Assigned Teams Non Draft - Discussion

[durantbird]

Only two teams that posted their lineups used a non All-Star center. Turner for Indy and Wemby for Spurs, the latter should be an All-Star center in about a month. Sabonis would've been a good optional pairing with Giannis but he wasn't selected.

We usually take the cheap All-Star centers for granted, but this kind of game which forces strong limitations emphasizes how important the center position is. It's not something you wanna compromise on, even if it means you compromise somewhat on your perimeter offensive guys.

[Snakebites]

I do not remember AK47 or Korver being Allstars. To my surprise....they both were.

Korver was a weird one where they rewarded the Hawks for being a surprise 60-win team (Jeff Teague also made it). I believe he was an injury replacement as well.

AK-47 should have made one or two more if anything.

Yeah AK was a full on star in 2004. 7.2 VORP.

For me center was easy- I couldn’t afford and didn’t need another perimeter all star so using the slot on Chandler was natural.

[durantbird]

I'm pro trying it as a draft. I'd consider changing the Finals MVP rule a bit - instead of including every Finals MVP guy in category 1, just include "MVP or Finals MVP who ever won All NBA First as well". I don't see a reason Billups, Parker, Pierce, Worthy, Brown, Dumars, Iggy, DJ, etc. should be considered category 1. But it keeps guys like Kawhi, Wade and West in category 1 which makes more sense.

Agree with that adjustment.

When you say trying it as a draft, do you mean a full draft or just drafting the teams?

I meant drafting the teams. I'd also do it two round not three, I think. Though my feeling on two versus three isn't strong.

[Fadeaway_J]

I'm pro trying it as a draft. I'd consider changing the Finals MVP rule a bit - instead of including every Finals MVP guy in category 1, just include "MVP or Finals MVP who ever won All NBA First as well". I don't see a reason Billups, Parker, Pierce, Worthy, Brown, Dumars, Iggy, DJ, etc. should be considered category 1. But it keeps guys like Kawhi, Wade and West in category 1 which makes more sense.

Agree with that adjustment.

When you say trying it as a draft, do you mean a full draft or just drafting the teams?

I meant drafting the teams. I'd also do it two round not three, I think. Though my feeling on two versus three isn't strong.

The only issue with three is that it limits the number of drafters to 10.

[flaco]

Agree with that adjustment.

When you say trying it as a draft, do you mean a full draft or just drafting the teams?

I meant drafting the teams. I'd also do it two round not three, I think. Though my feeling on two versus three isn't strong.

The only issue with three is that it limits the number of drafters to 10.

Having 3 rounds makes it easier to build cohesive teams. For instance, it's relatively easy to pick 2 players from the Hawks. Not so much if half your team needs to be from the Hawks. We could also include an upper limit of 3 players per selected team to mitigate the impact of certain OP franchises (Celtics, Lakers, Spurs are probably the top 3).

That said, we may actually want to make the game more challenging. Both options are legit.

[Larry_Russell]

I do not remember AK47 or Korver being Allstars. To my surprise....they both were.

Korver was a weird one where they rewarded the Hawks for being a surprise 60-win team (Jeff Teague also made it). I believe he was an injury replacement as well.

AK-47 should have made one or two more if anything.

Yeah AK was a full on star in 2004. 7.2 VORP.

For me center was easy- I couldn’t afford and didn’t need another perimeter all star so using the slot on Chandler was natural.

I wanted to use Stockton (although I know the fit with Lebron would have been questioned) and my center choices were pretty bleak overall (excluding Mourning of course)

I found thanks to Korver, Jones, AK, Hornacek, Hayward, a bunch of my good wing players were allstars, so I couldnt use them because I HAD to go with a category 2 for my center.

I suppose I could have went Bam, but IMO Mourning is miles better and actually a little cheaper in peak season as well.

[Fadeaway_J]

I meant drafting the teams. I'd also do it two round not three, I think. Though my feeling on two versus three isn't strong.

The only issue with three is that it limits the number of drafters to 10.

Having 3 rounds makes it easier to build cohesive teams. For instance, it's relatively easy to pick 2 players from the Hawks. Not so much if half your team needs to be from the Hawks. We could also include an upper limit of 3 players per selected team to mitigate the impact of certain OP franchises (Celtics, Lakers, Spurs are probably the top 3).

That said, we may actually want to make the game more challenging. Both options are legit.

