Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

[Brinbe]

looked much better back into his old role. should be even better once rj returns to take even more scoring load off him

[Tripod]

Barnes looked like a guy relieved to have someone who who could get HIM some easy buckets.

[LoveMyRaps]

Only 4 three point attempts tonight.. Stuck to his strengths. Loved his game tonight!

Seeing the ball go through the rim on your 2pt attempts is only gonna help you be more comfortable taking & making 3s.

[canada_dry]

Repost from pg thread.

Darko post game:

"Quickley is a point guard. He's an extension of myself on the floor "

Also on scottie:

"Him having reps as a point guard is good for his development "

"With iq back he(scottie) can excell now as a secondary playmaker ".

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[ArthurVandelay]

Repost from pg thread.

Darko post game:

"Quickley is a point guard. He's an extension of myself on the floor "

Also on scottie:

"Him having reps as a point guard is good for his development "

"With iq back he(scottie) can excell now as a secondary playmaker ".

Sent from my SM-G960W using RealGM mobile app

This is the big picture so many in this thread don’t grasp.

If you think he is or should be a primary scoring option who can regularly get his own shot, that’s on you, not Scottie.

[720]

There is a huge civil war going on in twitter right now with Pro Barnes Raptors fans and Barnes haters in the fan base.

[PushDaRock]

Only 4 three point attempts tonight.. Stuck to his strengths. Loved his game tonight!

Seeing the ball go through the rim on your 2pt attempts is only gonna help you be more comfortable taking & making 3s.

He had it going after his first 3, probably could have taken more.

[RoteSchroder]

Repost from pg thread.

Darko post game:

"Quickley is a point guard. He's an extension of myself on the floor "

Also on scottie:

"Him having reps as a point guard is good for his development "

"With iq back he(scottie) can excell now as a secondary playmaker ".

Sent from my SM-G960W using RealGM mobile app

This is the big picture so many in this thread don’t grasp.

If you think he is or should be a primary scoring option who can regularly get his own shot, that’s on you, not Scottie.

Kind of also on management.

Scottie's not a primary scoring option nor a primary playmaker. Yet, management was selling to fans on Scottie being the "future face of the league" and "building around Scottie". Unnecessarily pumping up fan expectations beyond his skill set. They're a big reason for the hype.

There's still some work to be done, but projecting him as a #2 connector archetype seems fine to me. I would give him another two years to polish

[Reeko]

33/13/5 with 2 stls and 1 blk. Those are super star numbers, especially when you consider the efficiency with which he did it. He is still our best offensive weapon and by far our best player when you take his defense into account.

[bonjovi0308]

Repost from pg thread.

Darko post game:

"Quickley is a point guard. He's an extension of myself on the floor "

Also on scottie:

"Him having reps as a point guard is good for his development "

"With iq back he(scottie) can excell now as a secondary playmaker ".

Sent from my SM-G960W using RealGM mobile app

This is the big picture so many in this thread don’t grasp.

If you think he is or should be a primary scoring option who can regularly get his own shot, that’s on you, not Scottie.

Kind of also on management.

Scottie's not a primary scoring option nor a primary playmaker. Yet, management was selling to fans on Scottie being the "future face of the league" and "building around Scottie". Unnecessarily pumping up fan expectations beyond his skill set. They're a big reason for the hype.

There's still some work to be done, but projecting him as a #2 connector archetype seems fine to me. I would give him another two years to polish

Scottie was flirting around triple double every game as a PG before the ankle injury. If he can maintain that pace one still argue he's not a no.1? Not the face of most franchise?

[Vampirate]

33/13/5 with 2 stls and 1 blk. Those are super star numbers, especially when you consider the efficiency with which he did it. He is still our best offensive weapon and by far our best player when you take his defense into account.

He has giant holes in his game offensively, but his mid range potential basically sets him apart from any other player currently on the team.

IQ isn't tall enough and RJ is too reliant on converting at the rim.

[Reeko]

33/13/5 with 2 stls and 1 blk. Those are super star numbers, especially when you consider the efficiency with which he did it. He is still our best offensive weapon and by far our best player when you take his defense into account.

