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Castle Black wrote:Kinda goes without saying but yea. I fully expect him to drop 50 on the Mavs in 3 weeks.
Raps in 4 wrote:chrisab123 wrote:If I ever felt bad for a Millionaire it would be for AD. Really good player and doesn’t deserve the **** he’s going to get for this
I mean, this was the same guy who demanded a trade to the Lakers in 2019 with no regard for the Pelicans or their fans. Getting traded like this is kind of karmic.
ConSarnit wrote:Ryoga Hibiki wrote:mkot wrote:
Right? The more I read and see the more confusing this is.
In fact I feel even more frustrated if I'm a Mavs fan after watching Luka in the presser. He looks heartbroken
I'm one of those fans that like team riding with THEIR guys and see things unfold winning it all or not so this trade upset me a lot. I can't imagine how devastating this is for Mavs fan. These mofos just don't seem to understand sport team is not your normal business, it belongs to the community, people invested a lot of emotion on their team and players. GM can resign or get fired and owner can sell team, but fans are forever, it's THEIR team!
the more I collect info, the more I think that Nico didn't consult anybody, the owner is hands off and trusted him, and he got played like a violin by his "friend" Pelinka.
All in all, he's an idiot.
Occum's razor is the most likely explanation.
Harrison valued Luka vs AD far closer than the general consensus. Pair this with his own belief in "defense, work ethic, etc" and you can see why he made this trade. Add on that all he had to do was sell one other person (Patrick Dumont, who may or may not know anything about basketball) and you can see how this trade gets made. It could be as simple as one person (Harrison) convincing another (Dumont) that this was in the best interest of the Mavs. There were no real check or balances to stop this trade outside of 2 people. We've seen plenty of dumb owner/GM combo's before.
None of this excuses Harrison but if he holds differing valuations than others around the league this trade makes sense. It's stupid but you can see his logic.
It's not some grand league-wide conspiracy. Just one dumb guy (Harrison) convincing an ignorant guy (Dumont) to go along with his dumb plan.
ConSarnit wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Ballerhogger wrote:Yea he’s already the prince of LA . He will get ton support.
but if what Mav-relous is right and the Mavs started cutting Lukas friends BEFORE the new ownership, then you are indicating that Cuban was allowing people to get rid of Lukas friends and thus risking making Luka unhappy INTENTIONALLY.... WAYYYY before Nico or before the new ownership.
if this is true, you are indicating (not intentionally) that Luka has been a problem that the Mavs have been trying to rein in for a while.
Then if Cuban realizes that Luka is too much of a problem and that eventually he has to do something more serious about it before Luka gets to the super max ...............so he SELLS HIS SHARES of the team while Luka is under contract...which would be when the Mavs value would be at an all time high.
So cuban is selling as HIGH as possible...because the second they traded Luka the mavs probably lost 30% or more of their value.....anyone thinking this is hyperbole, Luka IS the mavs most valuable asset.
Imagine what would happen if Apple stopped selling iPhones? they still got other products but apple would loose 20-50% of market value instantly!
This is hyperbole because when Lebron left the Cavs (a far more devastating move financially) it was estimated they lost 25% of their value. I don't see how Luka being traded hurt the value of their franchise more so than Lebron leaving when the Mavs still have stars in Kyrie and Davis. When Lebron left the Cavs their remaining attraction was Mo Williams.
Mavrelous wrote:
Either Cowherd is making things up, or Nico started leaking cover up stuff after the backlash he didn't imagine he will get.
This is on Nico Harrison, ownership is guilty for approving his mad experiment, but he planned this whole thing.
Dirk2Doncic wrote:This was masterminded by Nico Harrison. He told everyone what happened in the presser. People need to start believing him.
He's a corporate high level executive narcissist. Narcissism at that level in today's corporate America is more the rule than not. Think about Nico's words and body language including the smiling and laughter in the presser - it was pure narcissism.
NIco went to West Point. He's a regimented guy. Luka is not. Luka is Shaq #2 in that regard. Would have been insane to trade Shaq which is why the Lakers didn't. It was insane to trade Luka. Don't get me wrong, Luka is a basketball junkie who continues to play for his country, basketball is his vice.
After Luka reached into the chest of all the Minnesota fans in the arena and ripped out their heart he held it out to show them while it was still beating and then looked at 1 fan who had been taunting him and SCREAMED...
"Who's crying now mfer!!!" Snoop Dog who was sitting in the area starts laughing his A@@off. I've heard Snoop talk about it - he LOVED it - because Snoop knows what that means. And so do most of you reading this. It's rare, it's Larry Legend #2. It's competitor at a maniac level.
