2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3

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The issue I have with some of these guys is what is their offensive role in the NBA look like? Guys like Queen, Newell, CMB don't have any elite skills offensively so their defense needs to be elite to compensate. I don't see any of these guys having any creation upside; they can't shoot and none of them are great passers.

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How can you say Queen is not a great passer? He'd be a top5 big man passer in the NBA.

An AST/T ratio of less than 1 and 2.6 assists per 36 are solid but not elite for a big. Jokic, Sabonis, Draymond, Giannis, Sengun, Adebayo, KD, Wemby, Vuc, Poeltl, AD, KAT, Mobley are all better passing bigs just off the top of my head

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He's not being used as a hub there so his assist numbers dont jump out on the statsheet (similarly to how Sabonis averaged like 1 assist per game at Gonzaga), and the turnovers aren't necessarily from attempting passes. When you look at some passing flashes of his, he very clearly has the potential to become a top5 bigman passer in the NBA.

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Givony has him at #26. I guess others are catching up to me.


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Lol VJ, commenting on Chomche.

I put him 5th on my big board

His frame looks like he could get strong like a Mason Plumlee and he could take over for Poeltl seamlessly with his passing and footwork. Just a winning player. He may not be a 1 but maybe a 2B like Pascal on championship team.

I can see him being drafted in 20's but be like a taller PF/C version of Siakam that can shoot the 3 already. Pascal has really come around shooting around 40% from 3 the last season and half.

https://www.gainesville.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2025/02/14/florida-basketball-c-micah-handlogten-back-f-alex-condon-for-game-vs-south-carolina/78527008007/

Condon will be out 1-2 weeks. Too bad, we won't get to see Condon vs CMB.

Wow, next man up. Handlogten, so unselfish, rather than preserve 1 year of eligibility.

With the Florida basketball frontline banged up, junior center Micah Handlogten announced he's bypassing his plan to take a medical redshirt and will return for the rest of the 2024-25 season.

The 7-foot-1 Handlogten suffered a compound fracture of his lower leg last March 17 against Auburn in the SEC Tournament finals. He's recovered quicker than expected and nearly chose to return UF's game Jan. 25 against Georgia, but had second thoughts. Handlogten has been practicing at full speed and full contact with the Florida Gators for close to two months.

"It's the time that the team needs me, and I've been ready to play," Handlogten said. "I've had some, like, hesitation in the past, but I've moved on past that, and I'm ready to get out there and hoop for the Gators.”

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How can you say Queen is not a great passer? He'd be a top5 big man passer in the NBA.

An AST/T ratio of less than 1 and 2.6 assists per 36 are solid but not elite for a big. Jokic, Sabonis, Draymond, Giannis, Sengun, Adebayo, KD, Wemby, Vuc, Poeltl, AD, KAT, Mobley are all better passing bigs just off the top of my head

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He's not being used as a hub there so his assist numbers dont jump out on the statsheet (similarly to how Sabonis averaged like 1 assist per game at Gonzaga), and the turnovers aren't necessarily from attempting passes. When you look at some passing flashes of his, he very clearly has the potential to become a top5 bigman passer in the NBA.

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Is he a reckless passer like Wolf? I play PF against similar height players and make amazing passes, but maybe turn the ball over forcing some passes.

This also brings in to question are Jak and Harper really lead guards on the NBA level or are they just regular height SG's that can be a secondary ball-handler because of their A/T?

Lamelo is able to make crazy passes and his A/T around 2 but is that doesn't seem enough to get out of the basement in the league.

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An AST/T ratio of less than 1 and 2.6 assists per 36 are solid but not elite for a big. Jokic, Sabonis, Draymond, Giannis, Sengun, Adebayo, KD, Wemby, Vuc, Poeltl, AD, KAT, Mobley are all better passing bigs just off the top of my head

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He's not being used as a hub there so his assist numbers dont jump out on the statsheet (similarly to how Sabonis averaged like 1 assist per game at Gonzaga), and the turnovers aren't necessarily from attempting passes. When you look at some passing flashes of his, he very clearly has the potential to become a top5 bigman passer in the NBA.

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Is he a reckless passer like Wolf? I play PF against similar height players and make amazing passes, but maybe turn the ball over forcing some passes.

This also brings in to question are Jak and Harper really lead guards on the NBA level or are they just regular height SG's that can be a secondary ball-handler because of their A/T?

Lamelo is able to make crazy passes and his A/T around 2 but is that doesn't seem enough to get out of the basement in the league.

It's not about the flashiness. I can also make a forced behind the back pass in the local gym playing against bums... It's the vision, anticipation, and processing game at a high level. That's what I take from those Queen clips. I'm sorry but if you don't see that Queen is a talented passer, I don't know what to tell you.

