Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[yannisk]

Between Mids and Beal the 6th man role has become very expensive. LOL Come to think of we now have 2 6th men. 6A and 6B.

let's get rid of 6B for a defensive 4/5

[ShootingtheJ]

Between Mids and Beal the 6th man role has become very expensive. LOL Come to think of we now have 2 6th men. 6A and 6B.

let's get rid of 6B for a defensive 4/5

Who's that player? There seems to be a real shortage of them.

[raferfenix]

So based on the Spurs game alone:

Khris + Bobby + Pat for Jimmy would be almost purely additive.

What pick/s we’d need to trade matters a ton but doesn’t impact this year.

We’d want another big to replace Bobby’s rebounding but seems like we could do that swapping minimum guys.

To be clear I’m mixed on Butler — few others could cause more drama and an extension could easily become rancid.

But Prince pretending to be a starting caliber SF is obviously a weak link, especially when you also have slow pokes like Brook and Bobby rounding out the rotation.

[Profound23]

Between Mids and Beal the 6th man role has become very expensive. LOL Come to think of we now have 2 6th men. 6A and 6B.

let's get rid of 6B for a defensive 4/5

Trading Khris for a defensive 4/5 means we have a logjam at the 4/5 spot, unless you're thinking of putting Giannis at SF.

[ShootingtheJ]

So based on the Spurs game alone:

Khris + Bobby + Pat for Jimmy would be almost purely additive.

The Bucks absolutely rolled last night when Khris was in, especially when he was playing PG.

Dealing Bobby for a combo forward has always been the play. 3 team deal, throw in our 2031 1st if needed.

As for backup center, I still like the Spurs Charles Bassey.

[slos]

Chemistry looks better with Midds coming from the bench. It’s nice when teams are done with Dame/Giannis having to face Midds too.

I also like Doc splitting Brook/Bobby time according to matchups and performance. It’s something new when you are used to Bud’s standard rotations no matter what happens in the court.

AJJ/Green/Trent have also adopted in their roles and have become super useful pieces.

Looking for upgrades obviously Jimmy is nice, but maybe it’s just better settling for a cheap starting SF to replace Prince.

[yannisk]

Between Mids and Beal the 6th man role has become very expensive. LOL Come to think of we now have 2 6th men. 6A and 6B.

let's get rid of 6B for a defensive 4/5

Trading Khris for a defensive 4/5 means we have a logjam at the 4/5 spot, unless you're thinking of putting Giannis at SF.

for me Portis is the 6B (more like 6Z but never mind)

[raferfenix]

Dealing Bobby for a combo forward has always been the play. 3 team deal, throw in our 2031 1st if needed.

Looking for upgrades obviously Jimmy is nice, but maybe it’s just better settling for a cheap starting SF to replace Prince.

Ok let's say Khris is a Joe Ingles point forward who plays defense mostly via veteran moxie alone

Prince calls himself a PF but is playing a combo forward role here -- he just can't rebound due to how his feet are stuck in concrete

Basically I could see having an athletic true SF who can defend up and down a position is the move (Jimmy or no Jimmy).

Then whoever is left between Khris and Prince is the combo forward.

[raferfenix]

Playing with scenarios where we take on Wiggins’ extra year to facilitate Jimmy to Golden State.

Got this to work contractually via spotrac, no small feat.

Not saying this is final deal as a whole lot of players would need to be waived at least. An expanded deal with another team/s or technically separate trades would probably be involved, as I’m imagining we’d liquidate Bobby or Prince as part of this somehow.

And I just punted on what picks would be involved — whether we include the 2031 first or other assets (maybe receiving seconds back) is a big question:

Bucks trade: Middleton
Bucks receive: Wiggins, Trayce Jackson-Davis, Santos

Heat trade: Jimmy
Heat receive: Kuminga, Middleton, Payton, Waters via Min.

Warriors trade: Kuminga, Wiggins, Jackson-Davis, Payton, Waters
Warriors receive: Jimmy

[Ron Swanson]

Why are we taking on Wiggins' contract with such little incentive though? Or are we doing the pendulum thing and buying into him as a plus value player/asset again? Now that he's about to be on the wrong side of 30, I want no part of the Andrew Wiggins roller-coaster. At least with that proposed Beal trade to facilitate Jimmy to PHX, we're getting a good prospect and a 1st round pick.

[tydett]

I don't really want to think about it, but there's a distinct possibility that the Bucks' most valuable asset is actually AJ Green,

[mlloyd10]

So based on the Spurs game alone:

Khris + Bobby + Pat for Jimmy would be almost purely additive.

The Bucks absolutely rolled last night when Khris was in, especially when he was playing PG.

Dealing Bobby for a combo forward has always been the play. 3 team deal, throw in our 2031 1st if needed.

