Around The NBA : 2023-24 Season #3

[ChiefILL53]

Injury prone for injury prone?

The only shocking part is that they traded a 25 year old for a 32 year old, its just that theyre both injury prone. However, with the reports from Tim Mcmahon saying the Mavs were concerned about his conditioning and the president citing defense...it makes sense why the traded him. We've seen Luka struggle with his weight, conditioning, and be lazy as hell on defense. He puts more effort in whining to the refs than getting back on D. Trading for AD fills out their roster better because the starters slide over a position. Kyrie can play the 1 now, Klay the 2, and AD the 4. Now, idk if I would have SPECIFICALLY gone after AD, but thats why they didnt put this on the open market.

For the lakers, the only thing his does for them is give them a superstar for when lebron retires in a couple years. Theyre gonna be WORSE on defense and honestly, im not sure how theyre gonna play when Luka is a ball dominant player just like lebron and theyre not a good shooting team. They also now have no big men lol. They're gonna get dog walked in the playoffs.

[dougthonus]

I legitimately would bet that there is an off books crypto transaction for 100M+ going the Mavs owner as part of this deal. The league has no way to track it, nor does our financial system really.

It's the only thing that explains the complete idiocy of this trade along with the fact they didn't canvas for offers, because they'd have gotten something better.

Do the Adelson's care about 100M? They have a net worth of 32 billion.

Maybe the 100M is going to the GM to convince the owner it was a good idea. Maybe it's not 100M but 1B and they figure, hey we just paid for most of the franchise purchase price. No matter how you slice it, this is an all-time historical stupid move from a basketball perspective, and it is just hard to believe this kind of idiocy could exist in this day and age.

It's just at common knowledge level of idiocy. It is hard to imagine that something this far off in obvious value could happen unless there is a larger component we don't see. That larger component could be some massive problem with Doncic, but in a day where you can make basically unlimited amounts of anonymous money transfer, that sure seems like a much more likely way to work it out.

[ChiefILL53]

According to Windhorst, the Warriors are considered the team most likely to 'win' the Jimmy Butler 'sweepstakes'.

For what it's worth, most Warriors fans on reddit would prefer a trade for Zach (without including Wiggins) than trading for Butler.

Could be an interesting deadline with a few bigger names potentially getting moved and multiple multi-team trades.

Warriors fans have no clue how things work then because they legitimately CANT keep Wiggins if they trade for Zach or Jimmy because he'd be used to match contracts lol.

He actually doesn't in Zachs case, it would be a bit more complicated but it's definitely doable without Wiggins.

How would they be able to keep Wiggins and still trade for zach?

[Jcool0]

I legitimately would bet that there is an off books crypto transaction for 100M+ going the Mavs owner as part of this deal. The league has no way to track it, nor does our financial system really.

It's the only thing that explains the complete idiocy of this trade along with the fact they didn't canvas for offers, because they'd have gotten something better.

Do the Adelson's care about 100M? They have a net worth of 32 billion.

Maybe the 100M is going to the GM to convince the owner it was a good idea. Maybe it's not 100M but 1B and they figure, hey we just paid for most of the franchise purchase price. No matter how you slice it, this is an all-time historical stupid move from a basketball perspective, and it is just hard to believe this kind of idiocy could exist in this day and age.

It's just at common knowledge level of idiocy. It is hard to imagine that something this far off in obvious value could happen unless there is a larger component we don't see. That larger component could be some massive problem with Doncic, but in a day where you can make basically unlimited amounts of anonymous money transfer, that sure seems like a much more likely way to work it out.

It right now is an awful trade. Not sure why its always LA getting these sweetheart deals. But saw this on the GB and its most likely the answer. I have no doubt Krause would of traded Jordan if he had gotten the right big man offer in the late 80s. Stupid people usually do stupid things. Bulls just happened to have gotten lucky in that regard.

In this post trade podcast (they cover the Mavs), at some point fairly early on Tim Cato says that Nico and Luka may not have worked well together.

That I could see. Luka is not Nico's guy, he inherited Luka, and Luka may not be the biggest Nico fan, either.

So it might be best for everyone to go his own way. Nico gets to build the team the way he wants and Luka gets a fresh start.

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[Michael Jackson]

Does Atlanta finally feel ok? Got back to my hotel last night late and just flipped on the tv and saw this. My friend who is not an nba fan couldn’t understand my absolute state of confusion as I am rarely rattled in life lol. This is odd beyond belief. I can understand trading Luka sorta but has to be a better package.

[Jcool0]

Does Atlanta finally feel ok? Got back to my hotel last night late and just flipped on the tv and saw this. My friend who is not an nba fan couldn’t understand my absolute state of confusion as I am rarely rattled in life lol. This is odd beyond belief. I can understand trading Luka sorta but has to be a better package.

Atlanta is probably looking to trade Trae who has the team in the same situation as Chicago. Dallas still won the trade even if they gave up on Luka. Funny the rumor at the time was if the Bulls got #2 that year they would of taken Marvin Bagley.

[dougthonus]

Do the Adelson's care about 100M? They have a net worth of 32 billion.