Part of the challenge with cohesiveness was that durantbird had to come up with tiers and then assign teams randomly. I think he did a great job, but there's no way to predict how well the two teams mesh from the standpoint of creating a combined roster. If everyone can choose their own two teams, we shouldn't have the same issue. I also don't like the idea of people not being to participate in a game because we've cut it off at 10.

[Snakebites]

I kind of liked that I needed to do something different because the limited pool of players made it too hard to build a more typical team.

[durantbird]

I think OKC Orlando can be the basis for the team that will win this. Question is when Jimmy will submit his team. It's already past deadline but I'll wait a bit more.

[Fadeaway_J]

We need votes in the previous game.

[durantbird]

Please send me your rankings for the other 11 teams by tomorrow 1pm EDT. Already sent mine to GeorgeMarcus

We'll only use rankings to decide the winner.

Please be explicit about who is first and who is last, so I don't have doubts.

[durantbird]

I'm pro trying it as a draft. I'd consider changing the Finals MVP rule a bit - instead of including every Finals MVP guy in category 1, just include "MVP or Finals MVP who ever won All NBA First as well". I don't see a reason Billups, Parker, Pierce, Worthy, Brown, Dumars, Iggy, DJ, etc. should be considered category 1. But it keeps guys like Kawhi, Wade and West in category 1 which makes more sense.

Agree with that adjustment.

When you say trying it as a draft, do you mean a full draft or just drafting the teams?

Should we include Tatum in category 1 as well? We can say conference finals MVPs who were All NBA First are also included. That also blocks Luka Dirk

[Fadeaway_J]

I'm pro trying it as a draft. I'd consider changing the Finals MVP rule a bit - instead of including every Finals MVP guy in category 1, just include "MVP or Finals MVP who ever won All NBA First as well". I don't see a reason Billups, Parker, Pierce, Worthy, Brown, Dumars, Iggy, DJ, etc. should be considered category 1. But it keeps guys like Kawhi, Wade and West in category 1 which makes more sense.

Agree with that adjustment.

When you say trying it as a draft, do you mean a full draft or just drafting the teams?

Should we include Tatum in category 1 as well? We can say conference finals MVPs who were All NBA First are also included. That also blocks Luka Dirk

I don't think either Tatum or Luka is OP in that category if everyone gets to choose their own teams. Luka-Dirk is super talented, but it has some flaws (mainly defensive) and wouldn't be my ideal choice of a pairing for either player.

As we've seen with the current version, categories 3 and 4 are the real difference-makers.

[wackbone]

Jimmy only has 3 Magic players, right? Or am I missing something?

[JimmyPlopper]

Jimmy only has 3 Magic players, right? Or am I missing something?

Good catch - I just changed it if it s not too late. Forum has been down today.

[Snakebites]

I think the Suns/Knicks was probably the toughest draw in this one.

The Suns are a great team with a lot of really solid options to build with. I don't think the Knicks were a terrible lower tier team in this in a vacuum, but they don't have the right supporting pieces to complement a Suns core.

[JimmyPlopper]

I think the Suns/Knicks was probably the toughest draw in this one.

The Suns are a great team with a lot of really solid options to build with. I don't think the Knicks were a terrible lower tier team in this in a vacuum, but they don't have the right supporting pieces to complement a Suns core.

I agree - that's the toughest draw we had in this pool. Pretty much everyone else had an advantage

[durantbird]

Jimmy only has 3 Magic players, right? Or am I missing something?

Good catch - I just changed it if it s not too late. Forum has been down today.

My take for OKC Magic was a Shaq build.

Penny / McMillan
Allen / McMillan
JDub / Sefolosha
Grant / JDub
Shaq / Gortat

My initial instinct was building a KD team but I think Shaq was more convenient here

[JimmyPlopper]

Jimmy only has 3 Magic players, right? Or am I missing something?

Good catch - I just changed it if it s not too late. Forum has been down today.

My take for OKC Magic was a Shaq build.

Penny / McMillan
Allen / McMillan
JDub / Sefolosha
Grant / JDub
Shaq / Gortat

My initial instinct was building a KD team but I think Shaq was more convenient here

That's a fun and totally different look. For my part, I appreciated Sikmas ability to stretch the floor while reserving the MVP for a multidimensional scorer in Durant in his best season, and utilizing the FGA savings to upgrade from overly relying on rookie/soph Williams

[JimmyPlopper]

DB, for yours I would have taken MVP Magic instead of Lakers version of LeBron. Two other teams have LeBron in this one and better versions of him (IMO)