Trade Talk (Part 16): Early Season Anxiety Edition

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CHI IN: Jimmy B
MIA IN: Randle and Ball
UTA IN: Dosunmu, JJJ, Jovic, Duarte
MN IN: Sexton and Smith

Sexton-Mike-NAW-DD-ANT-Jaden-NAZ-Smith-Rudy
RD-Minott-Garza
Miller-TSJ
(Sets up 2nd trade of NAW or DD)

You had me scared when I saw Jimmy at the top!

I had to write it out with IN/OUT for multiple teams and got

CHI IN: Jimmy Butler
CHI OUT: Lonzo Ball, Jalen Smith, Ayo Dosunmu, Chris Duarte

MIA IN: Julius Randle, Lonzo Ball
MIA OUT: Jimmy Butler

UTA IN: Ayo Dosunmu, Chris Duarte, Jamie Jacquez Jr, Nikola Jovic
UTA OUT: Collin Sexton

MIN IN: Collin Sexton, Jalen Smith
MIN OUT: Julius Randle

Not bad. I will say that I think it’s hard for teams to do 4-for-1’s during the season, because they need to waive three of their own players before the trade can be accepted. I also think Sexton isn’t worth all that. But overall, I like the idea here.

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One question. If we trade Randle, do MIN need another play finisher (for instance, Cam Johnson)? Or facilitator (Lonzo Ball)?

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[minimus]

A massive trade idea. Main trade: Randle, DET FRP for Jon Isaac and Goga Bitadze. Then NAW for Tristan Da Silva, TSJ for C.Houstan (waive).

Why for MIN: we get a lot of size at backup C/PF, we get wing depth.

Why for ORL: they had bad fortune with all injuries and can afford playing Randle till next season, while NAW fits their defensive mentality, basically being a younger version of KCP. I can see KCP-NAW-Suggs being a very tough defensive backcourt.

Gobert/Bitadze/Reid
Reid/Isaac/Minott
McDaniels/Minott/Da Silva
Edwards/DDV + Clark
Conley/Dilly/DDV

[winforlose]

What do you guys think of Jose Alverado as a trade target. I see him as an upgraded JMAC, and I think he would be big for us. Plus money wise all we need to send out is Jingles. This would be part of a larger trade probably involving the return of the Pistons pick in exchange for them giving us a later first with the same protections (2028 maybe,) and a couple 2nds to the Pels. Thoughts?

[Klomp]

I think that's the definition of a poison pill...

They declined his Team Option for 25-26 in favor of the max extension allowed (3 years though, instead of 4). That would mean he would be about 2M outgoing for the Pacers, but like 19M coming into his new team.

This "poison pill" mechanism is not for all contract if i understand correctly, only 1st round rookie contract.
And Nembhard is a 2nd round pick, so his 2M salary for this year can be traded without taking into account is next extension.

I have to admit that I had to run it through the Spotrac Trade Checker, and that checker says the trade is legal.

Maybe when Larry Coon says “rookie contract,” he means “rookie scale contract,” not whatever contract a player had as a rookie. Not great writing on his part there.

If you want to confirm, you can ask the question on the RealGM CBA board, and DBoy or someone else will answer it.

I had this question answered weeks ago on the trade board.

Nope. He was a 2nd rounder, so his salary this year is all that’s used for matching this year. Ppp only applies to first round picks that extend a year early.

That always confused me, thanks!

Me too! I had to get confirmation from a league guy a couple years ago when I was wondering on the Gafford extension (before it had kicked in).

[BlacJacMac]

A massive trade idea. Main trade: Randle, DET FRP for Jon Isaac and Goga Bitadze. Then NAW for Tristan Da Silva, TSJ for C.Houstan (waive).

Why for MIN: we get a lot of size at backup C/PF, we get wing depth.

Why for ORL: they had bad fortune with all injuries and can afford playing Randle till next season, while NAW fits their defensive mentality, basically being a younger version of KCP. I can see KCP-NAW-Suggs being a very tough defensive backcourt.

Gobert/Bitadze/Reid
Reid/Isaac/Minott
McDaniels/Minott/Da Silva
Edwards/DDV + Clark
Conley/Dilly/DDV

Why do the Da Silva trade if he's going to be your 11th man?