Maybe the 100M is going to the GM to convince the owner it was a good idea. Maybe it's not 100M but 1B and they figure, hey we just paid for most of the franchise purchase price. No matter how you slice it, this is an all-time historical stupid move from a basketball perspective, and it is just hard to believe this kind of idiocy could exist in this day and age.

It's just at common knowledge level of idiocy. It is hard to imagine that something this far off in obvious value could happen unless there is a larger component we don't see. That larger component could be some massive problem with Doncic, but in a day where you can make basically unlimited amounts of anonymous money transfer, that sure seems like a much more likely way to work it out.

It right now is an awful trade. Not sure why its always LA getting these sweetheart deals. But saw this on the GB and its most likely the answer. I have no doubt Krause would of traded Jordan if he had gotten the right big man offer in the late 80s. Stupid people usually do stupid things. Bulls just happened to have gotten lucky in that regard.

In this post trade podcast (they cover the Mavs), at some point fairly early on Tim Cato says that Nico and Luka may not have worked well together.

That I could see. Luka is not Nico's guy, he inherited Luka, and Luka may not be the biggest Nico fan, either.

So it might be best for everyone to go his own way. Nico gets to build the team the way he wants and Luka gets a fresh start.

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The idea the Mavs wanted some escape hatch from Luka for some unknown reason could definitely be true, but then why not canvas the league for Luka offers in this case?

Like this deal is just god awful even if we start off with the base case that Luka demanded a trade and they had absolutely no choice but to trade him. Even in that case, they should have gotten more, and it's already been reported that Luka did not demand a trade.

[Jcool0]

Maybe the 100M is going to the GM to convince the owner it was a good idea. Maybe it's not 100M but 1B and they figure, hey we just paid for most of the franchise purchase price. No matter how you slice it, this is an all-time historical stupid move from a basketball perspective, and it is just hard to believe this kind of idiocy could exist in this day and age.

It's just at common knowledge level of idiocy. It is hard to imagine that something this far off in obvious value could happen unless there is a larger component we don't see. That larger component could be some massive problem with Doncic, but in a day where you can make basically unlimited amounts of anonymous money transfer, that sure seems like a much more likely way to work it out.

It right now is an awful trade. Not sure why its always LA getting these sweetheart deals. But saw this on the GB and its most likely the answer. I have no doubt Krause would of traded Jordan if he had gotten the right big man offer in the late 80s. Stupid people usually do stupid things. Bulls just happened to have gotten lucky in that regard.

In this post trade podcast (they cover the Mavs), at some point fairly early on Tim Cato says that Nico and Luka may not have worked well together.

That I could see. Luka is not Nico's guy, he inherited Luka, and Luka may not be the biggest Nico fan, either.

So it might be best for everyone to go his own way. Nico gets to build the team the way he wants and Luka gets a fresh start.

Watch on YouTube

The idea the Mavs wanted some escape hatch from Luka for some unknown reason could definitely be true, but then why not canvas the league for Luka offers in this case?

Like this deal is just god awful even if we start off with the base case that Luka demanded a trade and they had absolutely no choice but to trade him. Even in that case, they should have gotten more, and it's already been reported that Luka did not demand a trade.

For whatever reason he thought his best option was AD. No idea why but again back to you cant fix stupid. Also:

"Harrison and Rob Pelinka, the Lakers' vice president of basketball operations and general manager, have a long-standing relationship dating to when Harrison was Kobe Bryant's marketing manager at Nike and Pelinka was Bryant's agent."

[MissileMike]

Someone on the GB suggested alcoholism. But even if that was true, why not drive up the price by fielding other offers? Like, at least get knecht or reaves too? Has to be something we're not seeing.

[DuckIII]

Even if Luka told them he’d leave, you don’t receive only one first round pick under any circumstance. The Mavs should be banned from the league for a decade for their incompetency.

That’s right. The issue is not trading Luka. Franchise guys get traded especially when they tell their team they won’t resign.

The issue is the trade return.

I have been furious with the Bulls FO for the last several years. But that is based on incompetence. This is the Mavs FO outright betraying their fan base. I cannot even imagine waking up a Mavs fan today.

[jc23]

Still wild. Unless Dallas goes on to 3 peat they will never get over this trade. Just imagine in 3 years when Luka is at his absolute peak and both Kyrie and AD are in their mid 30's. Dallas fans must feel like we did when Rose went down.

[burlydee]

Injury prone for injury prone?

The only shocking part is that they traded a 25 year old for a 32 year old, its just that theyre both injury prone. However, with the reports from Tim Mcmahon saying the Mavs were concerned about his conditioning and the president citing defense...it makes sense why the traded him. We've seen Luka struggle with his weight, conditioning, and be lazy as hell on defense. He puts more effort in whining to the refs than getting back on D. Trading for AD fills out their roster better because the starters slide over a position. Kyrie can play the 1 now, Klay the 2, and AD the 4. Now, idk if I would have SPECIFICALLY gone after AD, but thats why they didnt put this on the open market.