We' will never see it again in a Mavericks uniform. The league won't even get to see it again until he's on another contender, at least not on that stage. That's what Nico Harrison took from the world (with ownership signing off on it).
Tim Cato does a Mavericks podcast with Mark Stein at DLLS Sports. Tim wrote an article...?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1886840431004278942%7Ctwgr%5E7738b09f450abe829690f3ac92d07b6d747dbd10%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2436145start%3D440
From Mavs Moneyball...Nico Harrison now stands alone
After spending four years building a contender and endearing himself to Mavericks fans, the former Nike executive and current Dallas GM has put his career on the line by making a trade no one can agree with.
https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2025/2/4/24358060/nico-harrison-now-stands-alone-dallas-mavericks-luka-doncic-nba-trade-deadline
Michael Bradley wrote:
Cowherd's theory makes no sense. Why would Nico not shop Luka around for the best offer he could get if ownership was pressuring him to make a trade? Ownership insisting Luka be traded specifically for AD would be insane, and also unrealistic even if their ownership knew about basketball (which they apparently don't). If I'm a GM and my boss says "trade Luka" (whether I agreed with it or not), I'm not sending him to my buddy's team for 50 cents on the dollar (no disrespect to AD as a player but value-wise it is what it is) just to make a move. I'm trading Luka to get the absolute best value I could get short and long term. This accomplishes neither.
I'm on the "league conspiracy" bandwagon, and usually I'm the one telling people to relax with the conspiracy theory stuff. We will never see another trade like this, unless Nico trades AD back to the Lakers for Gabe Vincent and a pick in the next 24 hours after having brunch at a diner with Pelinka (after ownership insists they make that trade, obviously).
Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:Mavrelous wrote:
Either Cowherd is making things up, or Nico started leaking cover up stuff after the backlash he didn't imagine he will get.
This is on Nico Harrison, ownership is guilty for approving his mad experiment, but he planned this whole thing.
What do you think of my little theory that Nico is not very bright, and Rob Pelinka was asking him out on lunches for a long time now, to plant seeds in Nico's head against Luka.... and then finally, last month, Pelinka asks him "would you ever trade luka" to finally begin Pelinka's evil plan of taking advantage of his old nike friend?
The whole thing about "we have to keep it a secret from everyone"... who does this benefit? Pelinka or Nico? obviously pelinka.
Then Nico, after being brainwashed by Pelinka, goes to his Mavs owners and sells them on this trade.
Seems to me Nico was taken advantage of.
Pelinka just sold his own soul and "cashed in" on a friendship of 20+ years, to bask in the glory of the Luka trade.
CobraCommander wrote:Castle Black wrote:Kinda goes without saying but yea. I fully expect him to drop 50 on the Mavs in 3 weeks.
I again went to the future and got footage of Luka leading the Lakers into a game against the Mavs....
Luka is dropping 82 on the Mavs in honor of Kobe and starting to lay claim to the greatest Laker....
when Luka is so fit that I can see his chiseled abs through his jersey when he throws down a two hand dunk on AD his conversion to the Dark Side will be complete
Raps in 4 wrote:Michael Bradley wrote:
Cowherd's theory makes no sense. Why would Nico not shop Luka around for the best offer he could get if ownership was pressuring him to make a trade? Ownership insisting Luka be traded specifically for AD would be insane, and also unrealistic even if their ownership knew about basketball (which they apparently don't). If I'm a GM and my boss says "trade Luka" (whether I agreed with it or not), I'm not sending him to my buddy's team for 50 cents on the dollar (no disrespect to AD as a player but value-wise it is what it is) just to make a move. I'm trading Luka to get the absolute best value I could get short and long term. This accomplishes neither.
I'm on the "league conspiracy" bandwagon, and usually I'm the one telling people to relax with the conspiracy theory stuff. We will never see another trade like this, unless Nico trades AD back to the Lakers for Gabe Vincent and a pick in the next 24 hours after having brunch at a diner with Pelinka (after ownership insists they make that trade, obviously).
I think ownership ordered him to trade Luka, so he used the opportunity to enrich his friend by giving him Luka for free.
Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:Mavrelous wrote:
Either Cowherd is making things up, or Nico started leaking cover up stuff after the backlash he didn't imagine he will get.
This is on Nico Harrison, ownership is guilty for approving his mad experiment, but he planned this whole thing.