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He's not being used as a hub there so his assist numbers dont jump out on the statsheet (similarly to how Sabonis averaged like 1 assist per game at Gonzaga), and the turnovers aren't necessarily from attempting passes. When you look at some passing flashes of his, he very clearly has the potential to become a top5 bigman passer in the NBA.

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Is he a reckless passer like Wolf? I play PF against similar height players and make amazing passes, but maybe turn the ball over forcing some passes.

This also brings in to question are Jak and Harper really lead guards on the NBA level or are they just regular height SG's that can be a secondary ball-handler because of their A/T?

Lamelo is able to make crazy passes and his A/T around 2 but is that doesn't seem enough to get out of the basement in the league.

It's not about the flashiness. I can also make a forced behind the back pass in the local gym playing against bums... It's the vision, anticipation, and processing game at a high level. That's what I take from those Queen clips. I'm sorry but if you don't see that Queen is a talented passer, I don't know what to tell you.

Queen clearly is a better passer / playmaker than Barnes. He is definitely a point forward (if not centre). He doesnt have the 3 point shooting to play at the top, which is one issue for him to get assist.

His problem is defense, and being a year older. I have him in the top 10

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Danny Wolf at #8 He's like Kelly Olynyk with quicker feet.

Drake Powell at #11 College level of play has exposed him and isn't really an NBA player at this moment. I guess he's Isaac Okoro right now at best.

Jase Richardson #13 He's a high riser maintaining his shooting %'s. A/T of 2. Could be this year's Jared McCain (#16), that should be late lottery. This might be a Tyrese Maxey vs Quickley scenario between Fears and Jase.

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I just don't think Queen has the post scoring and passing ability to overcome his potential defensive liabilities to be worthy of a top 12 pick.

Post scoring is generally an inefficient shot except for the outlier elite ones in the NBA or if it is a mismatch and then they have to be very good.

I see Queen as a good enough one to score against mismatches in the post at a high level, but don't know if he's good enough to do more than that at an efficient level.

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He's not being used as a hub there so his assist numbers dont jump out on the statsheet (similarly to how Sabonis averaged like 1 assist per game at Gonzaga), and the turnovers aren't necessarily from attempting passes. When you look at some passing flashes of his, he very clearly has the potential to become a top5 bigman passer in the NBA.

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Is he a reckless passer like Wolf? I play PF against similar height players and make amazing passes, but maybe turn the ball over forcing some passes.

This also brings in to question are Jak and Harper really lead guards on the NBA level or are they just regular height SG's that can be a secondary ball-handler because of their A/T?

Lamelo is able to make crazy passes and his A/T around 2 but is that doesn't seem enough to get out of the basement in the league.

It's not about the flashiness. I can also make a forced behind the back pass in the local gym playing against bums... It's the vision, anticipation, and processing game at a high level. That's what I take from those Queen clips. I'm sorry but if you don't see that Queen is a talented passer, I don't know what to tell you.

I would say that Condon has better vision and is a better passer than Queen. He makes quick touch passes and has an A/T over 2. So then Condon is a better passer / playmaker than Scottie.

As a rookie Scottie already had an A/T of 2. At FSU he was 1.66. At least it was over 1.5 and he was making crazy bounce passes on the break. I would say that Scottie and Condon are comparable with Queen clearly below them. I would say that Queen and Wolf would be comparable as creators but with such high turnover numbers should really just be facilitators and tertiary creators.

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I just don't think Queen has the post scoring and passing ability to overcome his potential defensive liabilities to be worthy of a top 12 pick.

Post scoring is generally an inefficient shot except for the outlier elite ones in the NBA or if it is a mismatch and then they have to be very good.

I see Queen as a good enough one to score against mismatches in the post at a high level, but don't know if he's good enough to do more than that at an efficient level.

That's also how I see Queen. He could be a 6th man of the year candidate feasting on benches as a PF/C. Maybe his ceiling is Al Jefferson with better handles? I guess Sengun would be his ceiling.

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Is he a reckless passer like Wolf? I play PF against similar height players and make amazing passes, but maybe turn the ball over forcing some passes.

This also brings in to question are Jak and Harper really lead guards on the NBA level or are they just regular height SG's that can be a secondary ball-handler because of their A/T?

Lamelo is able to make crazy passes and his A/T around 2 but is that doesn't seem enough to get out of the basement in the league.

It's not about the flashiness. I can also make a forced behind the back pass in the local gym playing against bums... It's the vision, anticipation, and processing game at a high level. That's what I take from those Queen clips. I'm sorry but if you don't see that Queen is a talented passer, I don't know what to tell you.

I would say that Condon has better vision and is a better passer than Queen. He makes quick touch passes and has an A/T over 2. So then Condon is a better passer / playmaker than Scottie.

