Charles in Charge: The Charles Lee Thread

SWedd523 · Post #261 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 2:53 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Lee wasn’t even some big get, dudes been interviewing for jobs for years. Anyone in the league could have had him.

Mike Brown would be a massive upgrade and while he wouldn’t salvage this season he could maybe salvage this year as a complete developmental backslide for Melo and Brandon and get them back on a positive trajectory

didn't you say you were done trashing Lee? lol

KembaWalker · Post #262 » by **KembaWalker** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:09 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Lee wasn’t even some big get, dudes been interviewing for jobs for years. Anyone in the league could have had him.

Mike Brown would be a massive upgrade and while he wouldn’t salvage this season he could maybe salvage this year as a complete developmental backslide for Melo and Brandon and get them back on a positive trajectory

didn't you say you were done trashing Lee? lol

I forgot...maybe I’ll make not trashing Lee a New Year’s resolution. Tonight’s gonna be too good an opportunity to pass up

Post #263 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:10 pm

The new owners and the new first time FO are not firing the first time head coach they picked 30 games into his first season.

EmpireFalls · Post #264 » by **EmpireFalls** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:13 pm

I think Jeff is more to blame than Lee.

SWedd523 · Post #265 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:34 pm

KembaWalker wrote:
SWedd523 wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:Lee wasn’t even some big get, dudes been interviewing for jobs for years. Anyone in the league could have had him.

Mike Brown would be a massive upgrade and while he wouldn’t salvage this season he could maybe salvage this year as a complete developmental backslide for Melo and Brandon and get them back on a positive trajectory

didn't you say you were done trashing Lee? lol

I forgot...maybe I’ll make not trashing Lee a New Year’s resolution. Tonight’s gonna be too good an opportunity to pass up

How very Charlotte Hornets of you

"Maybe next year"

Braggins · Post #266 » by **Braggins** » Sun Dec 29, 2024 12:04 pm

Jay Triano got snubbed for the interim job in Sacramento job. He shouldn't take that kind of disrepespect. Better come back to Charlotte as lead assistant and make the Hornets offense great again.

amcoolio · Post #267 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 5:42 am

Hate to break it to you but no different coach hire would have saved this. Coaching can only make things worse, but ultimately its on the players and roster. Spolestra could walk through that door and this team isn't winning more than 22 games

JMAC3 · Post #268 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:11 pm

amcoolio wrote:Hate to break it to you but no different coach hire would have saved this. Coaching can only make things worse, but ultimately its on the players and roster. Spolestra could walk through that door and this team isn't winning more than 22 games

I disagree with this pretty hard because that is saying Lee has had no impact on this team when he clearly has in our playstyle. When we have changed our offensive identity to be a team that fires a lot of threes, plays a large rotation, crashes the glass and play at the 5th slowest pace in the league.

Maybe no coach has us a contender, but I think we could be in the Bulls, Pistons, Kings level of win% under a different head coach potentially. I think we would be running a far more complex offense under Redick... the king of 2 man handoffs, running off screens and using shooters as screeners more... I think his style of play would have really really benefited Miller.

KembaWalker · Post #269 » by **KembaWalker** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:14 pm

BO7 series with our current team against Spoelstra running Duncan Robinson + a bunch of g leaguers, I'm not sure I'm putting money on us

MasterIchiro · Post #270 » by **MasterIchiro** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 9:11 pm

Why don't we consider offering Mike Brown? He took the Kings from lottery to 3 seed.

Thought it was weird Monk said the Kings became too predictable (paraphrasing).

More predictable than Lee?

Post #271 » by **fatlever** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:17 pm

Both things are true
No coach can win with this current team
Lee's "system" on offense is horrible.

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SWedd523 · Post #272 » by **SWedd523** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 10:22 pm

Is it Lee's system to play offense like a child on 2K?

I see him yelling and calling plays and sets and whatnot on the sideline. calling dudes over and talking to them

And then they just come down and do the same "Let it Rayyyn" **** they've been doing.

I refuse to believe he's drawing that crap up.

EmpireFalls · Post #273 » by **EmpireFalls** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 2:50 am

Who is more raw - Charles Lee the head coach or Tidjane Salaun the basketball player?

Salaun looks more prepared for NBA basketball.

