2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 3

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anyone else here like walter clayton jr

I feel like he is the best two way PG in the country. I have tried to hype him up before but good size, great athlete and smart player. He is going to be a NBA player much like Andrew Nembhard.

Braden Smith would be the best 2-way PG in the country.

What are people's all 2-way team?

PG Braden Smith
SG VJ Edgecombe
SF Cooper Flagg
PF Rasheer Fleming
C Alex Condon

All can hit the 3 at least around average and all get deflections like crazy.

Build a team that could take them down?

PG Dylan Harper
SG Jase Richardson
SG Ace Bailey
PF Derik Queen
C Khaman Maluach

[earth007]

If we don't luck out and get Flagg, we are going to draft VJ or Maluach. Book it.

[Indeed]

So here is the comparison between Queen, Condon and Wolf.
Too much information, so I put the link, and you can see usage, rebounding, free throw rate, and their percentage.
I do think Queen has the better athleticism and length base on stocks, but may not have the vertical to block. Shooting wise, Queen seems to have better projection (not sure if his shooting form) base on his 75% free throw %, but his 3 is really bad at the moment.

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DUNKS               At the rim                  Other 2-PT                  3-Pt Jumpers   
Tot    Pct.          Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed       Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed       Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed
31-33   93.9%      112-157   71.3%   43.8%      31-87   35.6%   25.8%      2-22   9.1%   100.0%


https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2025&p=Derik%20Queen&t=Maryland

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DUNKS               At the rim                  Other 2-PT                  3-Pt Jumpers   
Tot    Pct.          Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed       Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed       Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed
20-23   87.0%      69-105   65.7%   65.2%      13-43   30.2%   46.2%      11-33   33.3%   100.0%


https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2025&p=Alex%20Condon&t=Florida

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DUNKS               At the rim                  Other 2-PT                  3-Pt Jumpers   
Tot    Pct.          Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed       Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed       Tot    Pct.    Ast'ed
4-5   80.0%      76-118   64.4%   31.6%      11-32   34.4%   0.0%      26-70   37.1%   69.2%


https://barttorvik.com/playerstat.php?year=2025&p=Danny%20Wolf&t=Michigan

[Jstock12]

or Maluach. Book it.

6'9+ AND an African name?

[Rapsalot]

After the trade deadline we know more and evening of May 12 we will know more. I know VJ has been moving up but If we land top 5 I would try for PG or even forward BPA.

This team needs a big PG or C depth I would focus draft and offseason moves there.

[Dalek]

anyone else here like walter clayton jr

I feel like he is the best two way PG in the country. I have tried to hype him up before but good size, great athlete and smart player. He is going to be a NBA player much like Andrew Nembhard.

Braden Smith would be the best 2-way PG in the country.

Smith is really good but I give WCJ a better two way rating because he is tough and a better athlete. The day Smith can do this, let me know.

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[ATLTimekeeper]

what's wrong with saying that if he ends up one of the top 14 players in the class?

If you called Larry Nance Jr a lottery talent, you might be technically right that he was arguably the 14th best player in his class, but that's not how the term is accepted.

this is akin to saying that "lottery talent" should only apply to players with perceived higher "reward" value when that perception is largely based on total bull

if there's a player with a high probability of being a ++ bench contributor in the NBA in an average draft class that is absolutely worth taking with a late lotto pick therefore making them a lottery talent.

colton only grades based on projected VORP returns i believe. nba teams should do the same.

I think NBA teams are doing just fine thinking Klay Thompson was a better pick than Kemba Walker. Seems like a really limited way of ranking players.

We do use 'lotto talent' to connote something specific. 'Good role player' would have been more accurate.

[earth007]

or Maluach. Book it.

6'9+ AND an African name?

All jokes aside, I think he has a lot of untapped potential. Dude only started playing bball at 16 or something. He could have Siakam type trajectory and he is only 18 unlike Siakam. Also, I think Duke coach doesn't really use him to his full potential. The draft workouts might really up his stock. I'm not sure if we will draft him, but if a team that's good at developing young guys gets him, he can end up being a special player one day.

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[GoRapstheoriginal]

/s March Madness here yet?

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

If you called Larry Nance Jr a lottery talent, you might be technically right that he was arguably the 14th best player in his class, but that's not how the term is accepted.

this is akin to saying that "lottery talent" should only apply to players with perceived higher "reward" value when that perception is largely based on total bull

if there's a player with a high probability of being a ++ bench contributor in the NBA in an average draft class that is absolutely worth taking with a late lotto pick therefore making them a lottery talent.

colton only grades based on projected VORP returns i believe. nba teams should do the same.

