Christmas Day 2024 Draft - R1 - wackbone vs Dr Positivity*

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Christmas Day 2024 Draft - R1 - wackbone vs Dr Positivity* 

Post#1 » by durantbird » Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:10 pm

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Re: Christmas Day 2024 Draft - R1 - wackbone vs Dr Positivity 

Post#2 » by wackbone » Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:48 pm

Anthony Edwards - 2024 - 19.7 FGA - 35.7 3P% on 6.7 att
Shaquille O'Neal - 2001 - 19.2 FGA
Klay Thompson - 2018 - 16.2 FGA - 44.0 3P% on 7.1 att
Naz Reid - 2024 - 10.5 FGA - 6MOY, 41.4 3P% on 5.0 att
Jason Kidd - 2010 - 8.4 FGA - All-Star, 42.5 3P% on 5.2 att
James Posey - 2008 - 5.6 FGA - 38.0 3P% on 3.8 att
Devin Harris - 2005 - 4.8 FGA - 14.7 PER, .111 WS/48, 1.9 BPM
Matisse Thybulle - 2023 - 3.6 FGA - 36.5% on 2.1 att

Total: 88/88 FGA

Jason Kidd (36) / Devin Harris (12)
Anthony Edwards (38) / Matisse Thybulle (10)
Klay Thompson (38) / Matisse Thybulle (10)
James Posey (28) / Naz Reid (20)
Shaquille O'Neal (38) / Naz Reid (10)

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Helluva team as always Dr. P, best of luck.

Defensively we will start with Kidd on Nash, Edwards on Wiggins, Klay on LeBron, Posey on Love, and Shaq on Dikembe. Will also have a lot of Posey/Thybulle on LeBron and Reid on Love.

Dr. P has a pretty big team, with 22 Wiggins at the 2, 20 LeBron at the 3, then Love, Williams, Powell, and Dikembe down low. So I know my defense doesn't match up great physically. That being said I have several elite defenders and I don't think his offense is a perfect fit. I really like Nash+LeBron, but then you have another ball-handler in Billups and a big man in Dikembe who quite frankly has no place in the lineup offensively. Shaq will stay near the rim at all times and can freely help off of Dikembe to defend any drives to the basket. And again I have a lot of good-elite perimeter defenders (Kidd, Thybulle, Klay, Posey) as well as ANT who has all the physical tools to ratchet up his defense in big games.

Offensively Kidd is our primary ball handler but ANT will also see significant time on-ball. Imagine the early 2000s Lakers with ANT in place of Kobe, but then we have 2010 Kidd in place of early 2000s Fisher, Klay in place of Fox, Posey in place of 35-year-old Grant, and 6MOY Reid in place of Horry. Nash has no where to hide defensively and we've surrounded the ANT+Shaq pairing with absolutely elite shooting (3 guys at +41 3P% on +5 3PA, plus a few others as threats), giving them ample space to operate.
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Re: Christmas Day 2024 Draft - R1 - wackbone vs Dr Positivity 

Post#3 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Dec 22, 2024 7:37 pm

PG: Steve Nash (2005: 11.4 FGA)
SG: Andrew Wiggins (2022: 14.0 FGA)
SF: Lebron James (2020: 19.4 FGA)
PF: Kevin Love (2011: 14.1 FGA)
C: Dikembe Mutombo (2002: 8.0 FGA)

PG/SG: Chauncey Billups (2009: 12.4 FGA)
SF/PF: Grant Williams (2022: 5.6 FGA)
C: Dwight Powell (2024: 1.7 FGA = 3.0)

87.9 / 88

PG: Steve Nash (38) / Chauncey Billups (10)
SG: Andrew Wiggins (32) / Chauncey Billups (16)
SF: Lebron James (38) / Andrew Wiggins (6) / Grant Williams (4)
PF: Kevin Love (36) / Grant Williams (12)
C: Dikembo Mutombo (38) / Dwight Powell (8) / Kevin Love (2)

GL wackbone

Defensive matchups: Nash on Kidd, Wiggins on Edwards, Lebron on Klay, Love on Posey, Mutombo on Shaq

- We have the more talented team with 2 of the 3 best players pretty clearly in Lebron and Nash, while with it being Mavs Kidd there's a lot of pressure on Edwards to be Kobe.

- While Lebron guarding Klay isn't the best I think get the best of the matchup as his SF/PF is too small for Lebron and Love, I believe a key to the Cavs success was you couldn't downsize against them with both Lebron and Love ability to post up. Wiggins can do a good job on Edwards and Mutombo on Shaq.

- We have the overall deeper team as his bottom 4 is Posey, Reid, 05 Harris and Thybulle while I have a stronger 5th starter in Wiggins, Billups as 6th man, Williams is a credible 7th and Powell is playable for 8 minutes and easier to hide than 20 minutes of Thybulle.
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Re: Christmas Day 2024 Draft - R1 - wackbone vs Dr Positivity 

Post#4 » by durantbird » Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:04 pm

I prefer Kidd Edwards Klay Shaq as the leading core. Seems like a higher ceiling and more complementary, and Shaq is the best player with this being Lakers LeBron. wackbone has some issues defensively, but older LeBron on Klay isn't ideal as well. Billups is the best bench piece but kind of an odd fit.

