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Post#341 » by stan francisco » Fri Jan 3, 2025 5:21 am

I’m saying he’s untouchable, not any body else. At 32M over 4 years, he’s not going anywhere.

He’s our best perimeter defender at the moment. Plus, right this minute he is having a career high scoring game. He still has pimples, he’s so young.

He stays, imho, unless we’re talking a Curry or some other total game changing star.
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Post#342 » by Danny Darko » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:10 am

Max is starting to pan out... at his age and basically being the 3&D we've been coveting and also the lack of external hype for his worth, I don't see him going anywhere. Hell of a game tonight, too.
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Post#343 » by SlimShady83 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:47 am

Ham probably kicking himself for not playing Max Christie ...
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Post#344 » by SlimShady83 » Fri Jan 3, 2025 6:48 am

stan francisco wrote:I’m saying he’s untouchable, not any body else. At 32M over 4 years, he’s not going anywhere.

He’s our best perimeter defender at the moment. Plus, right this minute he is having a career high scoring game. He still has pimples, he’s so young.

He stays, imho, unless we’re talking a Curry or some other total game changing star.


If It was for a package deal; Fox, Young, Luka maybe D.Murray ... And that's a big maybe.

I'm liking this backcourt of Max and Reaves compliment each other so well.
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Post#345 » by WentzerWuver » Fri Jan 3, 2025 7:42 am

stan francisco wrote:I’m saying he’s untouchable, not any body else. At 32M over 4 years, he’s not going anywhere.

He’s our best perimeter defender at the moment. Plus, right this minute he is having a career high scoring game. He still has pimples, he’s so young.

He stays, imho, unless we’re talking a Curry or some other total game changing star.
Lol calm down Stan. I dont know how long you been following the Lakers but you are treating Max like THT not long ago when he WAS truly an untouchable. Max can't even do some of the things THT was doing which is why no one on the Lakers is saying he's special or an untouchable unlike THT. Max is gone if it will bring in a game changer especially Kessler. If Ainge says I want a frp and Max, the Lakers will immediately clean out his locker like pronto.

https://youtu.be/H_LmvRUXO3w?si=CLnbQy-1Ws6tQRv9

Just cause you fancy Max don't go over board with the untouchable label as he is just a complimentary player but nothing special. Why you think he spent so much time in the G league.
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Post#346 » by stan francisco » Fri Jan 3, 2025 11:27 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
stan francisco wrote:I’m saying he’s untouchable, not any body else. At 32M over 4 years, he’s not going anywhere.

He’s our best perimeter defender at the moment. Plus, right this minute he is having a career high scoring game. He still has pimples, he’s so young.

He stays, imho, unless we’re talking a Curry or some other total game changing star.
Lol calm down Stan. I dont know how long you been following the Lakers but you are treating Max like THT not long ago when he WAS truly an untouchable. Max can't even do some of the things THT was doing which is why no one on the Lakers is saying he's special or an untouchable unlike THT. Max is gone if it will bring in a game changer especially Kessler. If Ainge says I want a frp and Max, the Lakers will immediately clean out his locker like pronto.

https://youtu.be/H_LmvRUXO3w?si=CLnbQy-1Ws6tQRv9

Just cause you fancy Max don't go over board with the untouchable label as he is just a complimentary player but nothing special. Why you think he spent so much time in the G league.


THT? :D Good bait.

Who in the league — at his price point — would you then want to replace him with for the next four years? In other words, who is it that you think would beat him to the SG starting job for that same price?

Edit: and please don’t answer Wemby. Someone we could trade him for straight up…
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Post#347 » by WentzerWuver » Sat Jan 4, 2025 12:19 am

stan francisco wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
stan francisco wrote:I’m saying he’s untouchable, not any body else. At 32M over 4 years, he’s not going anywhere.

He’s our best perimeter defender at the moment. Plus, right this minute he is having a career high scoring game. He still has pimples, he’s so young.

