RGM GOAT Debate Thread (Part 2)

[prolific passer]

Just remember that Jordan lost his first dunk contest and it hurt nothing on his brand as his shoes still sold out that season.

[Texas Chuck]

I mean this is pretty desperate. You know the Mike guys realize Lebron has passed their dude when they are citing dunk contests.

Lebron never played a fictional game of HORSE against Larry Bird for a Big Mac either. Coward.

[ScrantonBulls]

MJ at 40: 77th defensive rating

Lebron at 40: 445th defensive rating

Oof

Do you even know what defensive rating is, rust?

Yeah, it’s where LeBron has been nose diving.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lebron-james-defensive-rating-in-career

Got it. So you have no idea, but you're using it anyway and randomly bringing it up in a thread about dunking because LeBron triggers you. He owns an awful lot of real estate in your head, son.

[ScrantonBulls]

I mean this is pretty desperate. You know the Mike guys realize Lebron has passed their dude when they are citing dunk contests.

Lebron never played a fictional game of HORSE against Larry Bird for a Big Mac either. Coward.

The writing is on the wall. LeBron is the GOAT and he keeps putting up impressive seasons for his age, further solidifying his GOAT title. Jordan fans are getting incredibly insecure about it.

[HomoSapien]

MJ as one of the best dunkers of his time competing in the dunk contest is not a great example of him being competitive, IMO. That's an example of him being a great showman. MJ competing in the three-point contest as a meh three-point shooter is a great example of how competitive he was.

[sashaturiaf]

MJs a fierce competitor, but he didn't need to do the dunk contest to prove that.

Likewise Lebron didn't need to dodge the dunk contest to prove he's an anti competitive coward. His whole body of work proves it

[bledredwine]

I mean this is pretty desperate. You know the Mike guys realize Lebron has passed their dude when they are citing dunk contests.

Lebron never played a fictional game of HORSE against Larry Bird for a Big Mac either. Coward.

Nah, it’s a joke of a comparison. I can cite the hundreds of other reasons, as you already know.

Anyone who believes it’s a comparison is fooling themselves.

And even though there are more valid reasons, no doubt Jordan was a more competitive person than Lebron, who loves bandwagoning and ring chasing instead of competing for it… and yet, still four.

Whatever happened to all of those GIFs comparing Lebron to Jordan with “by age X” accomplishments? I wonder.

[Rust_Cohle]

Do you even know what defensive rating is, rust?

Yeah, it’s where LeBron has been nose diving.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/lebron-james-defensive-rating-in-career

Got it. So you have no idea, but you're using it anyway and randomly bringing it up in a thread about dunking because LeBron triggers you. He owns an awful lot of real estate in your head, son.

Says the guy who starts threads about superstar calls

And LeBron has been one of the worst defenders in the entire league. Do you know what defense is Taj? Or as long as lebron dunks now and again nothing else matters? Stick to box score watching

Stats for lebron this year:

PER - 20.6 - 36th

WS - 1.3 - 91st

WS 48 - .082 - 125th

BPM - 3.2 - 31st

VORP - 1.0 - 23rd

TS - 57.7 - 97th

Ortg - 111 - 131st

Drtg - 118 - 445th yikes

Netrtg: -7 yikes

On/off: - 13.6

[MavsDirk41]

I mean this is pretty desperate. You know the Mike guys realize Lebron has passed their dude when they are citing dunk contests.

Lebron never played a fictional game of HORSE against Larry Bird for a Big Mac either. Coward.

No James never played a fictional game of horse against Bird, he just created super teams because he couldn’t win a championship without one. Coward

[The Explorer]

James in 2009:

“Right now I'm preliminarily putting my name in the 2010 contest Saturday night. LeBron James is saying, in 2010 in Dallas Stadium, I’m putting my name [preliminarily] in the dunk contest.”

Turned out to be a lie.

James also played a part in the downfalll of the all-star game.

Stephen A Smith recently said last year at the all-star game, Larry Bird came in and spoke to the players and implored them to play hard. James basically gave him the side eye and dismissed Bird's comments.

He has a big hand in the lack of competitiveness of all-star weekend and in landscape of the NBA. He's been the face of the league for long time and him not caring to compete has permeated to the rest of the players.

James has dishonored the game of basketball by putting forth no effort in half the game, all in the name of racking of longevity stats. It's also a disservice to the fans who pay a lot of money to see players perform at the highest level. James as the face of the league has a lot of sway with players and events like the all-star game, he could have been rallying them to play competitive ball. Instead, he allows the game to become a joke on his watch, to the tune of 400 points being scored last year.