If we're going to trade NAW, it should be for a rotation piece - like a PG.

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A massive trade idea. Main trade: Randle, DET FRP for Jon Isaac and Goga Bitadze. Then NAW for Tristan Da Silva, TSJ for C.Houstan (waive).

Why for MIN: we get a lot of size at backup C/PF, we get wing depth.

Why for ORL: they had bad fortune with all injuries and can afford playing Randle till next season, while NAW fits their defensive mentality, basically being a younger version of KCP. I can see KCP-NAW-Suggs being a very tough defensive backcourt.

Gobert/Bitadze/Reid
Reid/Isaac/Minott
McDaniels/Minott/Da Silva
Edwards/DDV + Clark
Conley/Dilly/DDV

I like Isaac, and I’ve talked to the ORL posters many times about him, and they have always said he off the table. However, they say that about a lot of their guys though, so I’m not sure that opinion really reflects the actual Magic front office.

[BlacJacMac]

A massive trade idea. Main trade: Randle, DET FRP for Jon Isaac and Goga Bitadze. Then NAW for Tristan Da Silva, TSJ for C.Houstan (waive).

Why for MIN: we get a lot of size at backup C/PF, we get wing depth.

Why for ORL: they had bad fortune with all injuries and can afford playing Randle till next season, while NAW fits their defensive mentality, basically being a younger version of KCP. I can see KCP-NAW-Suggs being a very tough defensive backcourt.

Gobert/Bitadze/Reid
Reid/Isaac/Minott
McDaniels/Minott/Da Silva
Edwards/DDV + Clark
Conley/Dilly/DDV

I like Isaac, and I’ve talked to the ORL posters many times about him, and they have always said he off the table. However, they say that about a lot of their guys though, so I’m not sure that opinion really reflects the actual Magic front office.

Bitadze is the guy that interests me the most. He looks like a long-term starting center. He defends really well, he rebounds, he scores efficiently. He's young and super cheap for 2 more years.

No idea why the Magic would give him up.

[minimus]

A massive trade idea. Main trade: Randle, DET FRP for Jon Isaac and Goga Bitadze. Then NAW for Tristan Da Silva, TSJ for C.Houstan (waive).

Why for MIN: we get a lot of size at backup C/PF, we get wing depth.

Why for ORL: they had bad fortune with all injuries and can afford playing Randle till next season, while NAW fits their defensive mentality, basically being a younger version of KCP. I can see KCP-NAW-Suggs being a very tough defensive backcourt.

Gobert/Bitadze/Reid
Reid/Isaac/Minott
McDaniels/Minott/Da Silva
Edwards/DDV + Clark
Conley/Dilly/DDV

I like Isaac, and I’ve talked to the ORL posters many times about him, and they have always said he off the table. However, they say that about a lot of their guys though, so I’m not sure that opinion really reflects the actual Magic front office.

Bitadze is the guy that interests me the most. He looks like a long-term starting center. He defends really well, he rebounds, he scores efficiently. He's young and super cheap for 2 more years.

No idea why the Magic would give him up.

Because Wagner brother plays same position?

[BlacJacMac]

I like Isaac, and I’ve talked to the ORL posters many times about him, and they have always said he off the table. However, they say that about a lot of their guys though, so I’m not sure that opinion really reflects the actual Magic front office.

Bitadze is the guy that interests me the most. He looks like a long-term starting center. He defends really well, he rebounds, he scores efficiently. He's young and super cheap for 2 more years.

No idea why the Magic would give him up.

Because Wagner brother plays same position?

Then why do they want Randle?

Its a great trade for us, but it doesn't make any sense for Orlando. Bitzdze and Isaac combines are way better than Randle (especially on defense). And you're burying a guy who has started 26 games for them this year on the end of our bench.

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Bitadze is the guy that interests me the most. He looks like a long-term starting center. He defends really well, he rebounds, he scores efficiently. He's young and super cheap for 2 more years.

No idea why the Magic would give him up.

Because Wagner brother plays same position?

Then why do they want Randle?