He stays, imho, unless we’re talking a Curry or some other total game changing star.
Lol calm down Stan. I dont know how long you been following the Lakers but you are treating Max like THT not long ago when he WAS truly an untouchable. Max can't even do some of the things THT was doing which is why no one on the Lakers is saying he's special or an untouchable unlike THT. Max is gone if it will bring in a game changer especially Kessler. If Ainge says I want a frp and Max, the Lakers will immediately clean out his locker like pronto.

https://youtu.be/H_LmvRUXO3w?si=CLnbQy-1Ws6tQRv9

Just cause you fancy Max don't go over board with the untouchable label as he is just a complimentary player but nothing special. Why you think he spent so much time in the G league.


THT? :D Good bait.

Who in the league — at his price point — would you then want to replace him with for the next four years? In other words, who is it that you think would beat him to the SG starting job for that same price?

Edit: and please don’t answer Wemby. Someone we could trade him for straight up…
Simple by looking within our roster. Starting Knecht since he is truly special. Even Lebron had said so unless you think you know more than King James Lol

This is what Knecht did just a month ago as a starter and why he is more of an untouchable since they stoled him in the draft. Not your so-called untouchable just cause you fancy him.
https://youtu.be/O_-TYF5HPg4?si=Td_FC2el2QYHzWG5

The Lakers won't say no if Max is the reason preventing this team from improving in any trade scenario. If Ainge wants Max as part of a trade for Kessler instead of an unprotected pick, he's gone! That is a fact Stan.
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Post#348 » by stan francisco » Sat Jan 4, 2025 3:41 am

WentzerWuver wrote:
stan francisco wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:Lol calm down Stan. I dont know how long you been following the Lakers but you are treating Max like THT not long ago when he WAS truly an untouchable. Max can't even do some of the things THT was doing which is why no one on the Lakers is saying he's special or an untouchable unlike THT. Max is gone if it will bring in a game changer especially Kessler. If Ainge says I want a frp and Max, the Lakers will immediately clean out his locker like pronto.

https://youtu.be/H_LmvRUXO3w?si=CLnbQy-1Ws6tQRv9

Just cause you fancy Max don't go over board with the untouchable label as he is just a complimentary player but nothing special. Why you think he spent so much time in the G league.


THT? :D Good bait.

Who in the league — at his price point — would you then want to replace him with for the next four years? In other words, who is it that you think would beat him to the SG starting job for that same price?

Edit: and please don’t answer Wemby. Someone we could trade him for straight up…
Simple by looking within our roster. Starting Knecht since he is truly special. Even Lebron had said so unless you think you know more than King James Lol

This is what Knecht did just a month ago as a starter and why he is more of an untouchable since they stoled him in the draft. Not your so-called untouchable just cause you fancy him.
https://youtu.be/O_-TYF5HPg4?si=Td_FC2el2QYHzWG5

The Lakers won't say no if Max is the reason preventing this team from improving in any trade scenario. If Ainge wants Max as part of a trade for Kessler instead of an unprotected pick, he's gone! That is a fact Stan.



I agree Knecht is even more off the trading block, untouchable. Who said I didn’t think so?

That doesn’t mean we should make Max available.

Having two such contributors at that age is a great thing for Bron and Brow. Keep them both! It’s a total no brainer.

Christie’s D is much better than Knecht’s O on this very date. That’s why he’s starting. And, he scored 28 yesterday. Teams suddenly scouting a rookie with impact like Knecht changes the rookie’s impact. Happened to everyone before him. He’ll work through it by late March. For now, Max is the better contributor. That will surely change soon but watch Max’s POA defense.

That’s also why he should start next to Bron for now. To help save his old legs and knees and joints and tendons for the playoffs.
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Post#349 » by WentzerWuver » Sat Jan 4, 2025 3:48 am

stan francisco wrote:I agree Knecht is even more off the trading block, untouchable. Who said I didn’t think so?

That doesn’t mean we should make Max available.

Having two such contributors at that age is a great thing for Bron and Brow. Keep them both! It’s a total no brainer.

Christie’s D is much better than Knecht’s O on this very date. That’s why he’s starting. And, he scored 28 yesterday. Teams suddenly scouting a rookie with impact like Knecht changes the rookie’s impact. Happened to everyone before him. He’ll work through it by late March. For now, Max is the better contributor. That will surely change soon but watch Max’s POA defense.