I think NBA teams are doing just fine thinking Klay Thompson was a better pick than Kemba Walker. Seems like a really limited way of ranking players.

We do use 'lotto talent' to connote something specific. 'Good role player' would have been more accurate.

"Overrated young trashcan with good physical profile who can't ball" would be more accurate for most of the players deemed "lottery talents".

It's up to organizations to determine which young players are legit and which aren't and not just lump them all into lotto territory when they all have holes in their games to some extent that need to be sorted out. Once they determine who is illegitimate older players or players with perceived unideal physical profiles can easily rise into lotto territory and should justifiably be deemed lotto talents.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

anyone else here like walter clayton jr

I feel like he is the best two way PG in the country. I have tried to hype him up before but good size, great athlete and smart player. He is going to be a NBA player much like Andrew Nembhard.

Braden Smith would be the best 2-way PG in the country.

What are people's all 2-way team?

PG Braden Smith
SG VJ Edgecombe
SF Cooper Flagg
PF Rasheer Fleming
C Alex Condon

All can hit the 3 at least around average and all get deflections like crazy.

Build a team that could take them down?

PG Dylan Harper
SG Jase Richardson
SG Ace Bailey
PF Derik Queen
C Khaman Maluach

Braden's D is better than Clayton's but I'm worried about Braden's range on his 3 ball and ability to generate 3pt volume which Clayton is an absolutely elite 3PAR+FT% guy.

[Indeed]

or Maluach. Book it.

6'9+ AND an African name?

All jokes aside, I think he has a lot of untapped potential. Dude only started playing bball at 16 or something. He could have Siakam type trajectory and he is only 18 unlike Siakam. Also, I think Duke coach doesn't really use him to his full potential. The draft workouts might really up his stock. I'm not sure if we will draft him, but if a team that's good at developing young guys gets him, he can end up being a special player one day.

Watch on YouTube

The problem is his passing. Unlike Siakam who was a willing passer, Maluach doesnt show enough on that, and we clearly mentioned by Webster that we are looking for a big who can pass and facilitate, so I am pretty sure he is not a fit, particularly, we dont have a dynamic PG to set him up for his potential. He is more Hawks type of pick.

[Ell Curry]

I don't really know if he can shoot, put on weight or if he's even declaring this year, but I really like Philon on Alabama.

Fast but can change speeds (which is a rare combo, even for PGs), good size, makes lots of good playmaking decisions for a freshman. Maybe I've only caught him on good games the 4-5 times I've seen them, but I think he might be a slightly slower De'Aaron Fox?

I know that speed is sorta Fox's whole thing, but Philon looks like maybe he'd be like a top 5-7 fastest starting PG and not somewhere in the top 2-3 like Fox, and I'm guessing his wingspan is gonna measure out at something like 3 inches better than Fox's. The stats are very, very similar except Fox was a 27 USG guy and Philon is a 22 USG guy so he basically never has to bail out his team and Fox and Monk had to do a ton of that because Calipari doesn't really coach offense and Oats does. So maybe that's keeping Philon's efficiency afloat? The other guards on the team also have solid numbers.

[S.W.A.N]

6'9+ AND an African name?

All jokes aside, I think he has a lot of untapped potential. Dude only started playing bball at 16 or something. He could have Siakam type trajectory and he is only 18 unlike Siakam. Also, I think Duke coach doesn't really use him to his full potential. The draft workouts might really up his stock. I'm not sure if we will draft him, but if a team that's good at developing young guys gets him, he can end up being a special player one day.

Watch on YouTube

The problem is his passing. Unlike Siakam who was a willing passer, Maluach doesnt show enough on that, and we clearly mentioned by Webster that we are looking for a big who can pass and facilitate, so I am pretty sure he is not a fit, particularly, we dont have a dynamic PG to set him up for his potential. He is more Hawks type of pick.

While he doesn't show that passing yet, he looks like a very good screen setter.

Now that Ingram/Barnes are the core of our offense, having a big that passes probably has less value than it did before the trade.

I would think that his defensive upside would be the biggest selling point.

Of the bigs that we'd take in the top 10 I think there is a case for 4 guys.

Kaman: Best defensive upside, ability to play both drop and some switching. Potential to stretch the floor is there but not something you can bank on as he's only done it in International play.
Queen: Best scoring big in the draft? Strong, great footwork and hands. Not a great rim deterent but gets steals so his stocks are not bad at all. Could be a guy you run the offense through.
Wolf: Best passing big in the draft, and has shown nba range. Is a more athletic Kelly O?
Asa Newell: Solid, talented player but is he a 4 or a 5. Doesn't rebound as well as the others, but projects to be the most likely to be a stretch big.

