2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

[BobbieL]

I looked at them going for Jimmy last night, but Miami would never accept a crap package like that.

I also didn't realize how few FRPs the Mavs have - very similar as the Suns

Which is insane you know, considering they just traded FUKKING Luka Donic!!

They should have a historic amount of assets now. Like all of the stuff HOU has (Amen, Tari Eason, all the picks, Sengun) or Paulo and like 5 FRPs or both Bam and Herro from Miami.


Unbelievable.

Can ishbia do this ? Build a treasure trove and build

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Buyout consideration for 3rd center rotation role? A true 3 & D center.

[bwgood77]

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Suns should be on the phone right now with Houston

And that tweet about what the Nets got for Durant is crazy compared to Luka

OK, if we don't trade KD/Book soon enough to get our 25 pick back, we can still later maybe trade Book to Houston for our 27 first, 29 first and Houston's 29 pick (which would include the right to swap that with the Mavs when Kyrie and AD are like 36 and 37).

[sunsbg]

He was an upcoming FA in a little over a year. Unrestricted. From the Mavs standpoint they should have gotten a lot more, but likely he (his agent) told them he was planning on signing with the Lakers and would let other teams know that. Everything about the way this went down points to this. The Mavs GM also says he knew he if wanted to trade Luka the one player he wanted was AD. I don't know much about that but apparently (according to Shams), AD and Kyrie are close, Kidd coached AD in LA, Nico Harrison knows AD through Nike, etc.

Euro players are generally loyal and Mavs were in the finals just last year, so it's not like Doncic doesn't have the roster to compete. So it makes little sense to me to ask for a trade. All reports so far confirm he didn't. He's getting to a worse situation basketball wise for the short term and while he'll make more money off court, it sounds like he's losing a lot from next contract and state taxes. Now he's not the typical Euro - whiny, entitled, even his style of play and mindset is selfish and closest to someone like Harden then Jokic. I don't think that's the case, but I won't completely dismiss him forcing his way to Las Vegas. If a story like that comes out Mavs fans will be pissed. It's a lot worse then a historical loss in Gm7. Hardcore Mavs fans are cancelling League Pass and claim to stop following the team/NBA. I can't imagine a player/his agent will do that to a fanbase with no reason, but could be just me.

Many players who are super duper stars want to play in LA where all the celebrities are, and he idolized LeBron growing up. I think he idolized pop culture, once saying one of his biggest goals in his first 5 years in the NBA was a date with Jennifer Aniston (maybe didn't know she was 50, maybe didn't care) but I think he loves his stardom and it makes total sense he would really want to be in LA. He will be a God there. He will be more popular than LeBron there and many of their big names. I won't be surprised if he's in a movie within a couple years. He will get fat endorsements.

He must have been a fan of Friends sitcom as many teens. But even if he wanted to go to LA why would Mavs screw themselves in the process ? You don't think they will get much better offer if they made it public and don't look like villains in the process ? Doesn't make any sense from business or public relations POV. As I wrote their fanbase is threatening to stop following the team. There must be something a lot bigger behind the scenes. From Luka perspective he's going to a worse basketball situation right now and he'll be put under the radar a lot more playing for the Lakers. For someone who has regressed over the last year, injuries are starting to pile up I'm not sure he wants the extra attention on his bad conditioning.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Shocker here! It really couldn't be much clearer how the NBA ( League Office/ Adam Silver) is going to always prop up the Flakers and collude to help Le' Douche get another championship he otherwise couldn't secure himself!

No wonder the ratings are dropping and the how the NBA in general is becoming a sadly scripted complete sh**show!!! This is also a perfect example of why this whole asinine aging superteam premise is an abject failing strategy.


And why we need to pivot to a similar premise as OKC, Houston, Memphis, etc and blow it up and rebuild through the draft with young, physical, athletic, high motor hungry young players over fielding an aging overpaid retirement boys club for aging oft injured apathetic stars.

[KLEON]

Hey Mavs, why didn't you trade for KD instead of AD? It would've been KY and KD reunion, then the Suns would rewrite their wrong in having a Book/Luka backcourt

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Shocker here! It really couldn't be much clearer how the NBA ( League Office/ Adam Silver) is going to always prop up the Flakers and collude to help Le' Douche get another championship he otherwise couldn't secure himself!

No wonder the ratings are dropping and the how the NBA in general is becoming a sadly scripted complete sh**show!!! This is also a perfect example of why this whole asinine aging superteam premise is an abject failing strategy.


And why we need to pivot to a similar premise as OKC, Houston, Memphis, etc and blow it up and rebuild through the draft with young, physical, athletic, high motor hungry young players over fielding an aging overpaid retirement boys club for aging oft injured apathetic stars.

