Ranking Anthony Black So Far

basketballRob · Post #21 » by **basketballRob** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 12:58 am

According to the Cavs fans, Ty Jerome is the cat's meow of role players, and Black is way ahead of him in development.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=jeromty01&p1yrfrom=2022&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=blackan01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

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OrlandoNed · Post #22 » by **OrlandoNed** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:15 am

Elfrid Payton 2.0

He'll have his truthers, endlessly praising his occasional flash of ability, before eventually piping down after he gets dumped for a 2nd round pick.

Post #23 » by **eyriq** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:26 pm

Based on these results there's a 15% probability he gets a max extension (25%+ cap hit). 47% probability his cap hit is above 12% of the cap.

That's a coin flip that he fits right into the KCP cap space and some.

Bergmaniac · Post #24 » by **Bergmaniac** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:38 pm

eyriq wrote:As a young player with unique tools and upside, his future is still a topic of debate.

What exactly is unique about his tools? Tall PGs with very good defence are hardly something new in the NBA.

Skybox · Post #25 » by **Skybox** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:43 pm

basketballRob wrote:According to the Cavs fans, Ty Jerome is the cat's meow of role players, and Black is way ahead of him in development.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=jeromty01&p1yrfrom=2022&p1yrto=2022&player_id2=blackan01&p2yrfrom=2025&p2yrto=2025

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Swell...our #6 is slightly ahead of the #24 pick that's on his 6th team in 5 years

KillMonger · Post #26 » by **KillMonger** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:33 pm

I see the ceiling as a fringe All-star if he hits on all cylinders.....I think he eventually can be a solid starter in the league....what he looks like in his 3rd year could change the trajectory

RichCollab · Post #27 » by **RichCollab** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:36 pm

I would love Ty Jerome.

Post #28 » by **eyriq** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:54 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:
eyriq wrote:As a young player with unique tools and upside, his future is still a topic of debate.

What exactly is unique about his tools? Tall PGs with very good defence are hardly something new in the NBA.

IYKYK

Idiosyncratic · Post #29 » by **Idiosyncratic** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:52 pm

Whoever picked MVP knows ball (It wasn't me).

JRoy · Post #30 » by **JRoy** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:59 pm

I like AB a lot.

I think he will develop into a solid starter.

Right now..he has some work to do.

BadMofoPimp · Post #31 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 5:23 pm

Idiosyncratic wrote:Whoever picked MVP knows ball (It wasn't me).

AB says hello

anothermagicfan · Post #32 » by **anothermagicfan** » Sun Jan 26, 2025 7:20 pm

He's in year 2. Just for comparison sake how do we feel his first 2 seasons compare to Suggs first 2 seasons?

JoshuaPotter · Post #33 » by **JoshuaPotter** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:08 pm

I am super high on him, he has moments where even with Franz and Paolo on the court he can take over both ends. The question becomes is can he do this for 48 minutes? If he had even a Paolo level jump shot, this thread would be discussing his MVP candidacy.

Post #34 » by **Knightro** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 2:37 pm

He's fine. Easy to forget he only just turned 21 a week ago.

Not sure he's ever going to be a big star or anything, but he can be a useful two-way piece.

Post #35 » by **eyriq** » Mon Jan 27, 2025 9:31 pm

These results affirm to me why sweater vest points is the best advanced metric out there. Our forum knows Magic basketball and it is a great sample of Magic fandom.

The-Stallion70 · Post #36 » by **The-Stallion70** » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:20 pm

He is a future asset, his NPV would look different than future value. He needs to develop physically to use his height advantage, that guy Shead was pushing him around the other night. I just dont see him reaching his potential for a while if at all and Paolo and Franz are ready to go now so I see him as probably the Magics best trade asset. I personally believe that the Magic have shown over the years that they are not the best at developing players.

What I'll say though is that if the Spurs got ahold of him it wouldn't surprise me if Popp turned him into an allstar in a few years.

Post #37 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jan 28, 2025 1:37 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:He is a future asset, his NPV would look different than future value. He needs to develop physically to use his height advantage, that guy Shead was pushing him around the other night. I just dont see him reaching his potential for a while if at all and Paolo and Franz are ready to go now so I see him as probably the Magics best trade asset. I personally believe that the Magic have shown over the years that they are not the best at developing players.

What I'll say though is that if the Spurs got ahold of him it wouldn't surprise me if Popp turned him into an allstar in a few years.

Talk dirty to me!

Skybox · Post #38 » by **Skybox** » Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:31 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:He is a future asset, his NPV would look different than future value. He needs to develop physically to use his height advantage, that guy Shead was pushing him around the other night. I just dont see him reaching his potential for a while if at all and Paolo and Franz are ready to go now so I see him as probably the Magics best trade asset. I personally believe that the Magic have shown over the years that they are not the best at developing players.

What I'll say though is that if the Spurs got ahold of him it wouldn't surprise me if Popp turned him into an allstar in a few years.

I'd be happy for him...who's coming back? POP already has Castle who is better today, as a rookie in that spot.

three3d · Post #39 » by **three3d** » Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:38 pm

Skybox wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:He is a future asset, his NPV would look different than future value. He needs to develop physically to use his height advantage, that guy Shead was pushing him around the other night. I just dont see him reaching his potential for a while if at all and Paolo and Franz are ready to go now so I see him as probably the Magics best trade asset. I personally believe that the Magic have shown over the years that they are not the best at developing players.

What I'll say though is that if the Spurs got ahold of him it wouldn't surprise me if Popp turned him into an allstar in a few years.

I'd be happy for him...who's coming back? POP already has Castle who is better today, as a rookie in that spot.

That’s something to strongly consider cause he’s saying IT’S the system and not the player. Look at our coaching staff. There’s absolutely no excuse for it. NBA coaches and assistant coaches contract Do not count towards salary cap. Players don’t forget how to play basketball or forget how to shoot.

Post #40 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jan 28, 2025 5:47 pm

Skybox wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:He is a future asset, his NPV would look different than future value. He needs to develop physically to use his height advantage, that guy Shead was pushing him around the other night. I just dont see him reaching his potential for a while if at all and Paolo and Franz are ready to go now so I see him as probably the Magics best trade asset. I personally believe that the Magic have shown over the years that they are not the best at developing players.

What I'll say though is that if the Spurs got ahold of him it wouldn't surprise me if Popp turned him into an allstar in a few years.

I'd be happy for him...who's coming back? POP already has Castle who is better today, as a rookie in that spot.

Castle is already better? Seems pretty close to me, and I'd give the edge to AB for his defense.

Castle: 12/3/4 on 40/26/72 splits; 49 TS%; .302 FTr; 1.1 STOCKS; -3.4 OBPM, -1.7 DBPM; 10.4 PER; 1.6 On-Off

AB: 9/3/4 on 41/26/75 splits; 50 TS%; .372 FTr; 1.6 STOCKS; -3.7 OBPM, 0.8 DBPM; 10.2 PER; -3.5 On-Off

Where do you rank Anthony Black's Upside?