Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[Betta Bulleavit]

I would if I felt like a different guy was better for my team, which the Bears obviously did. Lovie Smith wasn’t chopped liver. He had some really good years here and one could argue that he shouldn’t have been fired when he was.

He did have some good years. But just 4 10 win seasons in 9 years and missed the playoffs 6x including 3 straight years.

A superbowl appearance and a conference finals was impressive considering the talent and injuries the Bears had.

2 conference championship games actually. And we almost won that second one if not for the Cutler injury.

[Jcool0]

I would if I felt like a different guy was better for my team, which the Bears obviously did. Lovie Smith wasn’t chopped liver. He had some really good years here and one could argue that he shouldn’t have been fired when he was.

He did have some good years. But just 4 10 win seasons in 9 years and missed the playoffs 6x including 3 straight years.

The point remains that Lovie wasn’t a bad hire and one could easily argue that (despite the other two names that you mention) Smith was the right hire. Even during the rough seasons, that team always ran through a wall for him.

1 playoff appearance in his last 6 years. Maybe it was the wrong kind of wall?

[Betta Bulleavit]

He did have some good years. But just 4 10 win seasons in 9 years and missed the playoffs 6x including 3 straight years.

The point remains that Lovie wasn’t a bad hire and one could easily argue that (despite the other two names that you mention) Smith was the right hire. Even during the rough seasons, that team always ran through a wall for him.

1 playoff appearance in his last 6 years. Maybe it was the wrong kind of wall?

81 wins - 3rd best in franchise history
56% win % - also 3rd best in franchise history
3 division titles
COY -2005
1- NFC champion
2 - NFC title game appearances
8-11 mark vs GB (not great…but second only to Ditka and nobody else is particularly close)

Like I said, it was a good hire.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

So you would pass on Tom Coughlin? Oh and just because... Naperville's own Sean Payton was the Ben Johnson of 2004 and was given a big raise to stay in Dallas.

I would if I felt like a different guy was better for my team, which the Bears obviously did. Lovie Smith wasn’t chopped liver. He had some really good years here and one could argue that he shouldn’t have been fired when he was.

He did have some good years. But just 4 10 win seasons in 9 years and missed the playoffs 6x including 3 straight years.

To have 4 10-win seasons in 9 years without ever having a decent QB says something. Also having 4 10-win seasons and 6 seasons missing the playoffs equals 10 years.

[Jcool0]

The point remains that Lovie wasn’t a bad hire and one could easily argue that (despite the other two names that you mention) Smith was the right hire. Even during the rough seasons, that team always ran through a wall for him.

1 playoff appearance in his last 6 years. Maybe it was the wrong kind of wall?

81 wins - 3rd best in franchise history
56% win % - also 3rd best in franchise history
3 division titles
COY -2005
1- NFC champion
2 - NFC title game appearances
8-11 mark vs GB (not great…but second only to Ditka and nobody else is particularly close)

Like I said, it was a good hire.

So he is one of the best of a mostly bad group. If that's what you want to hang your hat on... I remember most Bears fans were glad when he was fired. Its only because they have one 10+ win season since that we get this revisionist history with him.

[patryk7754]

I think the best case scenario would be getting Johnson as HC and Carroll to play the Bruce arians/david Shaw role as a consultant type. He currently does that with Seattle but maybe he’d like a change of scenery if he can’t get a coaching job

[dice]

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[TheSuzerain]

I think the best case scenario would be getting Johnson as HC and Carroll to play the Bruce arians/david Shaw role as a consultant type. He currently does that with Seattle but maybe he’d like a change of scenery if he can’t get a coaching job

Doubt Johnson is interested in that setup.

[dice]

Apparently, the Lions game George McCaskey referred to being disappointed in Bears fans selling their tickets to Lions fans….George sold his own suite that day to …. Lions fans. That guy is a way bigger fraud than his image he likes to cultivate

why would a freaking mckaskey need weekly suite revenue anyway? give it to a friend or children's charity!

[nitetrain8603]

Are we really arguing Lovie Smith was not a great choice?

Holy moly we've gone full meatball. Lovie Smith was thee best defensive coordinator and was there hot first time coaching prospect. Parcells liked Payton but he didn't have the reputation that Lovie did yet.

Did Payton turn into a great choice? Yes. Doesn't mean Lovie was any less of one.

If you're arguing Lovie wasn't great or wasn't the right choice, you might as well check out of the team because you're not going to be happy with any choice.

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[dice]

Bears haven't picked the right head coach since Ditka in 1982. So i guess? Im not exactly super pumped over Josh McDaniels or Tommy Reese.

People judge the coach solely on whether or not they win, and win big. It's often not really the coach that determines that. So to say the Bears, or McCaskey, has picked the wrong coach for all these years is not really accurate, IMO.