I think Kaman is the only one I'd draft with a 5th or 6th pick as there other guys who I think are a tier above them talent wise, but at say the 8th pick all bets are off and there is a far wider talent pool to look at.

Queen is my dark horse big as he is probably the guy that if he measures well becomes super interesting. if he's say 6'10 barefoot with a 7-3+ reach then he becomes my favorite guy. But if he is 6'9 with a 7 reach he is far less interesting...

[Indeed]

All jokes aside, I think he has a lot of untapped potential. Dude only started playing bball at 16 or something. He could have Siakam type trajectory and he is only 18 unlike Siakam. Also, I think Duke coach doesn't really use him to his full potential. The draft workouts might really up his stock. I'm not sure if we will draft him, but if a team that's good at developing young guys gets him, he can end up being a special player one day.

Watch on YouTube

The problem is his passing. Unlike Siakam who was a willing passer, Maluach doesnt show enough on that, and we clearly mentioned by Webster that we are looking for a big who can pass and facilitate, so I am pretty sure he is not a fit, particularly, we dont have a dynamic PG to set him up for his potential. He is more Hawks type of pick.

While he doesn't show that passing yet, he looks like a very good screen setter.

Now that Ingram/Barnes are the core of our offense, having a big that passes probably has less value than it did before the trade.

I would think that his defensive upside would be the biggest selling point.

Of the bigs that we'd take in the top 10 I think there is a case for 4 guys.

Kaman: Best defensive upside, ability to play both drop and some switching. Potential to stretch the floor is there but not something you can bank on as he's only done it in International play.
Queen: Best scoring big in the draft? Strong, great footwork and hands. Not a great rim deterent but gets steals so his stocks are not bad at all. Could be a guy you run the offense through.
Wolf: Best passing big in the draft, and has shown nba range. Is a more athletic Kelly O?
Asa Newell: Solid, talented player but is he a 4 or a 5. Doesn't rebound as well as the others, but projects to be the most likely to be a stretch big.

I think Kaman is the only one I'd draft with a 5th or 6th pick as there other guys who I think are a tier above them talent wise, but at say the 8th pick all bets are off and there is a far wider talent pool to look at.

Queen is my dark horse big as he is probably the guy that if he measures well becomes super interesting. if he's say 6'10 barefoot with a 7-3+ reach then he becomes my favorite guy. But if he is 6'9 with a 7 reach he is far less interesting...

It is pre-mature to claim he has the best defensive upside. I would like to wait for Sorber measurement where he might have the same wingspan and more stocks to be another mobile switchable defender with shot blocking. Sorber will have better basketball IQ.

Passing is the hardest to learn for a big, and many big can be a very good screen setter, so I don't see the selling point. How is Chomcho not better than Maluach? Chomcho also a good screen setter.

I still don't see why Maluach is ranked so high, what skill set he has other than being a lob threat and screen setter? I give him some good footwork, but really raw, not even good at blocking shots. 2 blocks PER 36 vs Sorber 2.4 blocks PER 36 with steals.

[LoveMyRaps]

Anyone watching Tre Johnson right now?

[Rapsfan07]

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Danny Wolf at #8 He's like Kelly Olynyk with quicker feet.

Drake Powell at #11 College level of play has exposed him and isn't really an NBA player at this moment. I guess he's Isaac Okoro right now at best.

Jase Richardson #13 He's a high riser maintaining his shooting %'s. A/T of 2. Could be this year's Jared McCain (#16), that should be late lottery. This might be a Tyrese Maxey vs Quickley scenario between Fears and Jase.

Yep. I'm personally not super high on Fears. I think Jase could be the better NBA prospect

[LoveMyRaps]

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Ya his stock definitely rose tonight.

An amazing all-around game for Tre.

[Indeed]

Boucher replacement?

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[Psubs]

I feel like he is the best two way PG in the country. I have tried to hype him up before but good size, great athlete and smart player. He is going to be a NBA player much like Andrew Nembhard.

Braden Smith would be the best 2-way PG in the country.

What are people's all 2-way team?

PG Braden Smith
SG VJ Edgecombe
SF Cooper Flagg
PF Rasheer Fleming
C Alex Condon

All can hit the 3 at least around average and all get deflections like crazy.

Build a team that could take them down?

PG Dylan Harper
SG Jase Richardson
SG Ace Bailey
PF Derik Queen
C Khaman Maluach

Braden's D is better than Clayton's but I'm worried about Braden's range on his 3 ball and ability to generate 3pt volume which Clayton is an absolutely elite 3PAR+FT% guy.

Braden is shooting 1 legged side stepping 3's like Curry already.