2024-2025 Regular Season Game 45: Orlando Magic (23-21) vs Toronto Raptors (10-32) 7:30PM

[RookieStar]

He has lost so much bounce over the last 2 years. He was still under contract for another season, I have no idea why they needed to resign him last summer. The conditioning team needs to figure out how to get him back to where he was athletically.

Goga should be so insulted at what he was paid compared to WCJ. Goga is an actual difference maker and WCJ is a walking injury waiting to ruin any offensive possession. There was no need to re-up him so soon unless they were just trying to appease Mike Miller. That’s the only excuse. Especially since he got a giant raise in the extension which he’s completely undeserving of.

Goga outplayed Carter last season. We all saw it.

Mosely did Carter a HUGE favor by inserting him back into the starting lineup and pushing Goga back to the deep bench. Pretty much guaranteed him the contract he absolutely isn’t worth now. Killed all his trade value.
That decision should honestly be studied under a microscope.

Well... if what Mos did enabled us to sign Goga on such a cheap deal then it all worked out well for us no? Esp since he is our starter now.

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Goga should be so insulted at what he was paid compared to WCJ. Goga is an actual difference maker and WCJ is a walking injury waiting to ruin any offensive possession. There was no need to re-up him so soon unless they were just trying to appease Mike Miller. That’s the only excuse. Especially since he got a giant raise in the extension which he’s completely undeserving of.

Goga outplayed Carter last season. We all saw it.

Mosely did Carter a HUGE favor by inserting him back into the starting lineup and pushing Goga back to the deep bench. Pretty much guaranteed him the contract he absolutely isn’t worth now. Killed all his trade value.
That decision should honestly be studied under a microscope.

Well... if what Mos did enabled us to sign Goga on such a cheap deal then it all worked out well for us no? Esp since he is our starter now.

That decision is negated by signing a worse, more expensive, Center that got beat out of his position in less than 15 games anyway.

Carter should have been moved by the deadline last season when it was apparent Goga and Moe were enough.

Mosely basically hooked him up with a stupid contract he has no business with by starting him at the end of last season despite being obviously worse.

[SOUL]

Most annoying thing this did is give delusional Raptor fans ammo lol

[KillMonger]

No. His skillset relative to his position and the rest of the roster. The context of being a #6 pick and requiring him to step up in difficult situations.

His last 5 games against some of the best teams in the league he averaged 14/4/4 in like 25 minutes iirc.... Not too bad for me personally ,guess you're out on him

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“Out” as in .. I have a difficult time buying he’s a starter especially on this roster and with who they will pay.

Hes a good backup off the bench until he can prove he can prove otherwise.

That's fine.... but what I don't get is why does he have to show that right now though? What kind of timeline do you think we're on? People may realize we're further away than we thought...i don't have an issue with people wanting to see more, I just think people shouldn't expect a jump until year 3 or 4.... This is year 2

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[thelead]

Most annoying thing this did is give delusional Raptor fans ammo lol

meh... most of them are a delusional bunch. I ignore most of them like I do a few on our very own board.

That said, it's 46 degrees in Orlando right now... and 5 degrees in Toronto. They can have this one

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His last 5 games against some of the best teams in the league he averaged 14/4/4 in like 25 minutes iirc.... Not too bad for me personally ,guess you're out on him

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“Out” as in .. I have a difficult time buying he’s a starter especially on this roster and with who they will pay.

Hes a good backup off the bench until he can prove he can prove otherwise.

That's fine.... but what I don't get is why does he have to show that right now though? What kind of timeline do you think we're on? People may realize we're further away than we thought...i don't have an issue with people wanting to see more, I just think people shouldn't expect a jump until year 3 or 4.... This is year 2

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I’m saying this now because there are literally zero excuses for him to step up given the situation. Who is taking his shots? Caleb Houstan? Trevelin Queen? Jared McCain would have had 30+ for Orlando with those scrubs on the wings and that kind of green light.

Now if people want to say “year 3-4 is the year” ok then what is he doing out there in that time with real players on the floor? Is Paolo and Franz deferring to him? Is he going to be Rondo out there with 12 assists? What is his role? The answer is no. He’s a nice bench guy they took with the #6 pick.

[eyriq]

Fourth straight blowout. Welcome back, Paolo! Average offensive and defensive ratings over the past 4 games, you ask?

OFFRTG: 98.475
DEFRTG: 121.400
NETRTG: -22.925

[RookieStar]

Goga outplayed Carter last season. We all saw it.

Mosely did Carter a HUGE favor by inserting him back into the starting lineup and pushing Goga back to the deep bench. Pretty much guaranteed him the contract he absolutely isn’t worth now. Killed all his trade value.
That decision should honestly be studied under a microscope.

Well... if what Mos did enabled us to sign Goga on such a cheap deal then it all worked out well for us no? Esp since he is our starter now.

That decision is negated by signing a worse, more expensive, Center that got beat out of his position in less than 15 games anyway.

Carter should have been moved by the deadline last season when it was apparent Goga and Moe were enough.

Mosely basically hooked him up with a stupid contract he has no business with by starting him at the end of last season despite being obviously worse.

Well in hindsight thats true... i mean who can predict last offseason that Goga would be this good and WCJ would regress this much?

[thelead]

His last 5 games against some of the best teams in the league he averaged 14/4/4 in like 25 minutes iirc.... Not too bad for me personally ,guess you're out on him

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“Out” as in .. I have a difficult time buying he’s a starter especially on this roster and with who they will pay.

Hes a good backup off the bench until he can prove he can prove otherwise.