What do you think of my little theory that Nico is not very bright, and Rob Pelinka was asking him out on lunches for a long time now, to plant seeds in Nico's head against Luka.... and then finally, last month, Pelinka asks him "would you ever trade luka" to finally begin Pelinka's evil plan of taking advantage of his old nike friend?
The whole thing about "we have to keep it a secret from everyone"... who does this benefit? Pelinka or Nico? obviously pelinka.
Then Nico, after being brainwashed by Pelinka, goes to his Mavs owners and sells them on this trade.
Seems to me Nico was taken advantage of.
Pelinka just sold his own soul and "cashed in" on a friendship of 20+ years, to bask in the glory of the Luka trade.
Onus wrote:The more and more I read about it the more it seems like Nico dreamt it, came up with it and executed it and sold it to the owners. The owners green lighting a refund for season ticket holders isn't something you do if you were the one that came up with the trade demand. They're admitting someone **** up and trying to make it right. Nico probably has 2 years to win a title before he gets fired, but at least he can say he went out with a team that he envisioned and he did what he thought was right. No regrets from Nico.
Dirk2Doncic wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Castle Black wrote:Kinda goes without saying but yea. I fully expect him to drop 50 on the Mavs in 3 weeks.
I again went to the future and got footage of Luka leading the Lakers into a game against the Mavs....
Luka is dropping 82 on the Mavs in honor of Kobe and starting to lay claim to the greatest Laker....
when Luka is so fit that I can see his chiseled abs through his jersey when he throws down a two hand dunk on AD his conversion to the Dark Side will be complete
I'll be screaming for Luka to drop 82 on the Mavs. Perfect in every way, would even honor Kobe.
I was a Mavericks fan since the inception of the franchise. Was a fan since the beginning.
I am no longer a fan of the Dallas Mavericks. I am now solely a Luka fan. Therefore I will pull for any team Luka plays for.
Go Luka! Go Lakers!!!!!!
I would LOVE to see Luka end up in Denver with Jokic. They would destroy the basketball universe!
CobraCommander wrote:ConSarnit wrote:CobraCommander wrote:but if what Mav-relous is right and the Mavs started cutting Lukas friends BEFORE the new ownership, then you are indicating that Cuban was allowing people to get rid of Lukas friends and thus risking making Luka unhappy INTENTIONALLY.... WAYYYY before Nico or before the new ownership.
if this is true, you are indicating (not intentionally) that Luka has been a problem that the Mavs have been trying to rein in for a while.
Then if Cuban realizes that Luka is too much of a problem and that eventually he has to do something more serious about it before Luka gets to the super max ...............so he SELLS HIS SHARES of the team while Luka is under contract...which would be when the Mavs value would be at an all time high.
So cuban is selling as HIGH as possible...because the second they traded Luka the mavs probably lost 30% or more of their value.....anyone thinking this is hyperbole, Luka IS the mavs most valuable asset.
Imagine what would happen if Apple stopped selling iPhones? they still got other products but apple would loose 20-50% of market value instantly!
This is hyperbole because when Lebron left the Cavs (a far more devastating move financially) it was estimated they lost 25% of their value. I don't see how Luka being traded hurt the value of their franchise more so than Lebron leaving when the Mavs still have stars in Kyrie and Davis. When Lebron left the Cavs their remaining attraction was Mo Williams.
no way...when Lebron left the Cavs he crushed them...maybe 25%....LUKA IS A LEBRON LEVEL DRAW.... people might come to watch Kyrie but no one coming to watch AD AFTER they had LUKA and Kyrie and went to the finals. the fans done with the Mavs. AND RIGHTFULLY SO
Mavrelous wrote:Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:Mavrelous wrote:Either Cowherd is making things up, or Nico started leaking cover up stuff after the backlash he didn't imagine he will get.
This is on Nico Harrison, ownership is guilty for approving his mad experiment, but he planned this whole thing.
What do you think of my little theory that Nico is not very bright, and Rob Pelinka was asking him out on lunches for a long time now, to plant seeds in Nico's head against Luka.... and then finally, last month, Pelinka asks him "would you ever trade luka" to finally begin Pelinka's evil plan of taking advantage of his old nike friend?
The whole thing about "we have to keep it a secret from everyone"... who does this benefit? Pelinka or Nico? obviously pelinka.
Then Nico, after being brainwashed by Pelinka, goes to his Mavs owners and sells them on this trade.
Seems to me Nico was taken advantage of.
Pelinka just sold his own soul and "cashed in" on a friendship of 20+ years, to bask in the glory of the Luka trade.
