Thibs needs to go

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

100% bro. If you look at Ihart and break down his game. He is literally the apex predator when it comes to screening in the nba. Thibs didn't start using his angled screening until Randle and Mitch went down. By January he had no choice but to let Ihart get loose. Now all of a sudden Brunson was cooking.

By the time the playoffs rolled around all of a sudden half of the screens set by ihart became gortat screens anytime JB wasn't trapped. This led to JB being the highest scorer in the playoffs. As great as thibs is at player development we are at an endgame situation now with the all in roster. So we can't really have a guy taking too long to make adjustments.

Sims can't do any of the elite level screening Ihart does, can't catch below his knees and his timing is off on lobs. Meanwhile Huk flashes all of Ihart's screening potential rn. I doubt they make the change at the end of the season unless a catastrophic injury or playoff sweep happens, but here's to hoping lol.

That is a great interview with Iisalo. Thank you ctuk.

And he's so on point about trying to improve the TS% rather than just thinking about spamming 3s.

The Knicks need this guy badly imo.

I'm onboard with this Iisalo dude... the off ball and cutting movements are unbelievable.

I found myself dozing off watching Knicks games this year... yesterday we were trailing only 5-10 pts, still very winnable, but I dozed off.. the style of play is so boring and kills camaraderie and team chemistry. Thibs was lucky he had players like Divo and iHart last year who naturally kept moving, screening, and relocating and they massively influenced the way their other teammates to play the same play.

Huk has it, Sims doesn't. It's not particularly complicated.

[El Poochio]

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[TKKnicks1]

Man the Rockets were 20-21 last season after 41. They are 28-13 this season. Udoka got them playing some amazing spirited basketball. Can't believe Ime was actually available last season and the Knicks kept rolling with this fossil.

[cgmw]

The good news? Thibs 100% will be fired if the Knicks underperform the regular season.

I haven’t spoken the D word in a while, but I hope nobody has forgotten that Jim Dolan’s mandate is not “Championship.” Leon and Thibs job description is to fill the Garden on a nightly basis, which is why Thibs grinds so hard for regular season Ws.

If Thibs can’t keep up his end of the bargain, MSG will toss him out like yesterday’s Newsday.

Two years ago I predicted Thibs would be fired in Year 1 of his new contract, which is and always has been the Dolan way. The way things are going, I’d handicap the odds at 50-50 that he’s the coach starting 2025-26.

[Jalen Bluntson]

The good news? Thibs 100% will be fired if the Knicks underperform the regular season.

I haven’t spoken the D word in a while, but I hope nobody has forgotten that Jim Dolan’s mandate is not “Championship.” Leon and Thibs job description is to fill the Garden on a nightly basis, which is why Thibs grinds so hard for regular season Ws.

If Thibs can’t keep up his end of the bargain, MSG will toss him out like yesterday’s Newsday.

Two years ago I predicted Thibs would be fired in Year 1 of his new contract, which is and always has been the Dolan way. The way things are going, I’d handicap the odds at 50-50 that he’s the coach starting 2025-26.

Things are not looking good the last couple of weeks. I don't know what the expiration date is for Thibs but, I don't think he's on the hot seat right now. Losing games without KAT will kinda insulate him some. If the media buzz gets too loud though, that could put some pressure on things. I was getting used to not having major concerns the last few years. Here we go again.

[Clyde_Style]

The good news? Thibs 100% will be fired if the Knicks underperform the regular season.

I haven’t spoken the D word in a while, but I hope nobody has forgotten that Jim Dolan’s mandate is not “Championship.” Leon and Thibs job description is to fill the Garden on a nightly basis, which is why Thibs grinds so hard for regular season Ws.

If Thibs can’t keep up his end of the bargain, MSG will toss him out like yesterday’s Newsday.

Two years ago I predicted Thibs would be fired in Year 1 of his new contract, which is and always has been the Dolan way. The way things are going, I’d handicap the odds at 50-50 that he’s the coach starting 2025-26.

We've lost 6 out of the last 9 and often in embarrassing fashion.

The way we look now playing .500 ball the rest of the season would actually be optimistic. I'm not sure we can the way things are playing out now.

We do not have an extended win streak in the tank like before to puff up our record, not with our remaining schedule and the physical condition and undeveloped depth of the current roster.

.500 ball the rest of the way would put us in the 6-10 seed range.

Because we have hero ballers who will win us some games, it is not likely we'd completely implode and maintain our recent .333 pace, but if we did slip below .500 there would be the worst case scenario of not making the playoffs. Not likely, but possible if Thibs stays in charge because he's chitting the bed every game these days.

Best move is can him during the AS break, but that's probably a dream and a prayer and it will have to be in the off-season.

