2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

Ghost of Kleine · Post #961 » by **Ghost of Kleine** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 5:58 am

Bogyo · Post #962 » by **Bogyo** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:15 am

sunsbum wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Read on Twitter

Beal will stay strong and hold the line for us!

Yeah, this isn’t a movie as the trade is happening a few days from today. It’ll be Butler for Beal, Dunn, & picks. The writing is on the wall and Ishbia is about to make a huge splash.
I doubt it, heat have lost all their leverage. Also even if they hadn’t I doubt we trade Dunn.

Have you seen ANY of the JJ trades? You know if someone is cornered with their superstar ONLY wanting to come here he overpays.
So bet your azz its Beal, all of the picks, Dunn and whatever else he finds in his pocket besides lint.

Post #963 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:17 am

Pat Riley needs to just let it go. Trade Butler already. Heat are not getting Luka. Just be happy you are getting a former all-star player.

bullsaficianado · Post #964 » by **bullsaficianado** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:27 am

Qwigglez wrote:Pat Riley needs to just let it go. Trade Butler already. Heat are not getting Luka. Just be happy you are getting a former all-star player.

I agree. Just do the Butler/Beal trade already. He will waive his NTC to go to Miami and he is friends with Bam. You will likely get 3 1st round picks. They wanted expirings for cap space in 2026 for Luka or Fox. That's not happening anymore. You will have a player that actually wants to play and be there.

Dr Manute · Post #965 » by **Dr Manute** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:33 am

bullsaficianado wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Pat Riley needs to just let it go. Trade Butler already. Heat are not getting Luka. Just be happy you are getting a former all-star player.

I agree. Just do the Butler/Beal trade already. He will waive his NTC to go to Miami and he is friends with Bam. You will likely get 3 1st round picks. They wanted expirings for cap space in 2026 for Luka or Fox. That's not happening anymore. You will have a player that actually wants to play and be there.

Don't give 3 firsts! Shouldn"t have to anymore. We are the only team that has an offer.

mkot · Post #966 » by **mkot** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:41 am

The Spurs got to keep Castle, Vessell and even Keldon Johnson and also got to dump that horrible contract of Zach Colllins WITHOUT giving up that 2025 unprotected 1st from Atlanta

I hate this league

MrMiyagi · Post #967 » by **MrMiyagi** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:55 am

**** it, if other teams get magical Christmas land trades, why shouldn't we?

I'd do Beal for Cam Johnson and Nick Claxton, Nurkic and Grayson for Coby White and Lonzo Ball. Between Lonzo's expiring and our vet minimum guys coming off the books next season, we should be close to sliding under the 2nd apron.

Mr Puddles · Post #968 » by **Mr Puddles** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:59 am

Bogyo wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:
Yeah, this isn’t a movie as the trade is happening a few days from today. It’ll be Butler for Beal, Dunn, & picks. The writing is on the wall and Ishbia is about to make a huge splash.
I doubt it, heat have lost all their leverage. Also even if they hadn’t I doubt we trade Dunn.

Have you seen ANY of the JJ trades? You know if someone is cornered with their superstar ONLY wanting to come here he overpays.
So bet your azz its Beal, all of the picks, Dunn and whatever else he finds in his pocket besides lint.

All our picks + Dunn would mean the Suns payed a bigger haul for Butler than the Spurs did for Fox. The market has been set for guys looking to extend in Doncic and Fox. Butler has pretty much indicated that he'll only sign an extention with Phoenix.

There is no reason for the Suns to get skinned here.

SkyBill40 · Post #969 » by **SkyBill40** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:13 am

Again, we are NOT able to aggregate contracts.. so this Dunn stuff needs to stop. We'd have to trade him straight up and not take any more money back (or take less - and that would be all too typical of Jones).

Mr Puddles · Post #970 » by **Mr Puddles** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:32 am

SkyBill40 wrote:Again, we are NOT able to aggregate contracts.. so this Dunn stuff needs to stop. We'd have to trade him straight up and not take any more money back (or take less - and that would be all too typical of Jones).

Dunn talk needs to stop but not aggregating is not the reason. The Suns could simply arrange two seperate trades.

That being said, including Dunn in a trade for Butler should be a non starter.

nh09 · Post #971 » by **nh09** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:32 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
Bogyo wrote:
sunsbum wrote: I doubt it, heat have lost all their leverage. Also even if they hadn’t I doubt we trade Dunn.

Have you seen ANY of the JJ trades? You know if someone is cornered with their superstar ONLY wanting to come here he overpays.
So bet your azz its Beal, all of the picks, Dunn and whatever else he finds in his pocket besides lint.

All our picks + Dunn would mean the Suns payed a bigger haul for Butler than the Spurs did for Fox. The market has been set for guys looking to extend in Doncic and Fox. Butler has pretty much indicated that he'll only sign an extention with Phoenix.

There is no reason for the Suns to get skinned here.

