2024-2025 Regular Season Game 62: Toronto Raptors (18-42) at Orlando Magic (29-32) - 6pm

[ogmagicfan]

Everyone is getting mad at Mosley because of the offense, but my goodness, these guys aren't hitting OPEN shots. These players have to take responsibility and accountability for that.

No.

People are getting on Mosley (at least I am) because the things the Magic did really well under him in the past (defense, rebounding, effort, physicality) are all SIGNIFICANTLY worse than they were last season and even as recently as like December of this season.

The offense has always been bad, that’s frustrating, but that’s not a new development.

What is a new development is the team unable to get stops. What is a new development is the team getting flat outworked in basically every game.

I’ll say it again… if Mosley can’t get these guys to do those effort/energy/togetherness related things he used to be able to get them to do, then he doesn’t need to be here.

I’m not sure it’s possible to keep getting guys to do the energy/effort thing for multiple seasons when the shooting is this bad. Eventually players reach a breaking point when there’s no payoff because the shooting is so freaking bad. We’ve all seen the stats. How long are these guys going to kill themselves on defense when they keep clanking it on the other end? Mosley hasn’t changed his coaching, these guys have just worn down. You can see it in their faces. They know what everyone is saying about them. It’s literally one of the worst shooting teams ever. Not to mention the 2 high-energy guys, Moe and Jalen, are out, and that stuff is infectious.

This.

The frustrations and the waning "buy in" by the players into Mosely philosophy has everything to do with the FO lack of making moves

Our players have been working their ass off the past 2 yrs, overperforming like crazy. The FO would rather sit on their hands instead of getting the necessary upgrades the team needs. The needs are so damn obvious on top of that and we've had huge cap space and hella assets for trades. We've done nothing though

Players cant voice their frustrations regularly to the FO, so the coaches get the backlash of it. It's like policies from the C-Suite at work making you work your ass off and they keep telling you they hit record profits but dont have the money to give you a raise and/or software/personnel to make your job easier. Your frustrations are going to be your checking out of that work ethic you were maintaining and your Manager is going to be on the receiving end of that.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

There’s a clip going around of Mosely having words with Paolo on the bench tonight and it appears Paolo says, I’m good, I’m willing to do whatever, or something like that. Looked painful.

Doesn’t look good

Read on Twitter

It doesn't look like anything. Paolo's response, whatever it is, seem so calm.

[KillMonger]

There’s a clip going around of Mosely having words with Paolo on the bench tonight and it appears Paolo says, I’m good, I’m willing to do whatever, or something like that. Looked painful.

See that's what I saw on my timeline as well.... Depending on when that went down it would explain why he was looking more to pass than score

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[RichCollab]

Order of issues

GM/Ownership
Injuries
Coach

Players are rocked a bit and are thinking way to much instead of playing.

Coach is still the easiest to address and can be a change that happens tonight.

Ownership finding a GM upgrade is what is needed most.

[FFBlitzace]

I honestly feel like there's too much panic going on here. I get it, this is excruciating right now. We're supposed to be better than this. We're not even defending well every night, let alone the atrocious shooting. I understand, it's absolutely maddening.

But I truly feel like things just weren't in the cards for us this season. I mean, we tried really hard and hung in there for a while through a lot of adversity. But eventually the morale just ran out and frustration took over, and we don't have the offensive talent to "brute force it" by simply shooting ourselves out of the hole. As pepe pointed out, "law of averages" would help us, but not drastically, since we're not a team of shooters.

Don't confuse my stance with me just being an apologist and making excuses for poor play, and wanting to run things back again. No, we absolutely need to bring in offensive talent and put our two young stars in a position to succeed. They still need to improve in their own right, but the team has to be better around them. It's a circular thing. The surrounding pieces help them, and they help the surrounding pieces. Right now the gears in that machine aren't even connecting, let alone turning.

We're not as bad off as it feels right now.

[89Magicfan]

I honestly feel like there's too much panic going on here. I get it, this is excruciating right now. We're supposed to be better than this. We're not even defending well every night, let alone the atrocious shooting. I understand, it's absolutely maddening.

But I truly feel like things just weren't in the cards for us this season. I mean, we tried really hard and hung in there for a while through a lot of adversity. But eventually the morale just ran out and frustration took over, and we don't have the offensive talent to "brute force it" by simply shooting ourselves out of the hole. As pepe pointed out, "law of averages" would help us, but not drastically, since we're not a team of shooters.

Don't confuse my stance with me just being an apologist and making excuses for poor play, and wanting to run things back again. No, we absolutely need to bring in offensive talent and put our two young stars in a position to succeed. They still need to improve in their own right, but the team has to be better around them. It's a circular thing. The surrounding pieces help them, and they help the surrounding pieces. Right now the gears in that machine aren't even connecting, let alone turning.

We're not as bad off as it feels right now.

It’s bad because of the FO’s passive nature. Everything you said is correct but FO’s job is not to sit on their hands as much as they have. It’s creating this environment.

[SloNick Russia]

Our guards rotation FAILS us every time, can't dribble, pass, shoot, could not even defend Quickley today. And we allowed Fultz to walk to replace him with Harris / CoJo. No we have nobody to handle the ball in the 4th. Cole and AB with a brutal F today. Jett is hopeless.

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[RichCollab]

Kid is reeling and his mama bear is pissed. This is a mama bear that holds grudges.