Its 100% accurate. McCaskey's have always been the owners and have always picked the people to run the Bears. There is a reason the Bears have zero playoff wins since George took over. Because they don't know what they are doing. They passed on Bruce Arians because he wouldn't do a mock press conference and hired CFL coach Marc Trestman. As far as coaching impact in the NBA maybe a coach isn't as meaningful to wins. But in the NFL coaching in king.

the argument could be made that lovie was a better pick than ditka. buddy built that historic defense and mcmahon didn't listen to iron mike

[patryk7754]

I think the best case scenario would be getting Johnson as HC and Carroll to play the Bruce arians/david Shaw role as a consultant type. He currently does that with Seattle but maybe he’d like a change of scenery if he can’t get a coaching job

Doubt Johnson is interested in that setup.

Doubt you or I know have any idea what Johnson would be interested in. But I’d does make sense for anyone to want the personnel consulting from a suberbowl winning/hof coach

[dice]

Are we really arguing Lovie Smith was not a great choice?

Holy moly we've gone full meatball. Lovie Smith was thee best defensive coordinator and was there hot first time coaching prospect. Parcells liked Payton but he didn't have the reputation that Lovie did yet.

Did Payton turn into a great choice? Yes. Doesn't mean Lovie was any less of one.

If you're arguing Lovie wasn't great or wasn't the right choice, you might as well check out of the team because you're not going to be happy with any choice.

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why did lovie fail miserably at 3 subsequent gigs?

[patryk7754]

We signed 9 guys to future contracts. I think the most notable is center Ricky Stromberg. He was a highly rated center but had a bad injury with Washington. Great benefit that’s he’s already been with the team for a few weeks now. He may be a great candidate for being a “center in waiting” if we sign a vet like Ryan Kelly. That would be my 1/1a preferred strategy. 1a would be just acquiring a young top center for the long term like Josh meyers

[NZB2323]

He did have some good years. But just 4 10 win seasons in 9 years and missed the playoffs 6x including 3 straight years.

A superbowl appearance and a conference finals was impressive considering the talent and injuries the Bears had.

Bears had the best defense in the league (maybe one of the best all time) and probably win the Superbowl with a better QB. This wasn't some plucky underdog team.

Not many people were saying the Bears are going to be in the Superbowl in a couple years when we hired Lovie.

The Defense improved with Lovie. They went from 22nd to 13th with him the first year. In 2006 Mike Brown has a season ending injury in the comeback win against Arizona. Tommie Harris had a season ending injury against Minnesota week 13. Rex Grossman was the quarterback.

The Bears were a 3 point favorite over Sean Payton, Drew Brees, and the Saints in the conference championship game and won 39-14.

In the SuperBowl we had fumbles, Rex Grossman, and were facing an Indy team with a good running game and Peyton Manning. No other coach is winning that game for the Bears.

[NZB2323]

Are we really arguing Lovie Smith was not a great choice?

Holy moly we've gone full meatball. Lovie Smith was thee best defensive coordinator and was there hot first time coaching prospect. Parcells liked Payton but he didn't have the reputation that Lovie did yet.

Did Payton turn into a great choice? Yes. Doesn't mean Lovie was any less of one.

If you're arguing Lovie wasn't great or wasn't the right choice, you might as well check out of the team because you're not going to be happy with any choice.

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why did lovie fail miserably at 3 subsequent gigs?

Why did Ditka fail with the Saints? Does that mean he was the wrong choice in 1983?

Why have the Bears failed miserably since Lovie?

[patryk7754]

https://youtu.be/Dxe-V-71cHM?si=REgKQPf-lBNwFFCu

This guy does a really good job of summing up why I think Pete Carroll would be an excellent hire. Again, the age isn’t something to sneeze at but the 5/6 years he’s our head coach will be great. H


Still think Johnson should be our number one guy but Carrolls elite football knowledge and ability to set a culture is why I think he’d be a great asset in a front office role. Both poles and Johnson can lean on him. This is all assuming he doesn’t over step and try do Johnson’s job for him, which I don’t think there’s anything publicly known about Carroll that would indicate he’d do something like that

[patryk7754]

I think the bears are at. 17 interviews

[nomorezorro]

Apparently, the Lions game George McCaskey referred to being disappointed when Lions fans buying their tickets from Bears fans….George sold his own suite that day to …. Lions fans. That guy is a way bigger fraud than his image he likes to cultivate

Ownership sucks. No two ways about that.

I'd like to see a source on that. It sounds phony.

the actual context of what mccaskey said was that he was disheartened that there were enough lions fans at soldier field for there to be audible pro-lions chants, and he said the front office needs to do a better job of building a team that's playing important football in december so fans don't feel disinterested enough to sell their tickets. direct quote:

It's understandable that there's fans who sell their tickets because of the way the season has gone. And the challenge for us is to put a team on the field that Bears fans are so excited about they're not interested in selling their tickets.

[Dresden]

Warren calls out the "passionate" nature of Bears fans: “Go into the search without your mind made up,” Warren said. “You need to go into the searches wide open and look at it from a global standpoint. Having a standard. What are we looking for? It takes a certain kind of person, and I say this lovingly, with all respect: This is a phenomenal franchise [but] our fan base is, because they’re so passionate, you have to be sturdy. You have to be disciplined.

“You have to be strong here in Chicago.”

Sounds to me like he's pointing out how reactionary many fans can be....