He has giant holes in his game offensively, but his mid range potential basically sets him apart from any other player currently on the team.

IQ isn't tall enough and RJ is too reliant on converting at the rim.

A bigger Jimmy Butler was always my hope for him. His mid range game is coming a long really nicely. It's probably too late for an All Star push barring injuries to top players, but if he can consistently provide these types of performances and the Raptors can put together a stretch of health and turn around their season, All NBA might not be out of reach.

[Basketball_Jones]

Lol he lobbed in a 3 from the logo that’s nice

[Vampirate]

33/13/5 with 2 stls and 1 blk. Those are super star numbers, especially when you consider the efficiency with which he did it. He is still our best offensive weapon and by far our best player when you take his defense into account.

He has giant holes in his game offensively, but his mid range potential basically sets him apart from any other player currently on the team.

IQ isn't tall enough and RJ is too reliant on converting at the rim.

A bigger Jimmy Butler was always my hope for him. His mid range game is coming a long really nicely. It's probably too late for an All Star push barring injuries to top players, but if he can consistently provide these types of performances and the Raptors can put together a stretch of health and turn around their season, All NBA might not be out of reach.

A bigger Jimmy Butler is basically a Kawhi without the 3.

The accolades in terms of All NBA/All Star are gone now (due to the contract, this isn't the year you want him getting All NBA anyways) unless it's clear he's a #1 type superstar moving forwards.

What Barnes needs to do is basically be able to spam the midrange at will, get defenses to overcommit. Defenses need to fear it.

Also he was .446 from 16ft - 3P last year so hopefully he can get above .350 in that range this year.

Matchup wise he needs a reliable middy to handle the likes of Mobley and Wemby.

People that want him to operate in the post lose sight of that.

[Reeko]

He has giant holes in his game offensively, but his mid range potential basically sets him apart from any other player currently on the team.

IQ isn't tall enough and RJ is too reliant on converting at the rim.

A bigger Jimmy Butler was always my hope for him. His mid range game is coming a long really nicely. It's probably too late for an All Star push barring injuries to top players, but if he can consistently provide these types of performances and the Raptors can put together a stretch of health and turn around their season, All NBA might not be out of reach.

A bigger Jimmy Butler is basically a Kawhi without the 3.

The accolades in terms of All NBA/All Star are gone now (due to the contract, this isn't the year you want him getting All NBA anyways) unless it's clear he's a #1 type superstar moving forwards.

What Barnes needs to do is basically be able to spam the midrange at will, get defenses to overcommit. Defenses need to fear it.

Also he was .446 from 16ft - 3P last year so hopefully he can get above .350 in that range this year.

Matchup wise he needs a reliable middy to handle the likes of Mobley and Wemby.

People that want him to operate in the post lose sight of that.

Yeah, maybe a bit different defensively since I don't see Scottie being able to guard the perimeter at the same level as those two but his back line defense could be better than theirs. No shame in that though, Butler and Leonard are two of the best perimeter defenders to ever play the game.

[Scase]

Scottie heard y'all talking **** lol

33/13/5 with 2 stls and 1 blk. Those are super star numbers, especially when you consider the efficiency with which he did it. He is still our best offensive weapon and by far our best player when you take his defense into account.

He has giant holes in his game offensively, but his mid range potential basically sets him apart from any other player currently on the team.

IQ isn't tall enough and RJ is too reliant on converting at the rim.

A bigger Jimmy Butler was always my hope for him. His mid range game is coming a long really nicely. It's probably too late for an All Star push barring injuries to top players, but if he can consistently provide these types of performances and the Raptors can put together a stretch of health and turn around their season, All NBA might not be out of reach.

This is why it infuriates me so much when I see him jacking up pull up 3's, he has the ability to destroy teams with a mid game, which directly opens up the rest of his game. So many people complaining about him running as the PG (which is somewhat warranted) but should be complaining that he isn't just killing it in the mid range. This would be one of my main complaints with Darko and his development of Scottie.