Definitely taken advantage of, Nico overpays in most of his trades, it's been like this since he came to the Mavs.
ConSarnit wrote:CobraCommander wrote:ConSarnit wrote:
This is hyperbole because when Lebron left the Cavs (a far more devastating move financially) it was estimated they lost 25% of their value. I don't see how Luka being traded hurt the value of their franchise more so than Lebron leaving when the Mavs still have stars in Kyrie and Davis. When Lebron left the Cavs their remaining attraction was Mo Williams.
no way...when Lebron left the Cavs he crushed them...maybe 25%....LUKA IS A LEBRON LEVEL DRAW.... people might come to watch Kyrie but no one coming to watch AD AFTER they had LUKA and Kyrie and went to the finals. the fans done with the Mavs. AND RIGHTFULLY SO
Lebron was more popular than Luka when he left the Cavs. He was selling more merchandise. The Mavs will still sell far more merchandise with Kyrie and Davis than the post-Lebron Cavs could. Kyrie is still massively popular around the world. The Mavs also have some semblance of hope to earn playoff revenue unlike the Cavs post-Lebron.
There is almost no way the Mavs will be more damaged financially than the Cavs were when Lebron left.
Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:Mavrelous wrote:Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:
What do you think of my little theory that Nico is not very bright, and Rob Pelinka was asking him out on lunches for a long time now, to plant seeds in Nico's head against Luka.... and then finally, last month, Pelinka asks him "would you ever trade luka" to finally begin Pelinka's evil plan of taking advantage of his old nike friend?
The whole thing about "we have to keep it a secret from everyone"... who does this benefit? Pelinka or Nico? obviously pelinka.
Then Nico, after being brainwashed by Pelinka, goes to his Mavs owners and sells them on this trade.
Seems to me Nico was taken advantage of.
Pelinka just sold his own soul and "cashed in" on a friendship of 20+ years, to bask in the glory of the Luka trade.
Definitely taken advantage of, Nico overpays in most of his trades, it's been like this since he came to the Mavs.
Honestly this trade and situation and how it went down, this whole thing feels so disgusting and wrong.... I'm a HEAT fan with no dog in this fight... and I feel like the NBA should step in and ask the mavs owners WTF are you doing, and veto this crap
I hope all lakers games tank in the ratings, and when the NBA pushes them through for another Lakers vs Celtics Finals, I hope nboody watches
Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:Onus wrote:The more and more I read about it the more it seems like Nico dreamt it, came up with it and executed it and sold it to the owners. The owners green lighting a refund for season ticket holders isn't something you do if you were the one that came up with the trade demand. They're admitting someone **** up and trying to make it right. Nico probably has 2 years to win a title before he gets fired, but at least he can say he went out with a team that he envisioned and he did what he thought was right. No regrets from Nico.
Nope.
Nico, in the presser, said this all started last month, when he and Pelinka were having lunch, and Pelinka asked him "Would you ever trade Luka?".... Nico then started to wonder, "hmm, would I??"
This was Pelinka's dream, planted in Nico's head as a good idea, from his mentor and friend of 20+ years lol.
CobraCommander wrote:ConSarnit wrote:CobraCommander wrote:
no way...when Lebron left the Cavs he crushed them...maybe 25%....LUKA IS A LEBRON LEVEL DRAW.... people might come to watch Kyrie but no one coming to watch AD AFTER they had LUKA and Kyrie and went to the finals. the fans done with the Mavs. AND RIGHTFULLY SO
Lebron was more popular than Luka when he left the Cavs. He was selling more merchandise. The Mavs will still sell far more merchandise with Kyrie and Davis than the post-Lebron Cavs could. Kyrie is still massively popular around the world. The Mavs also have some semblance of hope to earn playoff revenue unlike the Cavs post-Lebron.
There is almost no way the Mavs will be more damaged financially than the Cavs were when Lebron left.
OHHhHHHH we talking degrees of damage. that's like comparing the death tolls of Hiroshima vs Nagasaki...I remember having that debate when I was a kid in Japan in an American school....the teacher was like...they both got nuked so it doesn't matter....
so the cavs got nuked and the mavs got nuked....both franchises got screwed... but I get your point
Lebron was legit the biggest star in Cleveland and Luka isn't the biggest star in Dallas...I would wager that Luka gets less press in Dallas than the cowboys and maybe even less than Jones and maybe less than Dak so yeah...
but my point is the mavs lost a ton of market value and a ton of fans with this trade...cavs prob lost 40% of their value and the mavs lost 30% but they both got nuked