2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[Ell Curry]

If we let our expirings expire, and also trade Poeltl & Barrett for picks and expirings how much cap space would that create? I think throwing a big offer at Turner would serve a duel purpose. By trading Poeltl and RJ we get worse and tank harder for Flagg, then we fill the C spot with Turner.

Turner / Olynyk / Fleming
Barnes / Mogbo
Flagg / Battle
Dick / Walter
IQ / Shead

That looks better than what we are currently running with. Even if we land 5-10th and draft a player like McNeeley we'd be better than what we currently are. IND without Turner will be a straight dumpster fire next year and could translate into a pick in the top 10.

In a previous post ITT you called RJ's contract toxic and said "no one is giving up assets for him"

Now you're saying we can trade RJ for picks/expirings.

If RJ is as bad as you say he is and is a toxic asset why would any GM give up even an expiring for him? This is beyond delusional.

I'm not Thaddy, but I will say that you only need one GM.

Bulls gave up a reported Caruso return that was multiple firsts to bring in an RJ type in Giddey. There might be one or two GMs out there who think they'll get fired if they don't win 40 games and RJ can help them.

Also you can end up in a situation where taking on some money is fine, like the Clippers could do RJ for Tucker + Mann with the idea that RJ can bolster their shaky offence (22nd on O and it's even worse when Harden or Powell sits) and help them be a consistent playoff team while Kawhi gets his regular season rest. All they give up is Mann + 20M to use on non-tax MLE/Coffey/Bones. Barrett might make more sense for them with their great D and bad O and the Kawhi minutes managing situation (and it's time to start playing Harden a little less when possible in the regular season, he's played more minutes than guys like Kevin Willis, Lowry, Dominique, Dwyane Wade, and you can see it when he's playing good teams or trying to finish inside the 3pt line now).

And then I do think we could move Mann for expirings, he's a solid bench player who hits 3s and plays D.

[CazOnReal]

If we let our expirings expire, and also trade Poeltl & Barrett for picks and expirings how much cap space would that create? I think throwing a big offer at Turner would serve a duel purpose. By trading Poeltl and RJ we get worse and tank harder for Flagg, then we fill the C spot with Turner.

Turner / Olynyk / Fleming
Barnes / Mogbo
Flagg / Battle
Dick / Walter
IQ / Shead

That looks better than what we are currently running with. Even if we land 5-10th and draft a player like McNeeley we'd be better than what we currently are. IND without Turner will be a straight dumpster fire next year and could translate into a pick in the top 10.

In a previous post ITT you called RJ's contract toxic and said "no one is giving up assets for him"

Now you're saying we can trade RJ for picks/expirings.

If RJ is as bad as you say he is and is a toxic asset why would any GM give up even an expiring for him? This is beyond delusional.

RJ is as valuable as it allows me to push nonsensical what-ifs

[Pericles]

The Rockets are in early win now mode.
Reed Sheppard would be an amazing player for the
Raptors to target.

[mrdressup]

Trade this year's first round pick to the Nets for Cam Johnson. Can't miss opportunities like this. Getting a top young C big is getting in front of many years of development.

[Gavin_TDThree]

Trade this year's first round pick to the Nets for Cam Johnson. Can't miss opportunities like this. Getting a top young C big is getting in front of many years of development.

Cam Johnson of the Brooklyn Nets? He's 28 and like 6'8, more of a PF/SF. Did you mean Claxton?

[CazOnReal]

Trade this year's first round pick to the Nets for Cam Johnson. Can't miss opportunities like this. Getting a top young C big is getting in front of many years of development.

I'm assuming you mean Nic Claxton? Since I don't think Day'Ron Sharpe has enough value to get a first (tho honestly Claxton has been playing pretty terribly this year so he might not even fetch a first).

I'm opposed to either of them or Cam for this season but I do think trading the 2026 pick is on the table since the Pacers have started to get back to their usual output on offense and their defense has picked up.

[LoveMyRaps]

Would Pels accept RJ Barrett + 2026 IND 1st for Trey Murphy?

[Psubs]

Would Pels accept RJ Barrett + 2026 IND 1st for Trey Murphy?

Would you if you were them? They would do it for Zion.

[CazOnReal]

Would Pels accept RJ Barrett + 2026 IND 1st for Trey Murphy?

Neither team would do this.

Trey is allegedly untouchable and even if he wasn't, RJ's fit with Zion is very funky.

Again: The possibility of trading that 2026 Indy pick at the deadline isn't out of the realm of possibility...and it would be very funny to go 4/4 on trading a first the past deadlines. But I don't think it moves the needle for New Orleans.

[Zeno]

On the Kevin O’Conner show, Tom Haberstroh suggested Minny should dump Randle to the Raptors with the Detroit 2025 1st for Brown and Boucher. Now I know that with our pick would put us like 10 million into the tax if Randle opts in, but would you do it assuming you could dump Kelly for expirings contracts?

