NBA Trade Thread #11

sco · Post #521 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 7:51 pm

Muzbar wrote:
jump wrote:I think Zach will have a heart attack if he goes to Sac and has to play behind DeMar again.

Sac doesn't have the salary to get Sac, DDR would have to be included but sent to a third team.

I think Murray/Monk/Huerter equal Zach's salary.

Muzbar · Post #522 » by **Muzbar** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:05 pm

sco wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
jump wrote:I think Zach will have a heart attack if he goes to Sac and has to play behind DeMar again.

Sac doesn't have the salary to get Sac, DDR would have to be included but sent to a third team.

I think Murray/Monk/Huerter equal Zach's salary.

Sacto isn't going to trade Monk, He's Fox’s best friend and seems counterproductive. So I never included him for that reason.

Also, a deal like that for Zach makes them worse.

sco · Post #523 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:48 pm

Muzbar wrote:
sco wrote:
Muzbar wrote:Sac doesn't have the salary to get Sac, DDR would have to be included but sent to a third team.

I think Murray/Monk/Huerter equal Zach's salary.

Sacto isn't going to trade Monk, He's Fox’s best friend and seems counterproductive. So I never included him for that reason.

Also, a deal like that for Zach makes them worse.

Fox is also super tight with Zach...I think a big part of wanting Zach is that they are afraid of Fox leaving on his own.

Post #524 » by **HomoSapien** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 8:58 pm

The Golden State Warriors and Chicago Bulls are a pair of teams that rival executives have speculated could have interest in Williamson.

At this point, Williamson's trade value could be as low as a late first round pick and salary filler.

Wiretap on Zion...

If that's his value, we should absolutely roll the dice here.

Muzbar · Post #525 » by **Muzbar** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:07 pm

I wasn't going to post this, but bugger it. A Sac/LAL/Chi trade idea:

Kings receive:
Zach LaVine (Chi)
Torrey Craig (Chi)
Jaxson Hayes (Chi)

Lakers receive:
DeMar DeRozan (Sac)
Jevon Carter (Chi)

Bulls receive:
Rui Hachimura (LAL)
Gabe Vincent (LAL)
Kevin Huerter (Sac)
Trey Lyles (Sac)

I haven't added any picks as it's just the financial framework of the deal, it's worth noting that you could swap Lyles for Keegan Murray if Sacto would do so, but maybe they just include picks :dontknow:

All players involved (excluding Lyles) only have 2 years left on their deals and are smaller and easier to trade in the future if you so wish.

I know this will get hated on because the Bulls don't get back 'a player as good as Zach' but the idea is to make the team a bit worse to try and retain their pick. Maybe Sacto move on from Murray and that becomes enough to persuade AKME.

I don't know, have at me!

Jcool0 · Post #526 » by **Jcool0** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:11 pm

Read on Twitter

sco · Post #527 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:23 pm

Jcool0 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Meh, pure click-bait.

I don't really like Zion's game. Doesn't really excite me on either end. IMO, he got a ton of hype due to the fact that a 6'4 300lb man could dunk, but that doesn't translate to the NBA. That said, it would be the sort of on-brand AK move that I've come to expect.

Dez · Post #528 » by **Dez** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:26 pm

sco wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Meh, pure click-bait.

I don't really like Zion's game. Doesn't really excite me on either end. IMO, he got a ton of hype due to the fact that a 6'4 300lb man could dunk, but that doesn't translate to the NBA. That said, it would be the sort of on-brand AK move that I've come to expect.

What?

The only part of Zion that doesn't translate to the NBA is health.

If that's the price, then you have to swing for it.

sco · Post #529 » by **sco** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:29 pm

Dez wrote:
sco wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Meh, pure click-bait.

I don't really like Zion's game. Doesn't really excite me on either end. IMO, he got a ton of hype due to the fact that a 6'4 300lb man could dunk, but that doesn't translate to the NBA. That said, it would be the sort of on-brand AK move that I've come to expect.

What?

The only part of Zion that doesn't translate to the NBA is health.

If that's the price, then you have to swing for it.

I won't disagree that if that's the price, sure, but the NBA has figured him out. He gets blocked a ton. Can't shoot 3's. Only average on defense. He's like THT with better branding.

Chi town · Post #530 » by **Chi town** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:49 pm

sco wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
jump wrote:I think Zach will have a heart attack if he goes to Sac and has to play behind DeMar again.

Sac doesn't have the salary to get Sac, DDR would have to be included but sent to a third team.

I think Murray/Monk/Huerter equal Zach's salary.

Monk is Fox’s bday.

prolific passer · Post #531 » by **prolific passer** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:57 pm

Zion last year? Sure. Zion this year? No thanks

Jcool0 · Post #532 » by **Jcool0** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:58 pm

sco wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Meh, pure click-bait.

