, Miles said Lee came in and said (paraphrasing) if you don't want to put in effort and play defense, you won't get PT.

Interested to see if the players GAF or if they continue playing like it's EYBL with better pay.

For all the talk of building culture, they sure haven't done much to build any.

If he means business then moose starts the next game and plays 40 minutes. I'm only half joking.

I can't say I'm terribly impressed with Lee yet. All that good stuff we saw in summer league and preseason of us playing with intensity was encouraging. Only for it to fall right back to where it's been under now three straight head coaches. The common denominator is melo and miles, the two guys making the most money on the team.

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I think another point of note in Miles presser was the acknowledgement that they've lost a lot recently and guys are losing their minds trying to get buckets instead of sticking to the game plan

so either they're tuning Lee out or this roster is rotten and needs big changes

[KembaWalker]

My prediction earlier up on this page of our team finishing 20-25th in drtg and ortg and needing to wait until Feb to see the true drop off of this team turned out to be wildly optimistic sadly. We are trending closer to 25-30 in both by then.

Craziest part was that I’m pretty sure I wasn’t even factoring Mark Williams return into those predictions