[anotherhomer]

Hes not a number one scorer...but his mid range post game being able to bit that 10-15ft jumper is very important for his development and the franchise

[RoteSchroder]

This is the big picture so many in this thread don’t grasp.

If you think he is or should be a primary scoring option who can regularly get his own shot, that’s on you, not Scottie.

Kind of also on management.

Scottie's not a primary scoring option nor a primary playmaker. Yet, management was selling to fans on Scottie being the "future face of the league" and "building around Scottie". Unnecessarily pumping up fan expectations beyond his skill set. They're a big reason for the hype.

There's still some work to be done, but projecting him as a #2 connector archetype seems fine to me. I would give him another two years to polish

Scottie was flirting around triple double every game as a PG before the ankle injury. If he can maintain that pace one still argue he's not a no.1? Not the face of most franchise?

I mean..so was RJ. RWB is also a trip dub machine. Also, there were games when Scottie was closer to a trip dub with TO's.

If we look at today's game, it's probably preferable to run the O through a real PG. Quickley was 15/1 in his first game back. Scottie's had trouble statistically achieving anything like that in his entire career.

Lastly, you typically want a #1 to be able to break through tough defenses and create something out of nothing during offensive droughts, rather than just being a guy who gets points in the flow of the game. Both RJ and Scottie struggle in that department. You also want your #1 to be consistently efficient.

[PushDaRock]

Kind of also on management.

Scottie's not a primary scoring option nor a primary playmaker. Yet, management was selling to fans on Scottie being the "future face of the league" and "building around Scottie". Unnecessarily pumping up fan expectations beyond his skill set. They're a big reason for the hype.

There's still some work to be done, but projecting him as a #2 connector archetype seems fine to me. I would give him another two years to polish

Scottie was flirting around triple double every game as a PG before the ankle injury. If he can maintain that pace one still argue he's not a no.1? Not the face of most franchise?

I mean..so was RJ. RWB is also a trip dub machine. Also, there were games when Scottie was closer to a trip dub with TO's.

If we look at today's game, it's probably preferable to run the O through a real PG. Quickley was 15/1 in his first game back. Scottie's had trouble statistically achieving anything like that in his entire career.

Lastly, you typically want a #1 to be able to break through tough defenses and create something out of nothing during offensive droughts, rather than just being a guy who gets points in the flow of the game. Both RJ and Scottie struggle in that department. You also want your #1 to be consistently efficient.

A #1 option is able to score even when everyone on the floor knows he's shooting it.

The middy is looking like it might actually be for real, he just has a lot of confidence shooting it right now. I would like to see him get catches in the mid post area to see how that looks in crunch time. It's still a bit limited in that his range isn't that far on it and he takes it 1 dribble 2 max so he needs to catch it inside the arc to go into it but it's been by far the best development he's shown this season.

[anotherhomer]

Scottie was flirting around triple double every game as a PG before the ankle injury. If he can maintain that pace one still argue he's not a no.1? Not the face of most franchise?

I mean..so was RJ. RWB is also a trip dub machine. Also, there were games when Scottie was closer to a trip dub with TO's.

If we look at today's game, it's probably preferable to run the O through a real PG. Quickley was 15/1 in his first game back. Scottie's had trouble statistically achieving anything like that in his entire career.

Lastly, you typically want a #1 to be able to break through tough defenses and create something out of nothing during offensive droughts, rather than just being a guy who gets points in the flow of the game. Both RJ and Scottie struggle in that department. You also want your #1 to be consistently efficient.

A #1 option is able to score even when everyone on the floor knows he's shooting it.

The middy is looking like it might actually be for real, he just has a lot of confidence shooting it right now. I would like to see him get catches in the mid post area to see how that looks in crunch time. It's still a bit limited in that his range isn't that far on it and he takes it 1 dribble 2 max so he needs to catch it inside the arc to go into it but it's been by far the best development he's shown this season.

his 3 isn't bad, but prolly impacted by his ankle injury

the mid-range looks pretty consistent, can count on him for 3-4 mid-range a game which is important
his ball-handling is decent

he's looking more of a 20-22 PPG guy with 6 assist and 8 rebounds plus solid off-ball defense

a good guy to have on the team