2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

[bwgood77]

Quick question for Suns fans. How would you guys feel about Beal if a trade leaks out that he ended up flexing his NTC that cost you both Butler and resulted in trading Durant. I saw recently his wife get heckled at a game. Do you think the narrative heightens and just becomes an irreversible awkward situation between him and the fan base?

Well, a lot of the people here would be happy if that happened, because many (probably most) of us don't think we are going anywhere and don't want to waste more assets on Jimmy and would prefer to get picks and young players for KD. We are the oldest team in the league with the highest payroll and are like tied for the 10th seed with the toughest schedule left.

We need a rim protector more than Jimmy anyway. I'd much prefer if we were not going to trade KD and maybe Book that we go after a player like Nic Claxton (and maybe Cam) than 36 year old whiny petulant Butler. We don't really need more entitled players.

[bwgood77]

Quick question for Suns fans. How would you guys feel about Beal if a trade leaks out that he ended up flexing his NTC that cost you both Butler and resulted in trading Durant. I saw recently his wife get heckled at a game. Do you think the narrative heightens and just becomes an irreversible awkward situation between him and the fan base?

Beal is a stand up guy. I don’t think there will be ill will against him. Besides, he isn’t the problem. Our owner and GM are problem.

I disagree. I think people will be awful to him (undeservedly). This fanbase is getting very good at creating a toxic narrative around players recently (see Ayton, Nurkic, now Beal) and I dont see that changing if he decides to look out for himself n his family, unfortunately. I hope Im wrong but...

Yeah, I do think many will be awful to him. My earlier response was more because he addresssed us as "you guys" so I was speaking for me and I know how a few others probably feel.

[49erhokie827]

Give me some rotational upgrades if no butler. You have Nurk, Tyus, picks and possibly Grayson (although i wouldn't trade him) to work with. I feel like they can catch lightning in a bottle (maybe). Then you move Beal back into the starting lineup unless you get a starting 3 and D piece.

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[sunsfan1o1]

Give me some rotational upgrades if no butler. You have Nurk, Tyus, picks and possibly Grayson (although i wouldn't trade him) to work with. I feel like they can catch lightning in a bottle (maybe). Then you move Beal back into the starting lineup unless you get a starting 3 and D piece.

Tyus needs to go. He’s useless. He’s actually the reason we’re losing. Nick Richards ain’t that good either. Nurkic is better. Suns front office needs some psychotherapy

[BobbieL]

Quick question for Suns fans. How would you guys feel about Beal if a trade leaks out that he ended up flexing his NTC that cost you both Butler and resulted in trading Durant. I saw recently his wife get heckled at a game. Do you think the narrative heightens and just becomes an irreversible awkward situation between him and the fan base?

Well, a lot of the people here would be happy if that happened, because many (probably most) of us don't think we are going anywhere and don't want to waste more assets on Jimmy and would prefer to get picks and young players for KD. We are the oldest team in the league with the highest payroll and are like tied for the 10th seed with the toughest schedule left.

We need a rim protector more than Jimmy anyway. I'd much prefer if we were not going to trade KD and maybe Book that we go after a player like Nic Claxton (and maybe Cam) than 36 year old whiny petulant Butler. We don't really need more entitled players.

Exactly - just made this point!

It almost seems like Ishbia wants to spend draft capital to move on Beal as much as trying to improve the team. Meaning the main goal is to move Beal but if you can improve the roster - so be it

Whereas - if you attached a FRP to Nurkic, what could you get? Or if you attached to Allen - what could you get

Keep Beal but improve the greater roster that would be better in the playoffs. Now that would make sense to me. Still would want to blow it up - but at least that makes sense. Butler just doesn't make sense for this roster - besides the entitled declining part.

[TeamTragic]

Give me some rotational upgrades if no butler. You have Nurk, Tyus, picks and possibly Grayson (although i wouldn't trade him) to work with. I feel like they can catch lightning in a bottle (maybe). Then you move Beal back into the starting lineup unless you get a starting 3 and D piece.

Tyus needs to go. He’s useless. He’s actually the reason we’re losing. Nick Richards ain’t that good either. Nurkic is better. Suns front office needs some psychotherapy

I would agree that the roster is not ideal but Richards is not the problem and Nurkic is not better.

[bwgood77]

With Shams repeating the same line over and over everyday about Butler to the Suns and now over 4-5 teams involved i’m shocked nobody’s pressed anyone about a potential hypothetical list that Beal would waive his NTC. Just waiting for the first leaked trade that Beal nixes to see the backlash. Something is bound to leak here soon. Just too much smoke. Shams has been pounding the table with Butler to Suns.

If you go through all these pages, a lot of people here wait Beal to block the trade because a lot of us don’t see Butler moving the needle for this team.