I don't think they will win a championship anytime soon with their current roster. Maybe make the 2nd round but defensively they are going to be bad unless Lakers make some kind of trade for a few good defensive players.

[Slim Charless]

Hey Mavs, why didn't you trade for KD instead of AD? It would've been KY and KD reunion, then the Suns would rewrite their wrong in having a Book/Luka backcourt

That's an even worse trade lol. We'd need Booker in as he's equal to AD

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Suns should be on the phone right now with Houston

And that tweet about what the Nets got for Durant is crazy compared to Luka

OK, if we don't trade KD/Book soon enough to get our 25 pick back, we can still later maybe trade Book to Houston for our 27 first, 29 first and Houston's 29 pick (which would include the right to swap that with the Mavs when Kyrie and AD are like 36 and 37).

If it's about the picks, then I'm looking at moving KD to OKC for young players ( salary)/and picks, the UTA 25' 1st/ DALLAS 28' 1st/ multiple 2nds.

IF it's about picks, then the 28' DALLAS 1st would be huge! Then I'm looking at Houston for some young talent and our 27, 29 picks back and maybe the Houston 2031 1st.

Or maybe Detroit ( like this better a bit if not getting the players I'd want from Houston)

Stewart/ Ivey/ Thompson or Holland/ Detroit's 27, 29, 31 1sts.

Not as good as the Houston picks, but still a great young core of players, 2nd only to Houston's core young talent??

I also might look at Memphis or Denver for KD if trying to remain competitive whilst getting younger!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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All the patterns of collusion are laid out subtly.

The real question is what should we do now?

[Sunsdeuce]

From Mavs GM Nico Harrison's press conf:
- "We think defense wins championships."
- "Time will tell if I'm right.”
- only spoke to Lakers about a Luka deal
- Mavs owner Patrick Dumont “laughed" at first when the trade was suggested to him but fully supported the deal

Mavs GM Nico Harrison said they didn't talk to any other teams about trading Doncic. Conversations with LA picked up in the last 3 or 4 weeks.

So Mavs had their minds made up with who and what they wanted in return for Luka before they even started talking trade for Luka.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Same ol' Lakers collusion BS always. The Harrison/ Lerbron connections will come out and the league will bury it or simply just do nothing about it! But the point that matters most here is that the Suns can't win under this aging superteam blueprint in a clearly rigged NBA that favors big market ratings and will keep favoring them.

But what we can do is abandon this delusion and rebuild correctly through the draft, like many of the top teams have, and feature young, exciting, explosively athletic hungry high-motor players who are fun to watch and can actually play with tenacity and outperform the opposition simply by putting in the effort and caring!

[bwgood77]

Euro players are generally loyal and Mavs were in the finals just last year, so it's not like Doncic doesn't have the roster to compete. So it makes little sense to me to ask for a trade. All reports so far confirm he didn't. He's getting to a worse situation basketball wise for the short term and while he'll make more money off court, it sounds like he's losing a lot from next contract and state taxes. Now he's not the typical Euro - whiny, entitled, even his style of play and mindset is selfish and closest to someone like Harden then Jokic. I don't think that's the case, but I won't completely dismiss him forcing his way to Las Vegas. If a story like that comes out Mavs fans will be pissed. It's a lot worse then a historical loss in Gm7. Hardcore Mavs fans are cancelling League Pass and claim to stop following the team/NBA. I can't imagine a player/his agent will do that to a fanbase with no reason, but could be just me.

Many players who are super duper stars want to play in LA where all the celebrities are, and he idolized LeBron growing up. I think he idolized pop culture, once saying one of his biggest goals in his first 5 years in the NBA was a date with Jennifer Aniston (maybe didn't know she was 50, maybe didn't care) but I think he loves his stardom and it makes total sense he would really want to be in LA. He will be a God there. He will be more popular than LeBron there and many of their big names. I won't be surprised if he's in a movie within a couple years. He will get fat endorsements.

He must have been a fan of Friends sitcom as many teens. But even if he wanted to go to LA why would Mavs screw themselves in the process ? You don't think they will get much better offer if they made it public and don't look like villains in the process ? Doesn't make any sense from business or public relations POV. As I wrote their fanbase is threatening to stop following the team. There must be something a lot bigger behind the scenes. From Luka perspective he's going to a worse basketball situation right now and he'll be put under the radar a lot more playing for the Lakers. For someone who has regressed over the last year, injuries are starting to pile up I'm not sure he wants the extra attention on his bad conditioning.