I don't really like Zion's game. Doesn't really excite me on either end. IMO, he got a ton of hype due to the fact that a 6'4 300lb man could dunk, but that doesn't translate to the NBA. That said, it would be the sort of on-brand AK move that I've come to expect.

Read on Twitter

Jcool0 · Post #533 » by **Jcool0** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:05 pm

sco wrote:
Dez wrote:
sco wrote:Meh, pure click-bait.

I don't really like Zion's game. Doesn't really excite me on either end. IMO, he got a ton of hype due to the fact that a 6'4 300lb man could dunk, but that doesn't translate to the NBA. That said, it would be the sort of on-brand AK move that I've come to expect.

What?

The only part of Zion that doesn't translate to the NBA is health.

If that's the price, then you have to swing for it.

I won't disagree that if that's the price, sure, but the NBA has figured him out. He gets blocked a ton. Can't shoot 3's. Only average on defense. He's like THT with better branding.

Last year over 70 games he averaged 22 ppg on 61% true shooting. 5.8 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal. And a 22.8 PER. If he could stay healthy he is a top 10 NBA player.

Muzbar · Post #534 » by **Muzbar** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:06 pm

Dez wrote:
sco wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Meh, pure click-bait.

I don't really like Zion's game. Doesn't really excite me on either end. IMO, he got a ton of hype due to the fact that a 6'4 300lb man could dunk, but that doesn't translate to the NBA. That said, it would be the sort of on-brand AK move that I've come to expect.

What?

The only part of Zion that doesn't translate to the NBA is health.

If that's the price, then you have to swing for it.

No, you actually don't.

Jcool0 · Post #535 » by **Jcool0** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:10 pm

Muzbar wrote:
Dez wrote:
sco wrote:Meh, pure click-bait.

I don't really like Zion's game. Doesn't really excite me on either end. IMO, he got a ton of hype due to the fact that a 6'4 300lb man could dunk, but that doesn't translate to the NBA. That said, it would be the sort of on-brand AK move that I've come to expect.

What?

The only part of Zion that doesn't translate to the NBA is health.

If that's the price, then you have to swing for it.

No, you actually don't.

Bulls are probably going to have no draft pick this year and no money available. How are they going to get a top talent?

prolific passer · Post #536 » by **prolific passer** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:11 pm

How much of is Zions health and how much of it is him saying he's not healthy so he doesn't have to play? Remember he got drafted by the pelicans after the AD debacle and remember his reaction from being drafted by them? Bulls are a still somewhat of a mess themselves still trying to figure out their direction. They don't need that distraction to go along with it.

prolific passer · Post #537 » by **prolific passer** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:12 pm

Jcool0 wrote:
sco wrote:
Dez wrote:
What?

The only part of Zion that doesn't translate to the NBA is health.

If that's the price, then you have to swing for it.

I won't disagree that if that's the price, sure, but the NBA has figured him out. He gets blocked a ton. Can't shoot 3's. Only average on defense. He's like THT with better branding.

Last year over 70 games he averaged 22 ppg on 61% true shooting. 5.8 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal. And a 22.8 PER. If he could stay healthy he is a top 10 NBA player.

Last year there was still hope for Zion to turn it around. I think that's all gone now.

Chi town · Post #538 » by **Chi town** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:30 pm

prolific passer wrote:How much of is Zions health and how much of it is him saying he's not healthy so he doesn't have to play? Remember he got drafted by the pelicans after the AD debacle and remember his reaction from being drafted by them? Bulls are a still somewhat of a mess themselves still trying to figure out their direction. They don't need that distraction to go along with it.

He wants a big market to make big money but he doesn’t want to play or he would be.

If AK is refusing to rebuild and want to max wins then this is a good target provided he wants to play. His contract is basically non guaranteed after next season. I wouldn’t trade anything other than Zach for him. NOLA will want assets. They won’t get much. Maybe they could an asset for Zach in a 3 way

MrSparkle · Post #539 » by **MrSparkle** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:31 pm

Zion, Lonzo and Zach can share knee doctors! With Giddey’s ankles and Pat’s seasonal foot pain… Hell of a wheelchair team!

Muzbar · Post #540 » by **Muzbar** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 10:39 pm

Jcool0 wrote:
Muzbar wrote:
Dez wrote:
What?

The only part of Zion that doesn't translate to the NBA is health.

If that's the price, then you have to swing for it.

No, you actually don't.

Bulls are probably going to have no draft pick this year and no money available. How are they going to get a top talent?

So the answer is to add another max player who has constant injury issues? What's the point of adding top talent if they aren't on the court? Then you're out another draft pick and probably some young players.

The Bulls need to pull the band-aid off that's Vuc and Zach, the teams 2 leading scorers and do what they can to ensure that pick doesn't convey. If it does, then tear down the next season, that next draft is potentially better than this one.

Zion isn't the answer.

Who gets traded out to match his 36m salary?