That’s also why he should start next to Bron for now. To help save his old legs and knees and joints and tendons for the playoffs.
Fair enough as I will monitor Max play going forward as a starter, which I haven't been before as another role player.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-is-terance-mann-untouchable-in-a-james-harden-trade-if-the-clippers-wont-even-start-him/

Just note that the Clippers put Mann in that untouchable category when the Sixers wanted him for Harden, which they finally included another 1st round pick, lightly protected. He doesn't seem like an untouchable now just like THT. Wanting to keep Max is one thing but you claimed him as an untouchable, which implies under any circumstances, is just weird when no one else has.

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Post#350 » by stan francisco » Sat Jan 4, 2025 5:20 am

WentzerWuver wrote:
stan francisco wrote:I agree Knecht is even more off the trading block, untouchable. Who said I didn’t think so?

That doesn’t mean we should make Max available.

Having two such contributors at that age is a great thing for Bron and Brow. Keep them both! It’s a total no brainer.

Christie’s D is much better than Knecht’s O on this very date. That’s why he’s starting. And, he scored 28 yesterday. Teams suddenly scouting a rookie with impact like Knecht changes the rookie’s impact. Happened to everyone before him. He’ll work through it by late March. For now, Max is the better contributor. That will surely change soon but watch Max’s POA defense.

That’s also why he should start next to Bron for now. To help save his old legs and knees and joints and tendons for the playoffs.
Fair enough as I will monitor Max play going forward as a starter, which I haven't been before as another role player.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-is-terance-mann-untouchable-in-a-james-harden-trade-if-the-clippers-wont-even-start-him/

Just note that the Clippers put Mann in that untouchable category when the Sixers wanted him for Harden which they finally ended up adding another 1st round pick, lightly protected. He doesn't seem like an untouchable now just like THT. Wanting to keep Max is one thing but you claimed him as an untouchable is just weird when no one else has.

https://youtube.com/shorts/omKK7jlTPBg?si=6gDHXB7cOunwhWno


Yeah, I’m odd. I said unless a real star like Curry or alike comes around. Cheers.


Edit: one more thing: since Max has started our DRTG went from 28 to 2nd best in the league. Knecht has shot 14% during that stretch.
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SF: LaRavia / Rui / Thiero
PF: Bron / Vando / Kleber
C: Ayton / Hayes / Koloko
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Post#351 » by Showtime:Part2 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 6:09 am

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Showtime:Part2 wrote:Dumb trade. Fire rob. Before you pounce on me, there’s no arguing dfs is an upgrade to dlo. That’s beside the point. It’s a bad use of assets. Picks and expirings should be used to get a needle mover. Dfs is an upgrade but we aren’t close to a contender. Now we don’t have a 19mm expiring salary to trade for a star (jimmy butler, Zion). I think I just have to come terms w the fact that Jeanie and rob have no intention of putting out a contender.

Before this trade, we could’ve put together about 25mil worth of expiring contracts. What star/‘needle mover’ is getting paid only 25mil?

This deal is good. It improves a clear area of weakness that should elevate our current ceiling, for minimal cost. Get a better backup C for salary and the remaining two 2nds we have, and I think we’ll be much better off


The point isn’t that you trade dollar for dollar expiring contracts. Easy example here if we went after jimmy butler: dlo, jhs, vando, and rui roughly salary matches jimmy butler and filler (obviously we would have to send out firsts). That’s just one bad contract being shipped out in vando. Now we would have to throw in Vincent and wood, which are less valuable trade pieces than dlos 19mm expiring, thereby making our offer less competitive vs other teams.

Does jimmy butler get us to the level of okc/celtics? Probably not, but there’s still like a 25-35% chance if he gets hot like he has in the playoffs before and/or reverts to form without all the drama. Goes dfs get us to the level of okc/celtics? Uhhh no. What are we playing for here fellas? We got max till next year w bron. You wanna be a guaranteed loss to okc or you wanna try for one last shot? Because if the former is the answer, why are we wasting our time watching games? You’re saying you’re ok with just running out lebrons career in mediocre fashion then sucking for several years after that. Just come back in 7 years then
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Post#352 » by loveshaq007 » Sat Jan 4, 2025 10:51 am

I think Lakers need to think quick...

trade DFS, Gabe, vando, hood and wood for butler and love!
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Post#353 » by stan francisco » Sat Jan 4, 2025 1:15 pm

AD, Bron, Reaves, Christie, Knecht stay. That’s my viewpoint. If we can add a star without losing our future…

All others are fair game for the right return. I don’t mind a short rotation. I guess DFS and Milton stay, since they were just traded.