Its a great trade for us, but it doesn't make any sense for Orlando. Bitzdze and Isaac combines are way better than Randle (especially on defense). And you're burying a guy who has started 26 games for them this year on the end of our bench.

Makes sense. My original idea was that Randle is temporary solution to replace Banchero and Wagner, while NAW (who is perfect fit in ORL defensive minded identity) and DET FRP are incentives. With regard to Bitadze and Isaac, my idea was that between Mo Wagner, Carter Jr, Isaac and Bitadze ORL have a lot of depth at PF/C so they can trade Bitadze and Isaac.

[minimus]

Please dont put McDaniels name in any trade talks. Thank you!

[FrenchMinnyFan]

Start to think that trading Randle if we expect decent return may not be easy.

[TimberKat]

Start to think that trading Randle if we expect decent return may not be easy.

That maybe why we have to keep show case him in the starting line up? Although, I would sell it as he is too similar to Ant but still an all star level player.

[minimus]

Assuming three things:

First, Minott belongs to rotation as defensive minded, high energy comboforward. Second, Ball stays healthy enough to play 20 mpg as backup PG. Finally, TC has confidence to resign NAW, Reid, Ball and Sharpe

MIN IN: Lonzo Ball, Day'Ron Sharpe, BRO SRP 2025
MIN OUT: Randle, DET FRP

CHI IN: Bogdanovic, Z.Williams, MIA SRP 2025
CHI OUT: Lonzo Ball

BRO IN: Randle, DET FRP
BRO OUT: Day'Ron Sharpe, Bogdanovic, Z.Williams, BRO SRP 2025, MIA SRP 2025

Gobert/Sharpe/Reid
Reid/Minott/McDaniels
McDaniels/NAW/Minott
Edwards/DDV/Ball + Clark
Ball/Conley/Dilly

[Norseman79]

How about Leonard Miller for Ulrich Chomche?

[Klomp]

With the starting lineup change, I think the Bulls trade concept becomes extremely unlikely (I had it around 20-40% likelihood up to that point). On this team, you'd be asking Ball to fill the role Conley just slid into. Because of that, Smith just doesn't pack enough trade punch.

[BlacJacMac]

Assuming three things:

First, Minott belongs to rotation as defensive minded, high energy comboforward. Second, Ball stays healthy enough to play 20 mpg as backup PG. Finally, TC has confidence to resign NAW, Reid, Ball and Sharpe

MIN IN: Lonzo Ball, Day'Ron Sharpe, BRO SRP 2025
MIN OUT: Randle, DET FRP

CHI IN: Bogdanovic, Z.Williams, MIA SRP 2025
CHI OUT: Lonzo Ball

BRO IN: Randle, DET FRP
BRO OUT: Day'Ron Sharpe, Bogdanovic, Z.Williams, BRO SRP 2025, MIA SRP 2025

Gobert/Sharpe/Reid
Reid/Minott/McDaniels
McDaniels/NAW/Minott
Edwards/DDV/Ball + Clark
Ball/Conley/Dilly

I'd do it. I'm still not sure I bring back NAW though. I'd rather trade him now than pay him Caruso's contract.

[Kineto]

Part of bigger trade, what do you think of this from wolves perspective ?

MIN
in : I. Stewart, K. Anderson, TOR 2025 2nd, WAS 2025 2nd, GSW 2nd
out : J. Randle, DET 2025 FRP (#14-#30)
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Why : MIN cut their losses with Randle and go back to the basics with 2 solid contributors who will help restore the defensive spirit of this team.
Stewart is young and under contract for 3 more years. He's a good rim protector with average 3pt skills. He will be a solid backup to Rudy and maybe a starter later if MIN decides to trade Gobert after this summer.
Slowmo was essential for Minni last year and he will help stabilise the bench by bringing some defence and playmaking.
The trade saves 9M in salary cap (and probably nearly 20-30M in effective payroll) for this year, and that should be enough for MIN to re-sign Naz Reid next year (but probably not enough to keep NAW).
The DET 1st is probably too much of a cost to dump Randle and get Stewart, but with two high second picks in exchange, it seems fair to me.
GSW give a 2nd to compensate Anderson contract.

DDV - ANT - McDaniels - Reid - Gobert
Conley - NAW - Slowmo - Stewart