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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#861 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 2, 2025 10:47 pm

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I'd be worried about Beal saying no too. More so, really. The numbers are so close, I'm sure they could find a way-if Beal gave the thumbs up.


oh my goodness - Embiid with Booker and Durant - who would watch that nonsense?

dear god no!


You'd prefer Jimmy Butler?

Which team if fully healthy gives the best chances for a title........ I'll go with the one with the former MVP and multiple time 1st team all NBA center.

If I have to choose, that is. My preference is to move KD and Booker.


Either would make us more boring. Jimmy might provide some fun in the playoffs with big games when he steps up...if he still has it. Hasn't done it in a couple years.

Lets just hope our owner pulls his head out and we go in the other direction.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#862 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 2, 2025 10:49 pm

Qwigglez wrote:I'm still down to blow it up.

Devin Booker for Amen Thompson, Dillon Brooks, Steven Adams, Suns picks back

KD for Chet and whatever else to make salaries work. The Mavs skunked the Thunder in the playoffs last year, and they showed they can do it again without Luka this year (Mavs 3-0 against them without Luka). They need the help.

Beal can stick around. HIs contract is a net negative right now, but in two seasons it'll be valuable since it will be an expiring contract. Keep him.

Grayson might be of some value to somewhere. Maybe a three-team deal where he goes to the Magic, Suns get Coby White, Bulls get a 1st.

Suns can keep Nurkic too. His contract may be of value next season to a team looking to shed salary.

^All that said... Ishbia won't allow that to happen. He's building around Booker and KD. :lol:


I don't even think we could get Amen for Book anymore. And certainly not Chet for KD. OKC is built around defensive identity, youth, and good contracts. KD is the opposite of that. Not only that he is left them in FA with no indication he was going to so he is the most hated player in OKC....that trade would make their fans almost as livid as Mavs fans are.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#863 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Feb 2, 2025 10:52 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Maybe there wasn't an indication made by Luka's camp that they might leave, though I still think based on Nico's comments he was worried about him not signing the max...he talked about a tumultuous summer and if he doesn't sign the max extension, you are then on the clock. Maybe he got overly concerned/worried that Luka would leave and he'd have nothing. Maybe Luka wouldn't have, but I think he was scared of it.

The main reason I mention I don't think Luka said anything yet is this tweet I came across (though they could talk about him being out of shape, etc, too)..

Read on Twitter

Whether Luka wanted to leave or not, Nico jumped the shark. There's no doubt about it. They still had Luka's under contract for another season so it makes no sense to just trade him to the first (and only) team they called up
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#864 » by BobbieL » Sun Feb 2, 2025 10:57 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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oh my goodness - Embiid with Booker and Durant - who would watch that nonsense?

dear god no!


You'd prefer Jimmy Butler?

Which team if fully healthy gives the best chances for a title........ I'll go with the one with the former MVP and multiple time 1st team all NBA center.

If I have to choose, that is. My preference is to move KD and Booker.


Either would make us more boring. Jimmy might provide some fun in the playoffs with big games when he steps up...if he still has it. Hasn't done it in a couple years.

Lets just hope our owner pulls his head out and we go in the other direction.


Yes, both would make more boring
Maybe Embiid takes the team further over Butler - grant you that
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#865 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Feb 2, 2025 10:57 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#866 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Feb 2, 2025 10:57 pm

Booker for LeBron, do it Ishbia. Can't get out-stupided by the Mavs. Show them the real **** for brains NBA Franchise.
SHAZAM!

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#867 » by Slim Charless » Sun Feb 2, 2025 10:58 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:Jimmy Butler does absolutely nothing to help win us a championship. We have a 0.00% chance with him here.

Embiid, if healthy can bring us a title if Booker and KD are also healthy. Long shot. Very long shot...but much better chances than with Butler.


Our chances are at least .01% with Butler. I don't want Butler but Embiid is done. He played in 39 games last year and they lost in the first round. He has played in 13 games this year. His short career is pretty much over and he will make like $70 million in 28-29.

I really hope the Philly owner isn't reading our forum because he might try to dump him on us.

It is too bad though that we didn't follow your advice of trading Ayton for AD, and then traded AD and a first for Luka. Then we could have basically swapped out our Ayton pick for Luka for the cost of one future first. Not bad.


Your entire post is incorrect. But that's OK. You're in shock over this news. It happens and I forgive you.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#868 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:01 pm

The good thing about our team this year for fans is if they want to see a game, tickets are cheap. I see there are tickets available to see us play the Grizzlies for $8. And against the Pelicans later this month for $5. Best prices in quite some time.

https://seatgeek.com/phoenix-suns-tickets
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#869 » by BobbieL » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:02 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:I'm still down to blow it up.