This brings a little more clarity to the situation. As a Heat fan i’ve seen Butler do some pretty heroic things with a lot less than you guys have. I think he’s an absolute perfect fit between Durant and Booker. If he’s engaged he becomes superhuman in the playoffs hence the term “Playoff Jimmy”. Unfortunately our books can’t handle Beal’s contract hence why the team that can take it on needs to emerge and him needing to agree with that team to bring this to the finish line. Butler is also tight with Tyus Jones too btw

I think Butler is the perfect fit in theory, but these guys are going to be 37 and 36 and even with KD, Book and solid role players, our defense overall is not good enough, and we really lack size and a defensive player in the middle.

But mainly, it's still not a team that would come close to beating OKC, Memphis, Houston or several others 4 times. We just lost twice to Portland.

Even if Jimmy and KD were awesome and the won a couple games, there is little chance they win a series, much less 2 or more of them. And this team is just getting older with no assets. Do you really think it would be smart for the Suns to sign Jimmy for 2 more years at $112 million and take 37/38 year old KD and 36/37 year old Butler and think we could battle against OKC, Houston, Memphis, SA, LA, etc, the next two years?

[bwgood77]

Suns can’t be choosy.
They are behind it

Take a good deal

Thinking like this is what led to Luka getting traded for AD lol.

Like your exact post is what Dallas's GM was likely thinking when he just took the 1st offer. Blonde is right. The Dubs offer is crap and we can do better. Have to talk to Houston first and foremost.

Im like 85-90% sure the Rockets do not care about Durant. The ages don't line up. Would they do KD for something like salary filler+Jalen Green? Sure, but you wouldnt get all our picks back (if any) /additional prospects like if it was Booker going to Houston.

But as I said before I also don't really like Kuminga or Podziemski. But also KD is 37 next season, so we shouldn't be expecting back a blue chip prospect and a boatload of picks.

It's probably the prudent move to wait to the offseason for trading Durant (and subsequently Booker), I agree. There's no reason not to. But we should set our expectations from other teams at around whatever the Warriors are actually offering and then pick the best one.

GS may want him more now given this is one of the last potential playoff runs for Curry. There may be less chance they do it in the summer. When a guy is 36 and near 37, I think a team or teams are likely to give up more if they get him for this one, while he is the youngest. This playoff run is probably worth a decent chunk of the trade. How many more does he have left? 3? 4 tops? This year is looking like he will likely miss it anyway if he's with us.

I wonder what the other KD calls are and what they are offering?

[BobbieL]

Thinking like this is what led to Luka getting traded for AD lol.

Like your exact post is what Dallas's GM was likely thinking when he just took the 1st offer. Blonde is right. The Dubs offer is crap and we can do better. Have to talk to Houston first and foremost.

Im like 85-90% sure the Rockets do not care about Durant. The ages don't line up. Would they do KD for something like salary filler+Jalen Green? Sure, but you wouldnt get all our picks back (if any) /additional prospects like if it was Booker going to Houston.

But as I said before I also don't really like Kuminga or Podziemski. But also KD is 37 next season, so we shouldn't be expecting back a blue chip prospect and a boatload of picks.

It's probably the prudent move to wait to the offseason for trading Durant (and subsequently Booker), I agree. There's no reason not to. But we should set our expectations from other teams at around whatever the Warriors are actually offering and then pick the best one.

GS may want him more now given this is one of the last potential playoff runs for Curry. There may be less chance they do it in the summer. When a guy is 36 and near 37, I think a team or teams are likely to give up more if they get him for this one, while he is the youngest. This playoff run is probably worth a decent chunk of the trade. How many more does he have left? 3? 4 tops? This year is looking like he will likely miss it anyway if he's with us.

I wonder what the other KD calls are and what they are offering?

Look at this one. ESPN must think Ishbia is desperate because it includes all three FRPs and Ryan Dunn to get Jimmy Butler. Which has been my theory of would happen if Ishbia got a bee in his bonnet and just had to get Jimmy Butler!!!

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[bwgood77]

Trade em all. Neither Booker with his empty stats, Durant with his garbage, and Beal with his....literally nothing memorable whatsoever matter at all to this franchise.

None of those players matter. They never have mattered.

Absolutely worthless roster. Mercenary garbage sucks. Boring, soulless crap. Keep Dunn and whatever two or three other new players and get rid of everyone else by the deadline for whatever the **** you can get.

Never wanna see those fools in Suns jerseys ever again.

Beal stays and gets his jersey retired if his NTC leads to us getting a haul this summer for Durant and Booker.

Honestly Beal is would be a good professional humble vet to have around if we were rebuilding. I mean not worth the price, but just saying it wouldn't be all bad if we had some younger cheaper role players, rookie contracts, etc, to have a professional vet around who's been an all star, won playoff series, etc. He seems like a pretty positive guy. He's been pretty positive out there despite all this crap the Suns have Shams slinging around.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[49erhokie827]

Im like 85-90% sure the Rockets do not care about Durant. The ages don't line up. Would they do KD for something like salary filler+Jalen Green? Sure, but you wouldnt get all our picks back (if any) /additional prospects like if it was Booker going to Houston.