As for backup center, I still like the Spurs Charles Bassey.

1. admit you are Khris Middleton
2. This is why the +/- stat sucks...Watching the game yesterday, you saw that Bobby and Khris both looked really bad.
3. You keep mentioning the playoffs last year..easier to get those numbers when you #1 didn't play at all
4. We all like Middleton, but can his health be trusted,

[ShootingtheJ]

So based on the Spurs game alone:

Khris + Bobby + Pat for Jimmy would be almost purely additive.

The Bucks absolutely rolled last night when Khris was in, especially when he was playing PG.

Dealing Bobby for a combo forward has always been the play. 3 team deal, throw in our 2031 1st if needed.

As for backup center, I still like the Spurs Charles Bassey.

1. admit you are Khris Middleton
2. This is why the +/- stat sucks...Watching the game yesterday, you saw that Bobby and Khris both looked really bad.
3. You keep mentioning the playoffs last year..easier to get those numbers when you #1 didn't play at all
4. We all like Middleton, but can his health be trusted,

The Bucks have consistently rolled when using the Middleton at PG lineup this year. That lineup gets great ball movement. There's more than a 1 game sample.

Having Giannis out in the playoffs leaves more shots available but also let's the defense key on him. You still have to make the shots, create the shots for others, and grab the rebounds. He did all those things.

[ShootingtheJ]

Why are we taking on Wiggins' contract with such little incentive though? Or are we doing the pendulum thing and buying into him as a plus value player/asset again? Now that he's about to be on the wrong side of 30, I want no part of the Andrew Wiggins roller-coaster. At least with that proposed Beal trade to facilitate Jimmy to PHX, we're getting a good prospect and a 1st round pick.

What's the other proposal you're referring to?

[mlloyd10]

Bucks get: Durant/Plumlee/Oghodaro
Heat get: Wiggins/Pat C/GPII/Kuminga/Bucks 2031 1st / Warriors 2028 1st
Suns get: Butler/Richardson/Johnson
Warriors get: Middleton/Portis

Bucks get: Durant/Plumlee/Oghodaro
Heat get: Wiggins/Portis/Pat C/Bucks 2031 1st
Suns get: Butler/Podziemski/Santos
Warriors get: Middleton

[Ron Swanson]

Bit of a random note, but I remember some talk over the summer about trading one of our big salary pieces (probably Brook) for Keldon Johnson, and I hope last night's game finally killed that idea. Dude is terrible and even on the rare occasion when he's hitting shots, he's still such an overall non-factor on the court. His descending contract doesn't make him less trash of a player. Only guy on that roster (other than Wemby of course) that I'd want for this team is Vassell, and the shine has worn off a bit with him even.

[Daver]

Chemistry looks better with Midds coming from the bench. It’s nice when teams are done with Dame/Giannis having to face Midds too.

I also like Doc splitting Brook/Bobby time according to matchups and performance. It’s something new when you are used to Bud’s standard rotations no matter what happens in the court.

AJJ/Green/Trent have also adopted in their roles and have become super useful pieces.

Looking for upgrades obviously Jimmy is nice, but maybe it’s just better settling for a cheap starting SF to replace Prince.

Absolutely agree with trent finding his stroke again n green becoming very useful.But wtf has AJax done in his 11 mins to be useful go scoreless again.Fu... dude is brutal he hurts the team more on the O side(no one even covers him when he has the ball)then ge helps the team on the D side.
Either green or trent need to start at the 2

[ShootingtheJ]

If the Cavs target Cam Johnson, and there's some speculation they might, I'd be elated to swoop in there and grab Isaac Okoro. Deal Bobby to a 4th team for an expiring and draft compensation that would go to Brooklyn.

Okoro would be perfect here, and would allow us to start Green and send Ajax to the G League for seasoning.

[WeMajor34]

I don't really want to think about it, but there's a distinct possibility that the Bucks' most valuable asset is actually AJ Green,

I agree. For example, if AJ was thrown in with Khris/Bobby in that hypothetical Butler trade, Miami would immediately take it, regardless of what Butler wanted.

I wouldn’t trade AJ but that’s the level of value that he carries, especially with that scam of a contract. One of the best shooters in the league with one of the best value-contracts in the league.

[Ron Swanson]

Why are we taking on Wiggins' contract with such little incentive though? Or are we doing the pendulum thing and buying into him as a plus value player/asset again? Now that he's about to be on the wrong side of 30, I want no part of the Andrew Wiggins roller-coaster. At least with that proposed Beal trade to facilitate Jimmy to PHX, we're getting a good prospect and a 1st round pick.

What's the other proposal you're referring to?

Idk exactly but it was something like Beal, Dunn, Oso, and that one PHX 1st they can trade. I don't want Beal at all but it was at least adequate compensation for taking on his albatross contract.