This guy is nothing short of a joke recently. His sideline plays are laughable. His rotations and offensive system and the insistence on pull up 3s infuriating. I don’t know what he tells Micic to do offensively but it sucks. He has no courage or innovation with his lineups like Borrego did. He’s not even trying to develop the young guys. What is he doing???

MasterIchiro · Post #274 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 3:27 am

EmpireFalls wrote:Who is more raw - Charles Lee the head coach or Tidjane Salaun the basketball player?

Salaun looks more prepared for NBA basketball.

This guy is nothing short of a joke recently. His sideline plays are laughable. His rotations and offensive system and the insistence on pull up 3s infuriating. I don’t know what he tells Micic to do offensively but it sucks. He has no courage or innovation with his lineups like Borrego did. He’s not even trying to develop the young guys. What is he doing???

All of Borrego's foundation for a LaMelo ball-movement offense destroyed.

He improved every year and you never even gave him a chance to start building on the other end with an anchor like Mark Williams. Right before that draft. Man.

EmpireFalls · Post #275 » by **EmpireFalls** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:40 am

It’s looked as bad as it could possibly look 30 games in.

Robot Rock · Post #276 » by **Robot Rock** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 4:49 am

I look forward to the day Charles is not in Charge.

JMAC3 · Post #277 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:59 am

Here is an example of what I think would be good for Charlotte and get LaMelo off the ball more with him still being the main offensive option.

https://thehoopsgeek.com/play/FY5mCyE1dq

Basically Miller brings ball up, LaMelo in the corner. Miles sets a zoom screen for LaMelo coming out of the corner and Miller hits LaMelo on the curl cut as Bridges rolls to the rim off the screen for the potential lob. Or Melo can shoot the floater if he has the defender on his hip. or if Marks man steps up, LaMelo has the lob for him. That is option 1.

If LaMelo isn't open, he goes to the left block. Miller swings to Green, Mark sets a cross screen for LaMelo to see if he can get an easy layup on opposite block. If the defense switches then LaMelo should clear to the corner and Mark should have a mismatch on the block vs the guy that was guarding LaMelo, Green throws the ball down low. That is option 2.

If the Defense doesn't switch and LaMelo isn't open. He peels back and rescreens for Mark on a cross screen, again hoping for a switch for Mark on block. As soon as LaMelo screens Mark, Miller is setting a downscreen for LaMelo and Melo pops to the top of the key for a potential 3. That is option 3.

If nothing is there, then you have Melo at top of the key probably with sub 6 on the shotclock in a potential iso situation or calling Mark or Miles for a quick rescreen situation. That is option 4.

JMAC3 · Post #278 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:06 am

Quick adaptation that as soon Miller passes to LaMelo on the initial cut, he cuts towards Melo for the dribble handoff.
Miller might have a quick look for 3, LaMelo clears. If not Miles comes out of the corner to run an empty side PnR with him and Miller.

https://thehoopsgeek.com/play/gRI0JKj2Zu

JMAC3 · Post #279 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:17 am

Far from genius plays here, but I think the keys to improving the offense are having Miller handle the ball more as a playmaker. His 9 assists the other night vs Washington could be a good sign. Also, would like to see us run more plays where LaMelo, Miles and Miller are the 3 main guys in the action with Josh Green as the spacer on the other side of the floor.

Lastly, another iteration of this set could be as simple as when Miles sets the zoom screen for Melo. The defense switches immediately and Miles is now being guarded by LaMelos smaller defender, in that case LaMelo should clear to the opposite corner right away off the curl. Miles then establishes position 15 feet away and Miller throws him the ball for an isolation vs a point guard.

Lee tends to do a really bad job of creating mismatches for Miles vs smaller players. I don't think he is very good at recognizing things like that in real time. He is much better at drawing up very specific plays out of timeouts then adjusting mid shot clock.

JMAC3 · Post #280 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:30 am

https://thehoopsgeek.com/play/ggW4dM8IPw

Another one out of same set, where LaMelo cuts all the way to opposite wing on the Iverson cut, Green cuts baseline to fill opposite corner at same time. Miler get a flare screen from Miles for a potential throw over the top for LaMelo to find him for a 3. If not there, LaMelo runs screen and roll with Mark on the empty side of the floor.

Josh Green is in opposite corner the whole time, to either catch a pass from Miller post skip pass... or if Melo gets downhill on the screen from Mark, help is likely coming from corner to help on Mark and LaMelo has the baseline pass for a potential 3 for Josh.