I think they miscalculated the value, but I think they were likely afraid if they went public and all other teams knew he would leave to sign with the Lakers in 26, they felt they would lose leverage in what they could get from the Lakers. And I think their GM is really high on AD. Up until this he has made great moves after Brunson left, drafting Lively, trading a first for Kyrie, trading a first for PJ and Gafford. Many thought all those moves were dumb. I don't think this will ever be looked at as a good move but at the same time, I think they were worried about getting less, as weird as that sounds. There is the unknown of whether or not Luka comes back healthy this year at all. So he could have missed a season and no team would want to give up much for a year of a guy who just missed a season. LA could threaten to just wait and pair him with AD in 26 and not lose anything, except not keeping 41 year old LeBron.

[bwgood77]

From Mavs GM Nico Harrison's press conf:
- "We think defense wins championships."
- "Time will tell if I'm right.”
- only spoke to Lakers about a Luka deal
- Mavs owner Patrick Dumont “laughed" at first when the trade was suggested to him but fully supported the deal

Mavs GM Nico Harrison said they didn't talk to any other teams about trading Doncic. Conversations with LA picked up in the last 3 or 4 weeks.

So Mavs had their minds made up with who and what they wanted in return for Luka before they even started talking trade for Luka.

If they knew he wanted to sign with LA in 26, and they were talking for 3-4 weeks, the Lakers had a lot of leverage and simply could have said, "hey take it or leave it, we will play with LeBron and AD until the summer of 26 and then sign Luka in FA to pair with AD" and they could be left with nothing like OKC was after KD left them in FA.

[BobbieL]

From Mavs GM Nico Harrison's press conf:
- "We think defense wins championships."
- "Time will tell if I'm right.”
- only spoke to Lakers about a Luka deal
- Mavs owner Patrick Dumont “laughed" at first when the trade was suggested to him but fully supported the deal

Mavs GM Nico Harrison said they didn't talk to any other teams about trading Doncic. Conversations with LA picked up in the last 3 or 4 weeks.

So Mavs had their minds made up with who and what they wanted in return for Luka before they even started talking trade for Luka.

If they knew he wanted to sign with LA in 26, and they were talking for 3-4 weeks, the Lakers had a lot of leverage and simply could have said, "hey take it or leave it, we will play with LeBron and AD until the summer of 26 and then sign Luka in FA to pair with AD" and they could be left with nothing like OKC was after KD left them in FA.

That is true but it still seems like the Mavs could have got a bit more. Granted, if they win the title this year - doesn't matter

[sunsbg]

I think they miscalculated the value, but I think they were likely afraid if they went public and all other teams knew he would leave to sign with the Lakers in 26, they felt they would lose leverage in what they could get from the Lakers. And I think their GM is really high on AD. Up until this he has made great moves after Brunson left, drafting Lively, trading a first for Kyrie, trading a first for PJ and Gafford. Many thought all those moves were dumb. I don't think this will ever be looked at as a good move but at the same time, I think they were worried about getting less, as weird as that sounds. There is the unknown of whether or not Luka comes back healthy this year at all. So he could have missed a season and no team would want to give up much for a year of a guy who just missed a season. LA could threaten to just wait and pair him with AD in 26 and not lose anything, except not keeping 41 year old LeBron.

Apparently he didn't answer calls from Nico Harrison after the news so I still don't believe in your theory. There is absolutely no proof of it yet. Mavs GM made good moves indeed and if healthy Luka makes them at least a very strong dark horse for the title. He's scheduled to return in a week or so.

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[bwgood77]

From Mavs GM Nico Harrison's press conf:
- "We think defense wins championships."
- "Time will tell if I'm right.”
- only spoke to Lakers about a Luka deal
- Mavs owner Patrick Dumont “laughed" at first when the trade was suggested to him but fully supported the deal

Mavs GM Nico Harrison said they didn't talk to any other teams about trading Doncic. Conversations with LA picked up in the last 3 or 4 weeks.

So Mavs had their minds made up with who and what they wanted in return for Luka before they even started talking trade for Luka.

If they knew he wanted to sign with LA in 26, and they were talking for 3-4 weeks, the Lakers had a lot of leverage and simply could have said, "hey take it or leave it, we will play with LeBron and AD until the summer of 26 and then sign Luka in FA to pair with AD" and they could be left with nothing like OKC was after KD left them in FA.

That is true but it still seems like the Mavs could have got a bit more. Granted, if they win the title this year - doesn't matter

It will be interesting to see how the teams go and what other trades go down. I still have a hard time seeing anyone beat OKC 4 times. Not only this year and in the near future. The Rockets and Grizz maybe but more likely if they get Booker/Butler, etc.

[MrMiyagi]

NICO HARRISON IS A BUSINESSMAN!!!!!!