Devin Booker for Amen Thompson, Dillon Brooks, Steven Adams, Suns picks back

KD for Chet and whatever else to make salaries work. The Mavs skunked the Thunder in the playoffs last year, and they showed they can do it again without Luka this year (Mavs 3-0 against them without Luka). They need the help.

Beal can stick around. HIs contract is a net negative right now, but in two seasons it'll be valuable since it will be an expiring contract. Keep him.

Grayson might be of some value to somewhere. Maybe a three-team deal where he goes to the Magic, Suns get Coby White, Bulls get a 1st.

Suns can keep Nurkic too. His contract may be of value next season to a team looking to shed salary.

^All that said... Ishbia won't allow that to happen. He's building around Booker and KD. :lol:


I don't even think we could get Amen for Book anymore. And certainly not Chet for KD. OKC is built around defensive identity, youth, and good contracts. KD is the opposite of that. Not only that he is left them in FA with no indication he was going to so he is the most hated player in OKC....that trade would make their fans almost as livid as Mavs fans are.


I think the best the Suns could get for Booker from Houston would be to wait for the summer when Greens poison pill kicks in

hard to make the math work now
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#870 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:03 pm

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That plan could change now that Ishbia is getting calls from the entire league about Booker/Durant.

That Luka trade changes **** everything.


Really don't see how this massively changes the market. Everyone who tries to use this as a barometer is going to be dismissed. Everyone but Nico Harrison thinks the deal is ridiculous, the rest of the league isn't going to suddenly lower the price on their All NBA players just to sign up for the **** that Harrison has created for himself.

Yeah there's no change in my view either. This deal that doesn't necessarily propel either team into true contender status. Both teams imo take a step back this season, LA gets better for the future, Mavs worse now and in the future.

This one-off unicorn deal is an exception. Doesn't really change the regular trades
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#871 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:03 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:Jimmy Butler does absolutely nothing to help win us a championship. We have a 0.00% chance with him here.

Embiid, if healthy can bring us a title if Booker and KD are also healthy. Long shot. Very long shot...but much better chances than with Butler.


Our chances are at least .01% with Butler. I don't want Butler but Embiid is done. He played in 39 games last year and they lost in the first round. He has played in 13 games this year. His short career is pretty much over and he will make like $70 million in 28-29.

I really hope the Philly owner isn't reading our forum because he might try to dump him on us.

It is too bad though that we didn't follow your advice of trading Ayton for AD, and then traded AD and a first for Luka. Then we could have basically swapped out our Ayton pick for Luka for the cost of one future first. Not bad.


Your entire post is incorrect. But that's OK. You're in shock over this news. It happens and I forgive you.


I know. We never could have traded Ayton for AD as you suggested. And even if we did, Luka wants to play in LA, so we probably wouldn't have been able to do that either, but it was a nice daydream.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#872 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:11 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Maybe there wasn't an indication made by Luka's camp that they might leave, though I still think based on Nico's comments he was worried about him not signing the max...he talked about a tumultuous summer and if he doesn't sign the max extension, you are then on the clock. Maybe he got overly concerned/worried that Luka would leave and he'd have nothing. Maybe Luka wouldn't have, but I think he was scared of it.

The main reason I mention I don't think Luka said anything yet is this tweet I came across (though they could talk about him being out of shape, etc, too)..

Read on Twitter

Whether Luka wanted to leave or not, Nico jumped the shark. There's no doubt about it. They still had Luka's under contract for another season so it makes no sense to just trade him to the first (and only) team they called up


With the limited information we have, I agree. But typically if you are going to get anything for a guy coming up on his first UFA, where you think he might leave, you start looking 2 years out, usually try to do it no later than the trade deadline a year and a half out, and at the very latest, the offseason before. But he said in the press conference that if he didn't sign the extension this summer that puts them on the clock. I think he may have overthought it and figured he would have less leverage at that point, which he would. And he had the unknown of how healthy Luka would come back for the rest of this season...he's been out a long time with a calf injury. But still, I think they should have gotten more. But they probably valued in today's market, AD worth about 7 firsts, given KD got the equivalent of like 10 firsts and 5 2nds and Bridges got 5 firsts, etc.

People are kind of acting a little like AD is chopped liver. He's still playing at an All NBA 1st team level. The only big playing better than him is Jokic and maybe Wemby. He's 3 years younger than when we traded a ton for KD. AD's value should be AT LEAST what KD's was, being 3 years younger.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#873 » by Slim Charless » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:14 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Our chances are at least .01% with Butler. I don't want Butler but Embiid is done. He played in 39 games last year and they lost in the first round. He has played in 13 games this year. His short career is pretty much over and he will make like $70 million in 28-29.