As a rookie Scottie already had an A/T of 2. At FSU he was 1.66. At least it was over 1.5 and he was making crazy bounce passes on the break. I would say that Scottie and Condon are comparable with Queen clearly below them. I would say that Queen and Wolf would be comparable as creators but with such high turnover numbers should really just be facilitators and tertiary creators.

What if the pass is made and someone cannot fnish? Transition will definitely gets more assists, because they can finish, but what about half court. You considered that? There is no "opportunity" stats we can get, otherwise, that should be a better indicator than assist / turnover

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I just don't think Queen has the post scoring and passing ability to overcome his potential defensive liabilities to be worthy of a top 12 pick.

Post scoring is generally an inefficient shot except for the outlier elite ones in the NBA or if it is a mismatch and then they have to be very good.

I see Queen as a good enough one to score against mismatches in the post at a high level, but don't know if he's good enough to do more than that at an efficient level.

That's also how I see Queen. He could be a 6th man of the year candidate feasting on benches as a PF/C. Maybe his ceiling is Al Jefferson with better handles? I guess Sengun would be his ceiling.

His footwork is more than a postup threat, and there is a reason they beat Rutgers and limited them on defense, so I am unsure he will be a bench player

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What if the pass is made and someone cannot fnish? Transition will definitely gets more assists, because they can finish, but what about half court. You considered that? There is no "opportunity" stats we can get, otherwise, that should be a better indicator than assist / turnover

I would say that Scottie and Queen's supporting cast were comparable. Condon does have better guards, that likely hit shots more. just watching video Condon makes great pocket, backdoor and other passes in the halfcourt. I believe his rugby background helps passing under duress. His fitness level should give him an advantage over Queen, and Wolf.

Just like the tournament should be a toss up, these prospects seem to be all very close in terms of who will succeed.

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I was more reacting to the comment about him being a lottery pick.

what's wrong with saying that if he ends up one of the top 14 players in the class?

If you called Larry Nance Jr a lottery talent, you might be technically right that he was arguably the 14th best player in his class, but that's not how the term is accepted.

this is akin to saying that "lottery talent" should only apply to players with perceived higher "reward" value when that perception is largely based on total bull

if there's a player with a high probability of being a ++ bench contributor in the NBA in an average draft class that is absolutely worth taking with a late lotto pick therefore making them a lottery talent.

colton only grades based on projected VORP returns i believe. nba teams should do the same.

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I just don't think Queen has the post scoring and passing ability to overcome his potential defensive liabilities to be worthy of a top 12 pick.

Post scoring is generally an inefficient shot except for the outlier elite ones in the NBA or if it is a mismatch and then they have to be very good.

I see Queen as a good enough one to score against mismatches in the post at a high level, but don't know if he's good enough to do more than that at an efficient level.

That's also how I see Queen. He could be a 6th man of the year candidate feasting on benches as a PF/C. Maybe his ceiling is Al Jefferson with better handles? I guess Sengun would be his ceiling.

His footwork is more than a postup threat, and there is a reason they beat Rutgers and limited them on defense, so I am unsure he will be a bench player

I guess I'm taking about a good team. He can start for Washington, Charlotte, Utah. Would he start in Detroit, Chicago over Buzelis?

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That's also how I see Queen. He could be a 6th man of the year candidate feasting on benches as a PF/C. Maybe his ceiling is Al Jefferson with better handles? I guess Sengun would be his ceiling.

His footwork is more than a postup threat, and there is a reason they beat Rutgers and limited them on defense, so I am unsure he will be a bench player

I guess I'm taking about a good team. He can start for Washington, Charlotte, Utah. Would he start in Detroit, Chicago over Buzelis?

This is why it is hard to predict. Can he improve on his 3? Can he slim down to play PF, as he shows he has the explosiveness if not because of his weight? Can he further improve?

I see him better than Barnes and can slim down to defend PF, which is a stater level, but unsure he will be a star, since these days you need a handle

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anyone else here like walter clayton jr

Ya, he's one of the reasons why Florida has moved up to #3 in the nation from the late 20's.

He's a combo-guard and 4 year senior so stigma and fit is there. Maybe like Jared Butler level prospect.

Probably not able to crack our dept chart with Jakobe and other guards on the team.

Drafting that late if getting a guard, Braden Smith has potential to overtake Shead as a prospect so might be worth a late 1st if they can trade for one.

Let's keep tabs on Thomas Haugh who should be a starter next year. His FT shooting suggests that he should be able to develop the 3pt shot to be at least average.

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anyone else here like walter clayton jr

I feel like he is the best two way PG in the country. I have tried to hype him up before but good size, great athlete and smart player. He is going to be a NBA player much like Andrew Nembhard.