That's fine.... but what I don't get is why does he have to show that right now though? What kind of timeline do you think we're on? People may realize we're further away than we thought...i don't have an issue with people wanting to see more, I just think people shouldn't expect a jump until year 3 or 4.... This is year 2

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How long did Mobley/Garland have to wait before Cleveland got them Mitchell? How long did Ant have to wait before Minnesota got him Gobert? Tatum and Brown got to play alongside and learn from all-stars like Kyrie and Kemba before they retooled and gave them a super team.

The point is, patience is important but dynamics can change very quickly. For example, JI was a DPOY type of player last year. He looks like a shell of himself this year. WCJ looked like he would be, at worst, a sixth man big just last year. He also looks like a shell of his former self too.

We're not asking for the team to trade all of their picks for an all-star level player that wrecks our cap. We're just looking for a couple of Cam Johnson/Simons/Sexton level players to fill in the bench and provide some much needed offense to go with the defense that we know the starting lineup brings. This can be done by trading a few picks and dead-weight contracts that would be expirings for the receiving team.

[Bensational]

How long did Mobley/Garland have to wait before Cleveland got them Mitchell? How long did Ant have to wait before Minnesota got him Gobert? Tatum and Brown got to play alongside and learn from all-stars like Kyrie and Kemba before they retooled and gave them a super team.

Only comparable name to that which was available this offseason was Paul George and I for one am glad we didn’t drop $50M a season on him for 4 seasons, even though I probably would’ve been onboard with it at the time. Silver linings I guess.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

To say Paolo is frustrated would be an understatement. His post game tonight was a tough watch. Just visually you can tell he’s mentally exhausted already and frustrated beyond belief.

[SOUL]

To say Paolo is frustrated would be an understatement. His post game tonight was a tough watch. Just visually you can tell he’s mentally exhausted already and frustrated beyond belief.

Eh he said they'll get through it. It's injuries though, it's frustrating for everyone. But it's not like he wasn't injured himself. He understands.

[Idiosyncratic]

Fourth straight blowout. Welcome back, Paolo! Average offensive and defensive ratings over the past 4 games, you ask?

OFFRTG: 98.475
DEFRTG: 121.400
NETRTG: -22.925

Average opponent shooting percentage in those games... 55.1%!!!

Yes we all know we need offense, but this team is so hurt and broken right now the defense is just as bad right now.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

To say Paolo is frustrated would be an understatement. His post game tonight was a tough watch. Just visually you can tell he’s mentally exhausted already and frustrated beyond belief.

Eh he said they'll get through it. It's injuries though, it's frustrating for everyone. But it's not like he wasn't injured himself. He understands.

Oh for sure just you can feel the level of frustration he’s got. It’s a dark time right now and seems like we’re a few weeks away from it getter better b

[Idiosyncratic]

I don't think AB was great he missed a couple of easy layups and the dunk, should have had 20+, but he was +6 in 36 minutes in a 16 point loss.

My lord the Queen and Caleb Houston minutes were bad. But they aren't rotation players, what can you do. This is an extreme level of injuries.

[RookieStar]

Just counting the days when we will se PB and Franz together again.

[Bensational]

My lord the Queen and Caleb Houston minutes were bad. But they aren't rotation players, what can you do. This is an extreme level of injuries.

This would be my only gripe, because it’s not like these injuries snuck up on us, they hit the team all at once. When they knew they were only going to have 1 center for a couple of weeks they could’ve signed any big body like Robin Lopez to fill a 10 game run. Could’ve signed a shooter instead of giving Houstan chance after chance.

I think management got a little too confident off some of the surprise wins and thought the team could coast without extra additions. I’m just talking about able and capable bodies to fill in, not even making a big move for a scorer.

[Rainwater]

I hate making judgements with this team so injury prone, but I just don't like Paolo as a Point Foward and Black needs to be more consistent at some point if not this team will need a PG.

[thelead]

with the loss, we are currently slotted for the 15th pick. If Philly wasn't a trainwreck we would seriously be in trouble with the possibility of missing the play-ins if we were dealt any serious injuries the rest of the way.

[MasterGMer]

“Out” as in .. I have a difficult time buying he’s a starter especially on this roster and with who they will pay.

Hes a good backup off the bench until he can prove he can prove otherwise.

That's fine.... but what I don't get is why does he have to show that right now though? What kind of timeline do you think we're on? People may realize we're further away than we thought...i don't have an issue with people wanting to see more, I just think people shouldn't expect a jump until year 3 or 4.... This is year 2

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How long did Mobley/Garland have to wait before Cleveland got them Mitchell? How long did Ant have to wait before Minnesota got him Gobert? Tatum and Brown got to play alongside and learn from all-stars like Kyrie and Kemba before they retooled and gave them a super team.

The point is, patience is important but dynamics can change very quickly. For example, JI was a DPOY type of player last year. He looks like a shell of himself this year. WCJ looked like he would be, at worst, a sixth man big just last year. He also looks like a shell of his former self too.

We're not asking for the team to trade all of their picks for an all-star level player that wrecks our cap. We're just looking for a couple of Cam Johnson/Simons/Sexton level players to fill in the bench and provide some much needed offense to go with the defense that we know the starting lineup brings. This can be done by trading a few picks and dead-weight contracts that would be expirings for the receiving team.

I agree with you. Orlando has every assets to make that big trade we are waiting for. But is it this trade deadline? Idk

But we definitely could make some marginal moves. But that probably would cost a FRP that this FO doesn't want to give up.

So in this trade deadline, I do not expect anything but hope for something to happen. lol