I really hope the Philly owner isn't reading our forum because he might try to dump him on us.

It is too bad though that we didn't follow your advice of trading Ayton for AD, and then traded AD and a first for Luka. Then we could have basically swapped out our Ayton pick for Luka for the cost of one future first. Not bad.


Your entire post is incorrect. But that's OK. You're in shock over this news. It happens and I forgive you.


I know. We never could have traded Ayton for AD as you suggested. And even if we did, Luka wants to play in LA, so we probably wouldn't have been able to do that either, but it was a nice daydream.


:roll:

You're lashing out. That's why you are bringing up an off hand comment I made one-time pre Covid lol.

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#874 » by Sunsdeuce » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:18 pm

Nothing more insulting than NBA superstars saying they “sacrificed” anything in their lives. I stop taking them serious when they use those type of terms.
I am such a lucky NBA fan. 8647 My favorite team went from the most greedy and racist owner to the most ego driven dumbass owner in all of sports fdt.

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Post#875 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:20 pm

Slim Charless wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
Your entire post is incorrect. But that's OK. You're in shock over this news. It happens and I forgive you.


I know. We never could have traded Ayton for AD as you suggested. And even if we did, Luka wants to play in LA, so we probably wouldn't have been able to do that either, but it was a nice daydream.


:roll:

You're lashing out. That's why you are bringing up an off hand comment I made one-time pre Covid lol.

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Pre covid? No, you suggested we trade Ayton for AD around the same time you were suggesting trading him for Zion. This was after it was obvious we would probably trade him. We only had Ayton like 1 season before Covid.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#876 » by bwgood77 » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:22 pm

This youtube video was posted in August of 24 about how the Lakers planned to go hard after Luka and had made sure they had the cap space ready in 2026. So they let it be known...which obviously Luka knew about.

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Post#877 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:23 pm

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More evidence of collusion that just makes the typical Lakers benefits from.the league and shady connections indicating how they operate.
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Post#878 » by sunskerr » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:27 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
I know. We never could have traded Ayton for AD as you suggested. And even if we did, Luka wants to play in LA, so we probably wouldn't have been able to do that either, but it was a nice daydream.


:roll:

You're lashing out. That's why you are bringing up an off hand comment I made one-time pre Covid lol.

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Pre covid? No, you suggested we trade Ayton for AD around the same time you were suggesting trading him for Zion. This was after it was obvious we would probably trade him. We only had Ayton like 1 season before Covid.


Damn y'all remember trade proposals from pre COVID?

I hardly remember anything I posted last week. But all I know is that I am never ever wrong and if you find something I posted that was proven untrue with time then I got hacked.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#879 » by Qwigglez » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:32 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:I'm still down to blow it up.

Devin Booker for Amen Thompson, Dillon Brooks, Steven Adams, Suns picks back

KD for Chet and whatever else to make salaries work. The Mavs skunked the Thunder in the playoffs last year, and they showed they can do it again without Luka this year (Mavs 3-0 against them without Luka). They need the help.

Beal can stick around. HIs contract is a net negative right now, but in two seasons it'll be valuable since it will be an expiring contract. Keep him.

Grayson might be of some value to somewhere. Maybe a three-team deal where he goes to the Magic, Suns get Coby White, Bulls get a 1st.

Suns can keep Nurkic too. His contract may be of value next season to a team looking to shed salary.

^All that said... Ishbia won't allow that to happen. He's building around Booker and KD. :lol:


I don't even think we could get Amen for Book anymore. And certainly not Chet for KD. OKC is built around defensive identity, youth, and good contracts. KD is the opposite of that. Not only that he is left them in FA with no indication he was going to so he is the most hated player in OKC....that trade would make their fans almost as livid as Mavs fans are.



I don't think any of it is possible. :lol:
But I also didn't think Luka getting traded was possible either.
You can spin it however you want, but there will always be a counter point. Can say something along the lines of "KD redemption arc trying to win a championship with the team that he spent 8 seasons with (9 if you include Sonics)."
Rockets trading for Booker, while Booker is in his prime would make sense too IMO.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#880 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Feb 2, 2025 11:37 pm

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Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shaquille O'Neal, LeBron James and Luka Doncic all traded to/acquired by the Lakers with prime tread on their tires. It's not an accident. The league feeds the Lakers. As the NBA struggles to maintain domestic relevance, the latest trade is no surprise.

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