They didn't have a bad contract like Beal has, but honestly it is just one more year than Butler's contract for a player that can maybe be a good fit for the Heat.
We can't overpay For Butler obviously, because even if we land Butler and keep Dunn we are still missing probably a PF and a backup C if we want to contend. IMO we should try getting Butler, Avdija for Allen if they won't take Nurk and 2 of those picks, and maybe Yabusele for Jones because we aren't getting nothing better than that with the assets we have probably. If we can't do all of these moves or similar then there isn't any point to get Butler because he isn't enough and it would be better to blow it up.

Mr Puddles · Post #972 » by **Mr Puddles** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:35 am

nh09 wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
Bogyo wrote:
Have you seen ANY of the JJ trades? You know if someone is cornered with their superstar ONLY wanting to come here he overpays.
So bet your azz its Beal, all of the picks, Dunn and whatever else he finds in his pocket besides lint.

All our picks + Dunn would mean the Suns payed a bigger haul for Butler than the Spurs did for Fox. The market has been set for guys looking to extend in Doncic and Fox. Butler has pretty much indicated that he'll only sign an extention with Phoenix.

There is no reason for the Suns to get skinned here.

They didn't have a bad contract like Beal has, but honestly it is just one more year than Butler's contract for a player that can maybe be a good fit for the Heat.
We can't overpay For Butler obviously, because even if we land Butler and keep Dunn we are still missing probably a PF and a backup C if we want to contend. IMO we should try getting Butler, Avdija for Allen if they won't take Nurk and 2 of those picks, and maybe Yabusele for Jones because we aren't getting nothing better than that with the assets we have probably. If we can't do all of these moves or similar then there isn't any point to get Butler because he isn't enough and it would be better to blow it up.

Lavine's contract is not much better than Beal's. They're getting a bunch of second rounders, a 2027 spurs pick which isn't worth much with the young talent on that team, and a 2031 wolves pick which is too far into the future to project. They're not getting any young studs like Dunn.

A trade for Fox and a trade for Butler shouldn't be anywhere close in terms of value.

Post #973 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:55 am

My prediction:
Suns will get Jimmy Butler, Lakers will get Clint Capela, Warriors get Nikola Vucevic, Grizzlies will get Cam Johnson.

sunsbg · Post #974 » by **sunsbg** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 8:14 am

If Dunn was included it'd be a done deal by now. Don't think both FOs are that stupid - our to offer, Heat to reject it. The second Butler signs his extension he becomes as bad of a contract as Beal, if not worse. Beal + 1st is all we should offer.

Saberestar · Post #975 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 8:30 am

Dr Manute wrote:
bullsaficianado wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Pat Riley needs to just let it go. Trade Butler already. Heat are not getting Luka. Just be happy you are getting a former all-star player.

I agree. Just do the Butler/Beal trade already. He will waive his NTC to go to Miami and he is friends with Bam. You will likely get 3 1st round picks. They wanted expirings for cap space in 2026 for Luka or Fox. That's not happening anymore. You will have a player that actually wants to play and be there.

Don't give 3 firsts! Shouldn"t have to anymore. We are the only team that has an offer.

Most of the times those FRPs are low protected or unprotected but we are talking about giving up of three SUPERLOW FRPs. Realistically we are just offering one FRP (2031 unprotected) so the value is fair.

Beal + 3 FRPs (2031 FRP) for Butler is the offer but I doubt the Heat accepts it because Beal is a TERRIBLE contract. It's more terrible now that 1 year ago with the way he has been playing on the Suns.

Personally I would add a 2nd + Oso Ighodaro (in a parallel trade) but I wouldn't include Dunn.

Saberestar · Post #976 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 8:40 am

Barry Jackson from the Miami Herald

If Butler deters every non Suns team from trading for him, and if he opts in for 52.4 M next season, and nobody still wants Beal this summer, it will be incumbent upon Adam Silver to intervene. This circus can't continue for 14 more months

garrick · Post #977 » by **garrick** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 10:40 am

We shouldn't be adding any draft capital if we're going to trade for Butler but knowing JJ and Ishbia they are likely going to add 2 of our 1sts in order to sign and extend Butler for the max....

What we SHOULD be doing is adding more size and toughness, this is just a lateral move that doesn't do much to address our lack of size.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #978 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 10:56 am

The 2031 unprotected was the only draft asset we had of any meaning

All these 3-4 way swapped picks are pretty useless to base a rebuild on

BobbieL · Post #979 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 12:15 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Are Booker and Durant the problem theyre the only constant.

Yes. They are the problem and adding butler won’t help

Just three dudes happy to be making 175 not caring

BobbieL · Post #980 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Feb 3, 2025 12:20 pm

Saberestar wrote:Barry Jackson from the Miami Herald
If Butler deters every non Suns team from trading for him, and if he opts in for 52.4 M next season, and nobody still wants Beal this summer, it will be incumbent upon Adam Silver to intervene. This circus can't continue for 14 more months

Why would silver intervene

That’s stupid

And the price for butler should be one.. ONE FRP
That’s it at this point