Game 16: Packers at Vikings - 12/29/24 - 3:25 - FOX

[MickeyDavis]

Woof Edgerrin Cooper was awesome in the run game yesterday but in coverage he gave up 7 receptions on 7 targets for 91 yards and a TD.

Bullard gave up 6/6 for 72 yards and 2 TD

Numbers according to PFF

Tough day in coverage for the rookies

Hafley needs a way to figure something out about that. Or Hurts/Stafford/Goff will have a field day in the middle of the field.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Can someone explain to me how Minnesota only has two losses? If you didn't know their record and watched them play, would you ever guess they are a 2 loss team? They are balanced but nothing about them is overly impressive.

That's your takeaway after watching them yesterday? I thought they played great until maybe the second half of the 4th quarter and absolutely looked like a 2 loss team to me. They had us completely in jail on both sides of the ball for most of that game. You can't just wave that away and give them no credit for that.

[RubberSoul]

Flores is a hell of a coach because I don’t think the Vikings have elite defensive talent yet they are an elite defense. Hopefully Flores Johnson and Glenn all leave our division this offseason.


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[tski1972]

By what definition? They’ve literally had the 4th hardest schedule in the league.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/fpi/_/sort/fpi.avgsosrank/dir/asc

By the definition of when they’ve played teams. Yes, some of the teams on the schedule are considered strong opponents, but at the time the game was actually played it was favorable to the Packers.

Seven of their eleven wins are against teams with losing records. The Rams were 1-3 when we beat them and it was almost a home game in LA. Miami was at home in the cold. So really the Houston and Seattle games were really the only “pick ‘em” games they came out on top.

What are these excuses even? So just asterisk this loss then cuz the Vikings got us at the "right time" with Watson and 3 starters on defense all out with injury? We had to go 2-0 (technically 3-0) with our backup QB, had to play 3-game in 11-days, had to play on a dirt field in Brazil, etc., etc. We're now #2 in SoS and #4 in SRS. Trying to make the argument that we've had a favorable schedule is absurd.

You don’t think the strength of scheduled isn’t skewed because their 5 loses are to three teams with a combined 40-7 record?

[jimmybones]

Can someone explain to me how Minnesota only has two losses? If you didn't know their record and watched them play, would you ever guess they are a 2 loss team? They are balanced but nothing about them is overly impressive.

That's your takeaway after watching them yesterday? I thought they played great until maybe the second half of the 4th quarter and absolutely looked like a 2 loss team to me. They had us completely in jail on both sides of the ball for most of that game. You can't just wave that away and give them no credit for that.

Yes, that was my takeaway. I thought we looked disappointing more than them looking impressive. One obviously impacts the other but that's my opinion.

I agree that they are well coached but outside of Justin Jefferson being really good, I don't get it personnel wise. Every year there are a few teams that are clearly the teams to go through in a conference and I can see it with Philly and Detroit but I just can't see Minnesota in that intimidating, two loss, clearly a team to beat category.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Can someone explain to me how Minnesota only has two losses? If you didn't know their record and watched them play, would you ever guess they are a 2 loss team? They are balanced but nothing about them is overly impressive.

That's your takeaway after watching them yesterday? I thought they played great until maybe the second half of the 4th quarter and absolutely looked like a 2 loss team to me. They had us completely in jail on both sides of the ball for most of that game. You can't just wave that away and give them no credit for that.

Yes, that was my takeaway. I thought we looked disappointing more than them looking impressive. One obviously impacts the other but that's my opinion.

I agree that they are well coached but outside of Justin Jefferson being really good, I don't get it personnel wise. Every year there are a few teams that are clearly the teams to go through in a conference and I can see it with Philly and Detroit but I just can't see Minnesota in that intimidating, two loss, clearly a team to beat category.

So your argument is that strictly on paper their personnel isn't as impressive so that discounts what actually happened on the field? We made some mistakes of course but they ate our lunch in that game I don't know how you can argue otherwise. They've been every bit as good against us as the Lions or Eagles, in my opinion arguably better against us than any other team has been facing us in large stretches of these games.

[humanrefutation]

I thought LaFluer made a mistake not going for it in the first quarter. You have to step up and win these kinds of games. I'm tired of Packers teams that fall just short. We have never seemed to learn our lesson. You have to go for it anytime within reason when you're on the road against a contender. You either trust your guys to complete a 4 yard play or you don't. And if you don't, you won't win anything anyway.

I firmly believe the Packers can beat the Lions/Vikings/Eagles. They were effectively a possession away from beating all three of them.

But settling for field goals deep in their territory with a reasonable down-and-distance won't get it done. You have to put the pressure on them, especially knowing that they have dynamic offenses that will cause your defense problems.

(And to anyone who points to the turnover on downs when they did go for it, the Vikings had the ball and likely would have been able to win it on that last possession even if we settled for the points. LaFluer made the right call going for it there, and I'll take failing on that over settling for the points every single time in these situations. Process over results.)

[M-C-G]

Woof Edgerrin Cooper was awesome in the run game yesterday but in coverage he gave up 7 receptions on 7 targets for 91 yards and a TD.