But as I said before I also don't really like Kuminga or Podziemski. But also KD is 37 next season, so we shouldn't be expecting back a blue chip prospect and a boatload of picks.

It's probably the prudent move to wait to the offseason for trading Durant (and subsequently Booker), I agree. There's no reason not to. But we should set our expectations from other teams at around whatever the Warriors are actually offering and then pick the best one.

GS may want him more now given this is one of the last potential playoff runs for Curry. There may be less chance they do it in the summer. When a guy is 36 and near 37, I think a team or teams are likely to give up more if they get him for this one, while he is the youngest. This playoff run is probably worth a decent chunk of the trade. How many more does he have left? 3? 4 tops? This year is looking like he will likely miss it anyway if he's with us.

I wonder what the other KD calls are and what they are offering?

Look at this one. ESPN must think Ishbia is desperate because it includes all three FRPs and Ryan Dunn to get Jimmy Butler. Which has been my theory of would happen if Ishbia got a bee in his bonnet and just had to get Jimmy Butler!!!

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ESPN just click baiting people and they got you and now you believe even more this is whats going to happen IF it happens. And this is your see I told you guys that Isbhbia is a clown moment.

[Saberestar]

Im like 85-90% sure the Rockets do not care about Durant. The ages don't line up. Would they do KD for something like salary filler+Jalen Green? Sure, but you wouldnt get all our picks back (if any) /additional prospects like if it was Booker going to Houston.

But as I said before I also don't really like Kuminga or Podziemski. But also KD is 37 next season, so we shouldn't be expecting back a blue chip prospect and a boatload of picks.

It's probably the prudent move to wait to the offseason for trading Durant (and subsequently Booker), I agree. There's no reason not to. But we should set our expectations from other teams at around whatever the Warriors are actually offering and then pick the best one.

GS may want him more now given this is one of the last potential playoff runs for Curry. There may be less chance they do it in the summer. When a guy is 36 and near 37, I think a team or teams are likely to give up more if they get him for this one, while he is the youngest. This playoff run is probably worth a decent chunk of the trade. How many more does he have left? 3? 4 tops? This year is looking like he will likely miss it anyway if he's with us.

I wonder what the other KD calls are and what they are offering?

Look at this one. ESPN must think Ishbia is desperate because it includes all three FRPs and Ryan Dunn to get Jimmy Butler. Which has been my theory of would happen if Ishbia got a bee in his bonnet and just had to get Jimmy Butler!!!

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Beal coming back to the Wizards would be hilarious lol.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This looks really good for us! I wonder when reality might actually begin to finally set in?

[Puff]

I think Allen is the guy that is going to get moved. All this other stuff is just that.

I like the Durrant trade to GS but it is not going to happen.

This is a three man team with or without Jimmy Butler. Somehow the brain trust or coach thinks The Giraffe flailing in a waterfall named, Plumlee, and this worthless big Richards are better than Nurkic. They just aren't.

WTF happened to Oso, he was the one guy I enjoyed watching play the 5. What we needed was not Richards but another big that could actually shoot the ball. We are playing the worst center combination in the league. However, if we did get someone that could shoot, they would never get a shot because our BIG freaking three have to get their points.

This is a total crap pile and it could have been avoided.

Ishbia needs to send out an apology to the fan base.

[bullsaficianado]

Im like 85-90% sure the Rockets do not care about Durant. The ages don't line up. Would they do KD for something like salary filler+Jalen Green? Sure, but you wouldnt get all our picks back (if any) /additional prospects like if it was Booker going to Houston.

But as I said before I also don't really like Kuminga or Podziemski. But also KD is 37 next season, so we shouldn't be expecting back a blue chip prospect and a boatload of picks.

It's probably the prudent move to wait to the offseason for trading Durant (and subsequently Booker), I agree. There's no reason not to. But we should set our expectations from other teams at around whatever the Warriors are actually offering and then pick the best one.

GS may want him more now given this is one of the last potential playoff runs for Curry. There may be less chance they do it in the summer. When a guy is 36 and near 37, I think a team or teams are likely to give up more if they get him for this one, while he is the youngest. This playoff run is probably worth a decent chunk of the trade. How many more does he have left? 3? 4 tops? This year is looking like he will likely miss it anyway if he's with us.

I wonder what the other KD calls are and what they are offering?

Look at this one. ESPN must think Ishbia is desperate because it includes all three FRPs and Ryan Dunn to get Jimmy Butler. Which has been my theory of would happen if Ishbia got a bee in his bonnet and just had to get Jimmy Butler!!!

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Why the f**k would Beal want to go back to Wizards?

[TeamTragic]

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This looks really good for us! I wonder when reality might actually begin to finally set in?

It starts with a 50 point loss to the Thunder tomorrow.

[BobbieL]

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This looks really good for us! I wonder when reality might actually begin to finally set in?

Just call Joe Lacob and get the Durant deal done.

That right there is reality.

[Saberestar]

This trade makes sense for all teams involved IMO.

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