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Re: Christmas Day 2024 Draft - R1 - wackbone vs Dr Positivity 

Post#5 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:06 pm

It seems like matchups in these pairs drafts often come down to how well the two teams were able to fill out the back ends of their rosters. In particular, you often end up with some pretty shaky backup guards, and that's the case here with wack rolling out 32 combined minutes of Thybulle and rookie Harris, while Dr P has the luxury of using Billups to run his second unit. There are also some matchup issues as early career Love would brutalise Posey on the offensive glass, and Klay to my recollection has never been a great primary defender for LeBron, but it's really the depth factor that decides this for me.

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Re: Christmas Day 2024 Draft - R1 - wackbone vs Dr Positivity 

Post#6 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Dec 24, 2024 2:10 am

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Re: Christmas Day 2024 Draft - R1 - wackbone vs Dr Positivity 

Post#7 » by durantbird » Tue Dec 24, 2024 6:17 am

ChatGPT vote Dr Positivity

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This matchup comes down to key strengths, defensive schemes, and how well each team can exploit mismatches.

Strengths of Wackbone's Team:

1. Shaquille O'Neal's Dominance: 2001 Shaq was an unstoppable force offensively and could exploit Dikembe Mutombo, despite Dikembe's defensive prowess. Shaq’s ability to collapse defenses opens up the perimeter for elite shooters like Klay Thompson and Naz Reid.


2. Shooting: Surrounding Shaq and Edwards with sharpshooters (Klay, Kidd, Posey, Reid) ensures maximum spacing. This could give Anthony Edwards and Shaq a lot of room to operate.


3. Defensive Versatility: Kidd, Klay, Posey, and Thybulle form a strong defensive core to handle perimeter threats. While Edwards isn’t elite defensively, his physical tools make him a potential disruptor.


4. Rebounding: With Shaq and Reid on the floor, second-chance opportunities could tilt possessions in their favor.



Strengths of Dr. P's Team:

1. Playmaking and Ball Movement: Nash and LeBron together form one of the most dynamic playmaking duos imaginable. Their ability to find shooters and cutters, combined with high basketball IQ, makes this offense lethal in transition and half-court.


2. Matchup Issues: LeBron at SF and Love at PF create mismatches. LeBron can bully smaller defenders like Posey and Reid, while Love can stretch Shaq or Reid out to the perimeter.


3. Depth: Dr. P has stronger bench contributors in Billups (a starting-caliber guard), Wiggins, and Grant Williams compared to Wackbone’s Harris, Reid, and Thybulle.


4. Defensive Assignments: Wiggins on Edwards and Mutombo on Shaq are logical matchups that limit Wackbone’s two most critical players.




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Key Matchups:

Shaq vs. Mutombo: While Dikembe is an elite rim protector, prime Shaq's physical dominance cannot be fully neutralized. However, Mutombo will make Shaq work for his points.

LeBron vs. Posey: Posey and Thybulle are good defenders, but LeBron’s versatility and playmaking ability are unmatched. He could feast on mismatches and create for others.

Edwards vs. Wiggins: Edwards needs to step up as a primary scorer in this series. Wiggins’ defensive ability makes this a challenging matchup for Edwards, though Edwards’ athleticism could help him find moments to shine.



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Offensive Styles:

Wackbone: Shaq as the focal point with Edwards and Klay providing secondary scoring. Elite shooting creates space, and Kidd runs the offense efficiently.

Dr. P: A balanced attack led by Nash and LeBron. Wiggins and Love are versatile scoring options, while Mutombo focuses on defense and rebounding. Billups provides a significant scoring punch off the bench.



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Potential Weaknesses:

Wackbone's Team:

Reliance on Shaq and Edwards for consistent scoring. If either is slowed down, it could cause problems.

Defensive mismatch issues with Posey or Reid on LeBron and Love.

Depth concerns compared to Dr. P’s bench.


Dr. P's Team:

Mutombo's offensive limitations could allow Shaq to help on others.

Love might struggle defensively against Shaq or Reid on switches.

Nash’s defense on Kidd could be exploited, particularly with Kidd’s size advantage.




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Verdict:

The series is extremely close, but Dr. P's team holds a slight edge. Here’s why:

1. LeBron and Nash’s Playmaking: Their ability to create efficient offense for themselves and others is unmatched.


2. Depth Advantage: Billups and Wiggins off the bench provide more quality minutes than Wackbone's bottom rotation players.


3. Mismatch Exploitation: LeBron and Love are hard to counter for Wackbone’s defensive lineup.



Dr. P in 7 games, but it’s a grueling, tightly contested series. Shaq's dominance keeps Wackbone competitive, but ultimately, Dr. P's team has better balance and adaptability.
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Re: Christmas Day 2024 Draft - R1 - wackbone vs Dr Positivity 

Post#8 » by Snakebites » Tue Dec 24, 2024 8:57 pm

These teams are rough to judge- they’re two really strong groups that I think fit in the starting lineup very well. Two of the best I think.

I give Wack a mild edge in the starting lineup but that bench is rough, I think too much is being asked of older Kidd and Edwards here.

Dr P feels more balanced.

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Re: Christmas Day 2024 Draft - R1 - wackbone vs Dr Positivity 

Post#9 » by durantbird » Tue Dec 24, 2024 9:10 pm

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