[hardenASG13]

I mean this is pretty desperate. You know the Mike guys realize Lebron has passed their dude when they are citing dunk contests.

Lebron never played a fictional game of HORSE against Larry Bird for a Big Mac either. Coward.

No James never played a fictional game of horse against Bird, he just created super teams because he couldn’t win a championship without one. Coward

He created super teams (which were only that because they had him) because his competition was.......superteams.

As far as the dunk contest. In the 1980s, the internet didn't exist. There were a couple of games on TV per week. Every rotation player didn't have a contract where they were making 15 plus million a year. A dunk from the FT line was winning contests (it gets you like a 45 dunk score now). Everything has been done, and the youtubers are better contest dunkers than NBA guys. Things are different. Lebron was in the HS dunk contest, it wasn't spectacular. The guy has been in the national spotlight since high school, where his games were broadcast and analyzed on national TV. Him entering the dunk contest would've gained him 0 additional exposure or fans. He could've done it, sure. Probably would've won. But who cares?

[Texas Chuck]

So Mike played his entire relevant career with a fellow Dream Teamer and top 5 player in Pippen, played for arguably the goat coach in Phil Jackson and played with other strong teammates such as Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong the first threepeat and Longley, Rodman, Kerr, Harper, Kukoc on the 2nd.

Poor Mike, he just never got to go to the Finals with JR Smith as his best teammate. So unfair. Poor little Mike.

[The High Cyde]

If he was competitive he wouldn’t have quit the sport in the middle of his prime.

[Big J]

If he was competitive he wouldn’t have quit the sport in the middle of his prime.

He didn’t quit. Winning had gotten too easy, and he needed a new challenge.

[The High Cyde]

If he was competitive he wouldn’t have quit the sport in the middle of his prime.

He didn’t quit. Winning had gotten too easy, and he needed a new challenge.

And then he quit baseball cause he sucked at it lmao

[kodo]

MJ flipped out on people when he lost at Monopoly, so I don't think he's good example of a normal NBA star who skips the dunk contest.

[Homer38]

I mean this is pretty desperate. You know the Mike guys realize Lebron has passed their dude when they are citing dunk contests.

Lebron never played a fictional game of HORSE against Larry Bird for a Big Mac either. Coward.

No James never played a fictional game of horse against Bird, he just created super teams because he couldn’t win a championship without one. Coward

Jordan was unable to have a single winning season in the 5 season without Scottie Pippen

A complete and total loser without the great Pippen!

[Texas Chuck]

Its also funny to me that people watch KG randomly scream and conclude super competitive and look at chill Tim Duncan just beat your ass for 3 quarters and sit and watch the 4th and think not.

Lebron isn't an a-hole so he's not competitive? You guys fall for marketing and ignore substance. Nobody goes to 10 straight Finals and is still the best player on the Olympic team at 40 and have played a billion minutes at the highest of levels without being competitive.

Nike and Gatorade hire marketing geniuses. Paid off in spades on many of you. The sad part is Michael Jordan the actual basketball player was amazing. But this myth you guys worship never really existed.

[bledredwine]

So Mike played his entire relevant career with a fellow Dream Teamer and top 5 player in Pippen, played for arguably the goat coach in Phil Jackson and played with other strong teammates such as Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong the first threepeat and Longley, Rodman, Kerr, Harper, Kukoc on the 2nd.

Poor Mike, he just never got to go to the Finals with JR Smith as his best teammate. So unfair. Poor little Mike.

Top five is laughable. No one considered Pippen top 5. Player Comparison forum posters apparently do.
He was considered among the best two #2 options right alongside Stockton, who was also a dream teamer.

But this is what Lebron fans do- make excuses and exaggerate.
The thing is, Jordan performed every single time. He has the stats, testimony, achievements, and dominance to back it up.

Jordan even has all cross era players who actually played with or against both players saying "Jordan, by far" and similar sentiments.
He even had GOATs of the game calling him GOAT.

Lebron has... longevity.

Give Jordan Anthony Davis, or Wade Bosh and the league is his. 2011 doesn't happen, he doesn't get embarrassed by Duncan, he doesn't nearly lose another championship if not for Wade/Bosh saving him, he doesn't shoot .397 from the field, get outplayed by someone at his own position, or let 4 of his finals matchups win Finals MVP. Oh, and Jordan wouldn't have some of the worst finals slaughters of all time against his own team.

[Texas Chuck]

Scottie Pippen was first team all NBA playing with Mike and a legit MVP candidate the year Mike was suspended for gambling. But sure never top 5. Gross how Mike guys need to trash a great player because they mistakenly believe it elevates Mike.

I'm also not a Lebron fan. Just not a Mike cultist either.