Thibs will not be the coach of the NY Knicks next season. If he is then this franchise has a death wish.

[Iron Mantis]

Man the Rockets were 20-21 last season after 41. They are 28-13 this season. Udoka got them playing some amazing spirited basketball. Can't believe Ime was actually available last season and the Knicks kept rolling with this fossil.

I was begging to get him...but nope, let another team snag him while we're stuck with a stubborn, rigid coach trapped in a bygone era.

[KOA]

Man the Rockets were 20-21 last season after 41. They are 28-13 this season. Udoka got them playing some amazing spirited basketball. Can't believe Ime was actually available last season and the Knicks kept rolling with this fossil.

I was begging to get him...but nope, let another team snag him while we're stuck with a stubborn, rigid coach trapped in a bygone era.

Knicks were 21-45 in 2019-2020 before Thibs and finished 41-31 in Thibs first season.

[Iron Mantis]

Man the Rockets were 20-21 last season after 41. They are 28-13 this season. Udoka got them playing some amazing spirited basketball. Can't believe Ime was actually available last season and the Knicks kept rolling with this fossil.

I was begging to get him...but nope, let another team snag him while we're stuck with a stubborn, rigid coach trapped in a bygone era.

Knicks were 21-45 in 2019-2020 before Thibs and finished 41-31 in Thibs first season.

And got waxed in a playoff series they were heavily favored to win.

Thibs raises a team's floor, lowers their ceiling.

[Enzo954]

At the end of the day, it's all about playoff performance. If we don't get to at least the ECF, Thibs is on the hot seat with the talent this squad has.

[HopelessKnick]

I agree with a lot here. Hartenstein played 16minutes until Mitch went down. That's a pretty big misjudgement of talent IMO. We gotta give Thibs credit for many things, but he clearly has some significant flaws as well.

Word in Germany at that point last season in december was that Hartenstein was pretty disgruntled in NY and wanted to leave---that was shortly before Mitch went down.

[Nostrand Ave]

Man the Rockets were 20-21 last season after 41. They are 28-13 this season. Udoka got them playing some amazing spirited basketball. Can't believe Ime was actually available last season and the Knicks kept rolling with this fossil.

I was begging to get him...but nope, let another team snag him while we're stuck with a stubborn, rigid coach trapped in a bygone era.

Udoka played for the Knicks too. So it's not like he doesn't have history.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

At the end of the day, it's all about playoff performance. If we don't get to at least the ECF, Thibs is on the hot seat with the talent this squad has.

We're headed for a 2nd round matchup with the Celtics, does anyone really believe he's going to out coach Mazzulla? In order to beat that team we're going to need him to think outside the box, play zone, mix up matchups etc. It's not happening if both teams are healthy.

[Jalen Bluntson]

At the end of the day, it's all about playoff performance. If we don't get to at least the ECF, Thibs is on the hot seat with the talent this squad has.

We're headed for a 2nd round matchup with the Celtics, does anyone really believe he's going to out coach Mazzulla? In order to beat that team we're going to need him to think outside the box, play zone, mix up matchups etc. It's not happening if both teams are healthy.

Thibs is garbage. His offense doesn't exist and his defense doesn't work in today's NBA. Trash on trash on trash.

[cgmw]

Two extreme examples of Thibs’ lunacy last night:

1) Nets tote out two 7 footers in the 3Q, grab 8 o-boards, Thibs makes no move to the bench, sticks with 6’4” Hart guarding 7” Claxton.

2) Knicks starters play 4Q visibly gassed, endure 13-3 run with only adjustment being Deuce for Mikal.

On the second half of a back-to-back against a G-Leage level depleted Nets team, Thibs 5 man rotation was so gassed that it scored 3 points for the first 10 mins of the 4Q. Say what you will about Deuce, Precious, Cam, Huk, Shamet, Sims and Kolec but they could have handled minutes against Nets G League.

In a room of 20,000 people, Thibs was the one and only person who didn’t see the need for subs.

Why does he do it? Is it really because he has no faith in the bench or is it some perverse attempt to make his starters tougher? So bizarre.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Two extreme examples of Thibs’ lunacy last night:

1) Nets tote out two 7 footers in the 3Q, grab 8 o-boards, Thibs makes no move to the bench, sticks with 6’4” Hart guarding 7” Claxton.

2) Knicks starters play 4Q visibly gassed, endure 13-3 run with only adjustment being Deuce for Mikal.

On the second half of a back-to-back against a G-Leage level depleted Nets team, Thibs 5 man rotation was so gassed that it scored 3 points for the first 10 mins of the 4Q. Say what you will about Deuce, Precious, Cam, Huk, Shamet, and Kolec but they could have handled minutes against Nets G League.