For the lakers, the only thing his does for them is give them a superstar for when lebron retires in a couple years. Theyre gonna be WORSE on defense and honestly, im not sure how theyre gonna play when Luka is a ball dominant player just like lebron and theyre not a good shooting team. They also now have no big men lol. They're gonna get dog walked in the playoffs.

"The only thing this does is give them a superstar"

That's all that matters. They will now be part of championship convo for next 7 years. There already better than the Mavs! If Luka and Kyrie can make the finals what can Luka and Lebron do!

[ChiefILL53]

"The only thing this does is give them a superstar"

That's all that matters. They will now be part of championship convo for next 7 years. There already better than the Mavs! If Luka and Kyrie can make the finals what can Luka and Lebron do!

Theyve been part of the championship conversation since lebron got there and have only won a single one after trading for an AD entering his prime and giving up young talent and draft picks and have since underwhelmed since with a bunch of idiotic moves (allegedly at the behest of lebron).

Better than the Mavs? Where? Luka is prolly the worst player they coulda put next to lebron lol. At least in a Lebronfense he can play spot up shooter on a kick out

[MisterRoy]

Feels like a 2K move. Not sure it works in real life.

[rosenthall]

I legitimately would bet that there is an off books crypto transaction for 100M+ going the Mavs owner as part of this deal. The league has no way to track it, nor does our financial system really.

It's the only thing that explains the complete idiocy of this trade along with the fact they didn't canvas for offers, because they'd have gotten something better.

I don't know if I'd predict a crypto transaction, but I also can't reconcile this trade without there being something happening off books.

1st Team All NBAer in their prime. Team just came off a finals run. Team has no other intriguing young talent to build around. Team has a poor draft pick situation going into 2030. Star player supposedly was not requesting a trade. Other GM's reportedly stunned at the offer. Deal happens 4 days before the deadline, when trading a player of this calibre is a franchise altering decision that absolutely requires the best return possible.

I kinda believe there were a lot of unobserved circumstances with Luka that were offputting to the Mavs, but that doesn't explain the trade return, because they certainly could have gotten more than this.

[burlydee]

"The only thing this does is give them a superstar"

That's all that matters. They will now be part of championship convo for next 7 years. There already better than the Mavs! If Luka and Kyrie can make the finals what can Luka and Lebron do!

Theyve been part of the championship conversation since lebron got there and have only won a single one after trading for an AD entering his prime and giving up young talent and draft picks and have since underwhelmed since with a bunch of idiotic moves (allegedly at the behest of lebron).

Better than the Mavs? Where? Luka is prolly the worst player they coulda put next to lebron lol. At least in a Lebronfense he can play spot up shooter on a kick out

They have not been part of championship convo in a couple years.

Luka isn't playing next to Lebron. Lebron is playing next to Luka. Luka is legit one of top 3 players in league. Good luck doubling him now. You thought Kyrie was good on the weak side, wait for Lebron.

Luka is the single most important reason they made the Finals. The reason they made the conference championship 2 years ago. He lead a team to the Finals at 25. I don't think you're familiar with his game.

[WesPeace]

Someone on the GB suggested alcoholism. But even if that was true, why not drive up the price by fielding other offers? Like, at least get knecht or reaves too? Has to be something we're not seeing.

Its true, alcohol, junk food, late night cards etc.. same as his dad, Sasa?! Even bigger issues were with national team,he was self destruction bomb there, took half of team with him.

[boozapalooza]

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Its funny cause its true

[Muzbar]

Warriors fans have no clue how things work then because they legitimately CANT keep Wiggins if they trade for Zach or Jimmy because he'd be used to match contracts lol.

He actually doesn't in Zachs case, it would be a bit more complicated but it's definitely doable without Wiggins.

How would they be able to keep Wiggins and still trade for zach?

Looney, Payton, Hield, Anderson and Schröder is more than enough salary wise to trade for Zach, it would likely beva multi-team trades with minimum salaries heading back to GS, but it's definitely doable, there's been reports about it.

[Wingy]

It right now is an awful trade. Not sure why its always LA getting these sweetheart deals. But saw this on the GB and its most likely the answer. I have no doubt Krause would of traded Jordan if he had gotten the right big man offer in the late 80s. Stupid people usually do stupid things. Bulls just happened to have gotten lucky in that regard.

The idea the Mavs wanted some escape hatch from Luka for some unknown reason could definitely be true, but then why not canvas the league for Luka offers in this case?

Like this deal is just god awful even if we start off with the base case that Luka demanded a trade and they had absolutely no choice but to trade him. Even in that case, they should have gotten more, and it's already been reported that Luka did not demand a trade.

For whatever reason he thought his best option was AD. No idea why but again back to you cant fix stupid. Also:

"Harrison and Rob Pelinka, the Lakers' vice president of basketball operations and general manager, have a long-standing relationship dating to when Harrison was Kobe Bryant's marketing manager at Nike and Pelinka was Bryant's agent."

Just goes to show…a good many of us, with a full pro support staff of scouts and analysts…could absolutely do the FO job as well as the actual dudes in charge.

Coincidentally, I think Doug once pointed this out. As much nepotism for those jobs as any other industry, maybe more. Qualifications? Maybe, not so much.