Bullard gave up 6/6 for 72 yards and 2 TD

Numbers according to PFF

Tough day in coverage for the rookies

Hafley needs a way to figure something out about that. Or Hurts/Stafford/Goff will have a field day in the middle of the field.

It’s the system to take away the outside and deep. I’m not sure if we are the worst to TE and slot WR but that is soft spot in the scheme.

[jimmybones]

That's your takeaway after watching them yesterday? I thought they played great until maybe the second half of the 4th quarter and absolutely looked like a 2 loss team to me. They had us completely in jail on both sides of the ball for most of that game. You can't just wave that away and give them no credit for that.

Yes, that was my takeaway. I thought we looked disappointing more than them looking impressive. One obviously impacts the other but that's my opinion.

I agree that they are well coached but outside of Justin Jefferson being really good, I don't get it personnel wise. Every year there are a few teams that are clearly the teams to go through in a conference and I can see it with Philly and Detroit but I just can't see Minnesota in that intimidating, two loss, clearly a team to beat category.

So your argument is that strictly on paper their personnel isn't as impressive so that discounts what actually happened on the field? We made some mistakes of course but they ate our lunch in that game I don't know how you can argue otherwise. They've been every bit as good against us as the Lions or Eagles, in my opinion arguably better against us than any other team has been facing us in large stretches of these games.

I'm not arguing anything man, lol. I am wondering how that personnel gets that result (on the season, not just yesterday). If you look at that roster and see a 2 loss, Super Bowl contending team, more power to ya, I do not.

[Mags FTW]

One thing is also clear. I know we are all very fond of this young "sum is greater than the parts" receiving corps, but we need a true #1.

[ReasonablySober]

One thing is also clear. I know we are all very fond of this young "sum is greater than the parts" receiving corps, but we need a true #1.

There isn't a #1 in this draft, unless you're talking about Hunter. Pickens is going to be the guy teams target this offseason and I honestly have zero clue about what I would do there.

[humanrefutation]

Garrett Wilson might be on the block, too.

[Matches Malone]

If they could find a deal for Garrett Wilson, I'd be all over that. Will probably cost too much though. Likely just have to hope the current guys take another step forward (Reed and Wicks in particular).

[MoMM]

Wicks is a WR1 if he fixes his drop issues. The problem is fixing that.

[ReasonablySober]

Wicks is a WR1 if he fixes his drop issues.

[ReasonablySober]

The Bears are going to finish the season with more losses than the rest of the North combined.

[BUCKnation]

I thought LaFluer made a mistake not going for it in the first quarter. You have to step up and win these kinds of games. I'm tired of Packers teams that fall just short. We have never seemed to learn our lesson. You have to go for it anytime within reason when you're on the road against a contender. You either trust your guys to complete a 4 yard play or you don't. And if you don't, you won't win anything anyway.

I firmly believe the Packers can beat the Lions/Vikings/Eagles. They were effectively a possession away from beating all three of them.

But settling for field goals deep in their territory with a reasonable down-and-distance won't get it done. You have to put the pressure on them, especially knowing that they have dynamic offenses that will cause your defense problems.

(And to anyone who points to the turnover on downs when they did go for it, the Vikings had the ball and likely would have been able to win it on that last possession even if we settled for the points. LaFluer made the right call going for it there, and I'll take failing on that over settling for the points every single time in these situations. Process over results.)

Obviously the Lions can be over the top on this stuff, but them being in the exact same spot earlier this year at Lambeau and going for it just sends a message.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Yes, that was my takeaway. I thought we looked disappointing more than them looking impressive. One obviously impacts the other but that's my opinion.

I agree that they are well coached but outside of Justin Jefferson being really good, I don't get it personnel wise. Every year there are a few teams that are clearly the teams to go through in a conference and I can see it with Philly and Detroit but I just can't see Minnesota in that intimidating, two loss, clearly a team to beat category.

So your argument is that strictly on paper their personnel isn't as impressive so that discounts what actually happened on the field? We made some mistakes of course but they ate our lunch in that game I don't know how you can argue otherwise. They've been every bit as good against us as the Lions or Eagles, in my opinion arguably better against us than any other team has been facing us in large stretches of these games.

I'm not arguing anything man, lol. I am wondering how that personnel gets that result (on the season, not just yesterday). If you look at that roster and see a 2 loss, Super Bowl contending team, more power to ya, I do not.

Well that's completely from what you said in your original post that I disagreed with. Obviously nobody expected them to be 14-2 but at this point that's kind of irrelevant to me. They've completely earned their record so what they appeared to be on paper before the season means very little imo.

If you didn't know their record and watched them play, would you ever guess they are a 2 loss team? They are balanced but nothing about them is overly impressive.

That's the part I was disagreeing with where you said that watching them play you didn't find them impressive, which to me is just clearly wrong. Like I said, I think we've had more trouble figuring them out than any other team we've played this season.

[TroyD92]

Would rather go after Will Johnson as a trade up candidate and address corner. Not sure how you can trust Jaire to carry that room anymore. WR looks really bad in this draft (as far a legitimate #1, Hunter is probably a corner first in the NFL). Probably need atleast two or three more secondary guys as well (draft/FA).