[anotherhomer]

On the Kevin O’Conner show, Tom Haberstroh suggested Minny should dump Randle to the Raptors with the Detroit 2025 1st for Brown and Boucher. Now I know that with our pick would put us like 10 million into the tax if Randle opts in, but would you do it assuming you could dump Kelly for expirings contracts?

why would minny do that?

[Zeno]

On the Kevin O’Conner show, Tom Haberstroh suggested Minny should dump Randle to the Raptors with the Detroit 2025 1st for Brown and Boucher. Now I know that with our pick would put us like 10 million into the tax if Randle opts in, but would you do it assuming you could dump Kelly for expirings contracts?

why would minny do that?

I guess if it that bad there and they can solve all their financial problems next year in one trade because he has a player option.

[Ell Curry]

Would Pels accept RJ Barrett + 2026 IND 1st for Trey Murphy?

Neither team would do this.

Trey is allegedly untouchable and even if he wasn't, RJ's fit with Zion is very funky.

Again: The possibility of trading that 2026 Indy pick at the deadline isn't out of the realm of possibility...and it would be very funny to go 4/4 on trading a first the past deadlines. But I don't think it moves the needle for New Orleans.

Absolutely we'd do this. No way New Orleans does. Murphy is really good, he'd be at worst our 2nd best 2-way player.

[LoveMyRaps]

Would Pels accept RJ Barrett + 2026 IND 1st for Trey Murphy?

Neither team would do this.

Trey is allegedly untouchable and even if he wasn't, RJ's fit with Zion is very funky.

Again: The possibility of trading that 2026 Indy pick at the deadline isn't out of the realm of possibility...and it would be very funny to go 4/4 on trading a first the past deadlines. But I don't think it moves the needle for New Orleans.

Absolutely we'd do this. No way New Orleans does. Murphy is really good, he'd be at worst our 2nd best 2-way player.

I'd do Barrett + Walter + 2026 IND First Round Pick + 2025 POR Second Round Pick

[Psubs]

On the Kevin O’Conner show, Tom Haberstroh suggested Minny should dump Randle to the Raptors with the Detroit 2025 1st for Brown and Boucher. Now I know that with our pick would put us like 10 million into the tax if Randle opts in, but would you do it assuming you could dump Kelly for expirings contracts?

why would minny do that?

Juilis Randle, Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Joe Ingles and 1st pick
For
Bruce Brown, Ochai Agbaji, Kelly Olynyk and 2025 2nd pick (Por)

NAW should get a raise next season. Letting Brown walk should have them able to spend the MLE and stay under the tax next season.

[CazOnReal]

On the Kevin O’Conner show, Tom Haberstroh suggested Minny should dump Randle to the Raptors with the Detroit 2025 1st for Brown and Boucher. Now I know that with our pick would put us like 10 million into the tax if Randle opts in, but would you do it assuming you could dump Kelly for expirings contracts?

why would minny do that?

Two reasons:
1. Converts Randy's salary into two roleplayers. I think Kelly makes more sense than Boucher due to his floorspacing or Davion Mitchell since the Wolves need an upgrade at point as Conley falls apart but I digress.
2. Guarantees they're out of out Randle's 2nd year i.e. no what ifs about him opting out. Also Randle just seems to be causing bad vibes for the Wolves so addition by subtraction.

I think the Raptors would bite on such a deal but they'd likely try to flip Julius in the offseason (Lakers?) or prior to the deadline.

[bballsparkin]

The Rockets are in early win now mode.
Reed Sheppard would be an amazing player for the
Raptors to target.

I would have to think that the Rockets value Reed quite a bit. Not sure I'd want to meet their asking price.

[CazOnReal]

So Bruce + Boucher won't work but Bruce + Davion works, as does Kelly + Boucher + Davion.

[Thaddy]

https://youtu.be/7AKVs6H1DOE?si=uquaermqMgay1zry&t=446

Tom Haberstroh suggests Randle + 2025 DET 1st (lottery protected) for Brown, Boucher, and some of our veteran expirings because of their tax issues.

We would eat a year of Randle's contract. It would be adding another non shooter but it could be okay if he's willing to be a small ball center like Nance. I can't see him being much worse than Boucher. Minnesota would get 2 role players and cut down their cap figures enough to get under the apron.

We would get a top 5 pick in 2025 and if Detroit makes the playoffs 2nd 1st in the 15-19 range. Otherwise these are the protections for that pick.

Detroit's 1st round pick to Minnesota protected for selections 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Minnesota by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Minnesota (via Houston to Oklahoma City to New York)

Brown + Mitchell for Randle + DET 1st
Olynyk for Looney + 2nd (avoid apron)
Boucher for Hyland + Tucker (waive) + 2 2nds

Draft top 5, mid first (McNeeley), and 2nd (Fleming)

Poeltl / Randle / Fleming
Barnes / Mogbo
TOP 5 / Walter / McNeeley
Dick / Barrett
Quickely / Barrett

[JRoy]

Would Pels accept RJ Barrett + 2026 IND 1st for Trey Murphy?

No.

They might give cap space for that if they had it.