2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2

[TNRaps4life]

I dont understand why would anyone feel this way.

Thankfully, Masai would go for the 6'8+ guy with the 7+foot Wingspan over the PG...again!

Thankfully Masai has a whole analytics department that would tell him to steer miles clear of Bailey unless his game shows DRASTIC improvement the rest of the season.

Thankfully, analytics have never been the main factor in drafting NBA players.(never will be)
The last player at that age with that kind of height/wingspan, with this kind of shot-making ability, with picture mechanics&elevation was probably Kevin Durant..Ingram and Tatum did not have that kind of shot-making ability at that age.

Greg Oden was the analytical pick.

[DreamTeam09]

I really don't care about the assist stuff with Ace tbh
Multiple debates online everyday about whether or not Scottie can be that guy or if he has the mentality to carry the offense as a true #1. Not every team is gonna be able to find that elite franchise changing scorer but it never hurts to atleast have someone who understands how to get baskets. Between Scottie and IQ there's enough playmaking, Quick comes back and immediately Gradey is getting better looks again. RJs whole shot diet did a 180 coming from new york I can only imagine the positions they will put Ace in to succeed while being immensely more talented and actually trying on defense

Yeah I never understood that point in terms of the Raps, we don't need anymore play makers, we need more play finishers, more shooters, more guys who can get stuff out of nothing. Bailey's weaknesses aren't the teams weakness, and his strengths are something we desperately need.

Stand by my Marvin Bagley comp.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marvin-bagleyiii-1/gamelog/2018

Michael Beasley is another comparison
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/michael-beasley-1/gamelog/2008
They put up huge games too, were better rebounders too. Also, had terrible assist numbers (albeit better than Bailey)

Can anyone think of a pure scorer with terrible assist numbers that succeeded in the NBA?
Maybe he figures it out, but the Raptors don't need a pure iso scorer. Sure, a guy that can iso score would be nice, but they damn well better be able to get their teammates involved and make them better too.

The Spurs championship years are what every team should attempt to emulate, they played beautiful basketball and could probably win a championship even if one of their stars went down.

Not saying he's a do not draft, but you better be prepared for him to be a bust more often than not.

Off the top of my head with no research - Micheal Redd / Kevin Martin - both of whom are way shorter than Ace. Was KD getting Ast in college

[DreamTeam09]

Bailey wars are crazy Most polarizing prospect that's not even projected top2 by anyone?

Most of it is people trying to justify why he was supposed to go this high. Then shot creation gets crazy overrated on here. I was right here fighting off all the James Bouknight truthers (who are still here).

6'10 is not 6'4

[DreamTeam09]

Interesting to see what Ian Jackson turns out to be listed at. He's been turning up recently

[Jstock12]

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[UnbelievablyRAW]

I'd hate to be 3rd pick because it feels like you can miss hard with who you take there. I feel Harper and Flagg will be good regardless but it could look crazy in hindsight depending on who goes 3.

For all we know in 2 years VJ Edgecombe gets a 3pt shot and turns into Ant Edwards
Or Demin's shot starts falling again and he's 6'9 skinny Luka
Or Kasparas turns into Devin Booker with better passing if used in a more scoring role in the NBA

[Syd-TK3]

Cooper getting more and more comfortable as a scorer as the season goes on

[UnbelievablyRAW]

VJ Edgecombe is very intriguing. Excellent athlete, tons of stocks, not a bad AST/TO ratio for a freshman, and his shot isn’t broken. I need to see more of him but I’d rather take him over some guys who are more developed offensively but don’t have the athleticism to develop into elite players.

Just wish he had more playmaking chops. At 6'4 it's a bit hard to put him next to IQ but he is feisty defensively.

Wouldn't really have a fit next to JaKobe unless we do the Scottie at PG lineups with those 2 as play finishers.

There's a world where his 3 starts to be more consistent and he turns into Anthony Edwards-lite

[Jstock12]

BYU getting slaughtered out there. Demin's at 25% FG (11/43) and 8% 3PT (2/23) vs top-100 schools (5 games). Small sample, but not nothing either.

[Yallbecrazy]

CMB having a nightmare of a game, but the whole team is.

[mademan]

Yeah I never understood that point in terms of the Raps, we don't need anymore play makers, we need more play finishers, more shooters, more guys who can get stuff out of nothing. Bailey's weaknesses aren't the teams weakness, and his strengths are something we desperately need.

Stand by my Marvin Bagley comp.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/marvin-bagleyiii-1/gamelog/2018

Michael Beasley is another comparison
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/michael-beasley-1/gamelog/2008
They put up huge games too, were better rebounders too. Also, had terrible assist numbers (albeit better than Bailey)

Can anyone think of a pure scorer with terrible assist numbers that succeeded in the NBA?
Maybe he figures it out, but the Raptors don't need a pure iso scorer. Sure, a guy that can iso score would be nice, but they damn well better be able to get their teammates involved and make them better too.