In a room of 20,000 people, Thibs was the one and only person who didn’t see the need for subs.

Why does he do it? Is it really because he has no faith in the bench or is it some perverse attempt to make his starters tougher? So bizarre.

Thibs is garbage. One of the worst HCs in the league.

[HopelessKnick]

How do you guys rate Payne so far? I think he is pretty solid but Thibs does not seem to be too found of him. I thought he has shot well enough and played well enough to deserve around 20 minutes a night but I was curious how you guys see him.

Same question for Precious: For me Precious is the prime candidate that you play in a shorthanded frontcourt rotation to spell other players. IMO he is a very good, long, mobile defender that is playable on offense too. Ever since his acqusition he has been a pleasant surprise IMO but again Thibs seems to like to limit his minutes. I think a Line-up with OG (or Hart) with Precious at PF and KAT at C should theoretically work well but we rarely see it.

Precious has hit 116 career three pointer as well and is a 60% Free throw shooter....he is not a good shooter by any stretch but IMO he has demonstrated enough ability on offense to play him 25-28 in a shorthanded frontcourt rotation because his defense is usually good and his motor is high. Would give some rest to our wings as well. Really don't get it.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

How do you guys rate Payne so far? I think he is pretty solid but Thibs does not seem to be too found of him. I thought he has shot well enough and played well enough to deserve around 20 minutes a night but I was curious how you guys see him.

Same question for Precious: For me Precious is the prime candidate that you play in a shorthanded frontcourt rotation to spell other players. IMO he is a very good, long, mobile defender that is playable on offense too. Ever since his acqusition he has been a pleasant surprise IMO but again Thibs seems to like to limit his minutes. I think a Line-up with OG (or Hart) with Precious at PF and KAT at C should theoretically work well but we rarely see it.

Precious has hit 116 career three pointer as well and is a 60% Free throw shooter....he is not a good shooter by any stretch but IMO he has demonstrated enough ability on offense to play him 25-28 in a shorthanded frontcourt rotation because his defense is usually good and his motor is high. Would give some rest to our wings as well. Really don't get it.

Payne leads the team in net rating and is +124 on the season despite how little he plays, it's honestly comical at this point, he's showing clear impact but doesn't play much because......just because.

[cgmw]

How do you guys rate Payne so far? I think he is pretty solid but Thibs does not seem to be too found of him. I thought he has shot well enough and played well enough to deserve around 20 minutes a night but I was curious how you guys see him.

Same question for Precious: For me Precious is the prime candidate that you play in a shorthanded frontcourt rotation to spell other players. IMO he is a very good, long, mobile defender that is playable on offense too. Ever since his acqusition he has been a pleasant surprise IMO but again Thibs seems to like to limit his minutes. I think a Line-up with OG (or Hart) with Precious at PF and KAT at C should theoretically work well but we rarely see it.

Precious has hit 116 career three pointer as well and is a 60% Free throw shooter....he is not a good shooter by any stretch but IMO he has demonstrated enough ability on offense to play him 25-28 in a shorthanded frontcourt rotation because his defense is usually good and his motor is high. Would give some rest to our wings as well. Really don't get it.

Payne leads the team in net rating and is +124 on the season despite how little he plays, it's honestly comical at this point, he's showing clear impact but doesn't play much because......just because.

This is why it’s so baffling. I think Thibs actually LOVES Payne and Deuce. I think he likes Precious a lot too.

But he doesn’t play them. Why?

[kNicksGmen]

How do you guys rate Payne so far? I think he is pretty solid but Thibs does not seem to be too found of him. I thought he has shot well enough and played well enough to deserve around 20 minutes a night but I was curious how you guys see him.

Same question for Precious: For me Precious is the prime candidate that you play in a shorthanded frontcourt rotation to spell other players. IMO he is a very good, long, mobile defender that is playable on offense too. Ever since his acqusition he has been a pleasant surprise IMO but again Thibs seems to like to limit his minutes. I think a Line-up with OG (or Hart) with Precious at PF and KAT at C should theoretically work well but we rarely see it.

Precious has hit 116 career three pointer as well and is a 60% Free throw shooter....he is not a good shooter by any stretch but IMO he has demonstrated enough ability on offense to play him 25-28 in a shorthanded frontcourt rotation because his defense is usually good and his motor is high. Would give some rest to our wings as well. Really don't get it.

Payne leads the team in net rating and is +124 on the season despite how little he plays, it's honestly comical at this point, he's showing clear impact but doesn't play much because......just because.

This is why it’s so baffling. I think Thibs actually LOVES Payne and Deuce. I think he likes Precious a lot too.

But he doesn’t play them. Why?

because he still views the starting 5 as the best lineup therefore plays them as much as humanly possible. it's all shortsighted.