Butler will require picks or they’ll just tank and let him go into FA.

Gabe, Reddish, Hayes, Koloko, Vanderbilt, Traoré, Olivari, JHS. How many expiring contracts do we have?

If we somehow traded all of them and only took two players back, we’d still be nine deep.
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Post#354 » by WentzerWuver » Sat Jan 4, 2025 3:15 pm

stan francisco wrote:AD, Bron, Reaves, Christie, Knecht stay. That’s my viewpoint. If we can add a star without losing our future…

All others are fair game for the right return. I don’t mind a short rotation. I guess DFS and Milton stay, since they were just traded.

Butler will require picks or they’ll just tank and let him go into FA.

Gabe, Reddish, Hayes, Koloko, Vanderbilt, Traoré, Olivari, JHS. How many expiring contracts do we have?

If we somehow traded all of them and only took two players back, we’d still be nine deep.
I have to ask...do you ever consider what the other team want in return when suggesting trades? Or you only concern is to dump as many players that you have no need for which Miami would waive as well since they have no need nor the room to keep them all Lol. Gabe is likely the only player Spo would want back imo. Besides. Jimmy never even listed the Lakers as a destination he wants to wind up in and would never get along with JJ.

I can do much better that would benefit both teams. Send Jimmy home for Dillon, FVV plus a 1st round pick for salary matching since they have so many first round picks like OKC. Rox best chance to win the ship as his new Joy!

https://youtube.com/shorts/CQlzy4KFW4o?si=4n0-M1miCGmA71IZ

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Post#355 » by zuju » Sat Jan 4, 2025 11:33 pm

Showtime:Part2 wrote:
KuzControl wrote:
Showtime:Part2 wrote:Dumb trade. Fire rob. Before you pounce on me, there’s no arguing dfs is an upgrade to dlo. That’s beside the point. It’s a bad use of assets. Picks and expirings should be used to get a needle mover. Dfs is an upgrade but we aren’t close to a contender. Now we don’t have a 19mm expiring salary to trade for a star (jimmy butler, Zion). I think I just have to come terms w the fact that Jeanie and rob have no intention of putting out a contender.

Before this trade, we could’ve put together about 25mil worth of expiring contracts. What star/‘needle mover’ is getting paid only 25mil?

This deal is good. It improves a clear area of weakness that should elevate our current ceiling, for minimal cost. Get a better backup C for salary and the remaining two 2nds we have, and I think we’ll be much better off


The point isn’t that you trade dollar for dollar expiring contracts. Easy example here if we went after jimmy butler: dlo, jhs, vando, and rui roughly salary matches jimmy butler and filler (obviously we would have to send out firsts). That’s just one bad contract being shipped out in vando. Now we would have to throw in Vincent and wood, which are less valuable trade pieces than dlos 19mm expiring, thereby making our offer less competitive vs other teams.

Does jimmy butler get us to the level of okc/celtics? Probably not, but there’s still like a 25-35% chance if he gets hot like he has in the playoffs before and/or reverts to form without all the drama. Goes dfs get us to the level of okc/celtics? Uhhh no. What are we playing for here fellas? We got max till next year w bron. You wanna be a guaranteed loss to okc or you wanna try for one last shot? Because if the former is the answer, why are we wasting our time watching games? You’re saying you’re ok with just running out lebrons career in mediocre fashion then sucking for several years after that. Just come back in 7 years then


The Heat is not taking back bad contracts. Most players you thrown out are one dimensuonal players. If they want to stay competitive this season, they are not taking Dlo unless they have an eye to trade him to a third team for upgrade and they may barely receiving some sort of DFS level player (non needle mover) in return at best. If you were Riley, will you do this trade?
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Post#356 » by stan francisco » Sun Jan 5, 2025 12:47 am

WentzerWuver wrote:
stan francisco wrote:AD, Bron, Reaves, Christie, Knecht stay. That’s my viewpoint. If we can add a star without losing our future…

All others are fair game for the right return. I don’t mind a short rotation. I guess DFS and Milton stay, since they were just traded.