The Spurs championship years are what every team should attempt to emulate, they played beautiful basketball and could probably win a championship even if one of their stars went down.

Not saying he's a do not draft, but you better be prepared for him to be a bust more often than not.

Off the top of my head with no research - Micheal Redd / Kevin Martin - both of whom are way shorter than Ace. Was KD getting Ast in college

All of them were getting to the line in college. I think the worst marker for Ace, beyond assists numbers and eye test (watching him is brutal, just cant create a good shot ever), is his inability to get to the line. 34 minutes per game, 17 shots, featured offensive player with high usage and less than 4 FTA per game? As a scorer, this is awful

Look at the FTr

Durant: 0.314
Redd: 0.35
Martin: 0.519!!

Ace: 0.225

There are just too many red flags with Ace. Cant create a good look, cant pass, cant get to the line...you would have to hope that none of these are indicators of what he could do at the NBA level, at which point youre banking completely on potential and hoping he becomes a completely different player. That's just seems so risky. Just too many concerns with him

[Ell Curry]

BYU getting slaughtered out there. Demin's at 25% FG (11/43) and 8% 3PT (2/23) vs top-100 schools (5 games). Small sample, but not nothing either.

I only caught like 5 minutes of it, but every possession was Demin getting trapped/doubled and using his height to make a pretty good pass inside and then BYU's players getting swarmed and turning it over or missing bunnies. Demin did have to pick up his dribble once or twice.

Doesn't seem like he was looking to do a ton on D other than grab long rebounds.

Edgecombe and his team are in hell on O against Iowa State. It's kinda nice that there's these programs that run largely on being perimeter defensive terrors. Get to see how these guys do against NBA guard level defence (the guards just lack offensive skill so they don't make the pros).

Watching Edgecombe now. He's struggling, but he's also pretty under control on O and looks good going to the rim. Baylor seems to have 2 small guards out there alongside him who have talent but aren't good passers (Roach from Duke and top recruit Wright) or floor general types. They mostly look for their own shot. I think he chose the wrong roster.

[Jstock12]

BYU getting slaughtered out there. Demin's at 25% FG (11/43) and 8% 3PT (2/23) vs top-100 schools (5 games). Small sample, but not nothing either.

I only caught like 5 minutes of it, but every possession was Demin getting trapped/doubled and using his height to make a pretty good pass inside and then BYU's players getting swarmed and turning it over or missing bunnies. Demin did have to pick up his dribble once or twice.

Doesn't seem like he was looking to do a ton on D other than grab long rebounds.

Yeah not questioning Demin's vision. It's very good. It's why we're even discussing him at this point, haha.

[Ell Curry]

BYU getting slaughtered out there. Demin's at 25% FG (11/43) and 8% 3PT (2/23) vs top-100 schools (5 games). Small sample, but not nothing either.

I only caught like 5 minutes of it, but every possession was Demin getting trapped/doubled and using his height to make a pretty good pass inside and then BYU's players getting swarmed and turning it over or missing bunnies. Demin did have to pick up his dribble once or twice.

Doesn't seem like he was looking to do a ton on D other than grab long rebounds.

Yeah not questioning Demin's vision. It's very good. It's why we're even discussing him at this point, haha.

Oh I didn't mean you were. Just noting what I saw because I happened to catch 5 minutes of it while the Baylor game (slightly more competitive) was at halftime.

[Naysorn]

VJ Edgecombe is very intriguing. Excellent athlete, tons of stocks, not a bad AST/TO ratio for a freshman, and his shot isn’t broken. I need to see more of him but I’d rather take him over some guys who are more developed offensively but don’t have the athleticism to develop into elite players.

Just wish he had more playmaking chops. At 6'4 it's a bit hard to put him next to IQ but he is feisty defensively.

Wouldn't really have a fit next to JaKobe unless we do the Scottie at PG lineups with those 2 as play finishers.

There's a world where his 3 starts to be more consistent and he turns into Anthony Edwards-lite

this is where player development is key, and our franchise will do a good job at maximizing any prospect's potential

so Demin could be a bust or Edgecombe could be a bust, but it's nearly impossible if the Raptors draft him because we always squeeze every bit of juice from the players we can

see OG, Siakam, FVV and now our rookies/sophomores this year

regardless, we need to pick 1st so we can squeeze the most juice possible so to speak

[UnbelievablyRAW]

How many games are left in the college season?

[Jstock12]

How many games are left in the college season?

18 for BYU, assuming they won't qualify to the March Madness tournament. I guess similar amount for other colleges as well.
P.S. I guess there's also a conference playoff tournament at the end, so 3-4 games extra.

[ItsDanger]

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8/8 FT, 2/2 3pt

[TNRaps4life]

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8/8 FT, 2/2 3pt

He is the #1 pick.

[Jstock12]

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8/8 FT, 2/2 3pt

He is the #1 pick.

Yeah if Flagg is hitting his jumpshots, it's a no brainer. He puts himself into a tier of his own. Highest floor in the draft.