Butler will require picks or they’ll just tank and let him go into FA.

Gabe, Reddish, Hayes, Koloko, Vanderbilt, Traoré, Olivari, JHS. How many expiring contracts do we have?

If we somehow traded all of them and only took two players back, we’d still be nine deep.
I have to ask...do you ever consider what the other team want in return when suggesting trades? Or you only concern is to dump as many players that you have no need for which Miami would waive as well since they have no need nor the room to keep them all Lol. Gabe is likely the only player Spo would want back imo. Besides. Jimmy never even listed the Lakers as a destination he wants to wind up in and would never get along with JJ.

I can do much better that would benefit both teams. Send Jimmy home for Dillon, FVV plus a 1st round pick for salary matching since they have so many first round picks like OKC. Rox best chance to win the ship as his new Joy!

https://youtube.com/shorts/CQlzy4KFW4o?si=4n0-M1miCGmA71IZ

Reed Sheppard finally starts at point as the 3rd overall pick instead of rotting on the bench. Boy I'm I good at this as a win win for both teams!


Drop the personal correctional ish, please. I won’t read it.

Watch Max’s defense. Inquire.

Then tell me who in the league you’d trade him for — a two guard at the same price point. I’m still waiting. Can’t trade him for Knecht. He’s on our team.
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SF: LaRavia / Rui / Thiero
PF: Bron / Vando / Kleber
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Post#357 » by WentzerWuver » Sun Jan 5, 2025 2:49 am

stan francisco wrote:
WentzerWuver wrote:
stan francisco wrote:AD, Bron, Reaves, Christie, Knecht stay. That’s my viewpoint. If we can add a star without losing our future…

All others are fair game for the right return. I don’t mind a short rotation. I guess DFS and Milton stay, since they were just traded.

Butler will require picks or they’ll just tank and let him go into FA.

Gabe, Reddish, Hayes, Koloko, Vanderbilt, Traoré, Olivari, JHS. How many expiring contracts do we have?

If we somehow traded all of them and only took two players back, we’d still be nine deep.
I have to ask...do you ever consider what the other team want in return when suggesting trades? Or you only concern is to dump as many players that you have no need for which Miami would waive as well since they have no need nor the room to keep them all Lol. Gabe is likely the only player Spo would want back imo. Besides. Jimmy never even listed the Lakers as a destination he wants to wind up in and would never get along with JJ.

I can do much better that would benefit both teams. Send Jimmy home for Dillon, FVV plus a 1st round pick for salary matching since they have so many first round picks like OKC. Rox best chance to win the ship as his new Joy!

https://youtube.com/shorts/CQlzy4KFW4o?si=4n0-M1miCGmA71IZ

Reed Sheppard finally starts at point as the 3rd overall pick instead of rotting on the bench. Boy I'm I good at this as a win win for both teams!


Drop the personal correctional ish, please. I won’t read it.

Watch Max’s defense. Inquire.

Then tell me who in the league you’d trade him for — a two guard at the same price point. I’m still waiting. Can’t trade him for Knecht. He’s on our team.
Wrong posting you are responding on bro. It has nothing to do with Max/Knecht but on dumping crap we don't need for Jimmy Butler. Have you considered if Pat Riley even wants a boatload of garbage for Jimmy? I know I wouldn't...

I even read the Rockets may offer 4 first round picks for Jimmy.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25083858/houston-rockets-offer-wolves-four-first-round-draft-picks-jimmy-butler
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Post#358 » by chefy » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:07 am

What’s your opinion on Jimmy Butler? I dont mind getting him. I think Pat’s gonna ask for a lot from us tho.
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Post#359 » by SlimShady83 » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:13 am

chefy wrote:What’s your opinion on Jimmy Butler? I dont mind getting him. I think Pat’s gonna ask for a lot from us tho.

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Re: Trades: update- Dlo out DFS and Shake incoming 

Post#360 » by stan francisco » Sun Jan 5, 2025 3:17 am

chefy wrote:What’s your opinion on Jimmy Butler? I dont mind getting him. I think Pat’s gonna ask for a lot from us tho.


He would bring what we need. Some badass competitiveness.
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