Paolo listens to and respects his Mom’s perspective. He gives her a ton of credit. It’s not a typical relationship

Inaction has help lead to this situation. I’m not going to panic when we have Paolo and Franz but when they start thinking about a new team it’s hard to slow that momentum down.

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It’s a two way street.

Paolo and Franz cannot be your 1A and 1B, as max level players, if they are playing 35+ minutes and getting blown out or losing at home to bad teams in spectacular fashion.

None of that has to do with the supporting cast. There isn’t really a cope argument to be had with that fact. Good teams, being led by two potential all-stars, don’t lose like that even with questionable supporting casts.

That being said, yeah, the supporting cast IS trash. Especially without Suggs. That’s a Front Office issue and it was an issue 3 years ago. Weltman didn’t make moves because he thought it would disturb “organic” well now things are at a breaking point and not teams know he’s able to squeeze for assets to remedy this situation. People for 3+ seasons fought with me here talking about how shite Weltman was incompetent and sitting on his hands waiting.

SO what does that mean for Mosely?

Mosely has to work harder at finding ways of getting players into better situations to win. He doesn’t do that. There are coaches that do more with less. Mosely can only go off “vibes” and “family” and “spirit” for so long. At some point you have to build a system. He never did, and you can only blame an incompetent FO so much. IF he had a voice at ALL he should have used it once in 3 seasons.

Weltman can go.
Mosely can go.
The coaching staff can go.
The training staff can go.
Get rid of anyone that isn’t Franz or Suggs.
I don’t really care if they move Paolo either, but they won’t. I’m not sold on his skillset, or especially his mindset, when faced with adversity this season. He’s inefficient and makes nobody better.

Elite players don’t need extremely niche or specific players next to them on the court in order to be great. They figure it out.

[KillMonger]

Nobody has it all figured out at 22 relax

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[89Magicfan]

It’s a two way street.

Paolo and Franz cannot be your 1A and 1B, as max level players, if they are playing 35+ minutes and getting blown out or losing at home to bad teams in spectacular fashion.

None of that has to do with the supporting cast. There isn’t really a cope argument to be had with that fact. Good teams, being led by two potential all-stars, don’t lose like that even with questionable supporting casts.

That being said, yeah, the supporting cast IS trash. Especially without Suggs. That’s a Front Office issue and it was an issue 3 years ago. Weltman didn’t make moves because he thought it would disturb “organic” well now things are at a breaking point and not teams know he’s able to squeeze for assets to remedy this situation. People here for 3+ seasons fought with me here talking about how shite Weltman was incompetent and sitting on his hands waiting.

SO what does that mean for Mosely?

Mosely has to work harder at finding ways of getting players into better situations to win. He doesn’t do that. There are coaches that do more with less. Mosely can only go off “vibes” and “family” and “spirit” for so long. At some point you have to build a system. He never did, and you can only blame an incompetent FO so much. IF he had a voice at ALL he should have used it once in 3 seasons.

Weltman can go.
Mosely can go.
The coaching staff can go.
The training staff can go.
Get rid of anyone that isn’t Franz or Suggs.
I don’t really care if they move Paolo either, but they won’t. I’m not sold on his skillset, or especially his mindset, when faced with adversity this season. He’s inefficient and makes nobody better.

Elite players don’t need extremely niche or specific players next to them on the court in order to be great. They figure it out.

Up to this point he has found a way but you can’t expect a player to continue to be held accountable for a FO who doesn’t care enough about winning themselves.

[zaymon]

Winners come stronger from hard times, losers crumble.
I am not the biggest fan of Mosley but he is only part of the problem.
Biggest problem is Banchero and no real PG. Banchero is not a #1 option and will propably never be. If we pay him max we are screwed becouse we wont have money for real PG and Franz is much more important player.
Paying Suggs so much was a risk, we all knew that but he is very important to our team.
I will write it every time. We must trade Paolo this summer.

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Nobody has it all figured out at 22 relax

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All time greats don’t drop off the face of the planet offensively because they are young and don’t have a point guard. He was heralded as a #1 scoring option as a #1 pick.

Is he not that guy? Are we making excuses for him now? Is this not his team to lead?

Questions to ask about players before handing them huge franchise altering money while fans make excuses for them as to why they aren’t on the same level as guys that earn that same paycheck.

[VFX]

Spoiler:

It’s a two way street.

Paolo and Franz cannot be your 1A and 1B, as max level players, if they are playing 35+ minutes and getting blown out or losing at home to bad teams in spectacular fashion.

None of that has to do with the supporting cast. There isn’t really a cope argument to be had with that fact. Good teams, being led by two potential all-stars, don’t lose like that even with questionable supporting casts.

That being said, yeah, the supporting cast IS trash. Especially without Suggs. That’s a Front Office issue and it was an issue 3 years ago. Weltman didn’t make moves because he thought it would disturb “organic” well now things are at a breaking point and not teams know he’s able to squeeze for assets to remedy this situation. People here for 3+ seasons fought with me here talking about how shite Weltman was incompetent and sitting on his hands waiting.

SO what does that mean for Mosely?

Mosely has to work harder at finding ways of getting players into better situations to win. He doesn’t do that. There are coaches that do more with less. Mosely can only go off “vibes” and “family” and “spirit” for so long. At some point you have to build a system. He never did, and you can only blame an incompetent FO so much. IF he had a voice at ALL he should have used it once in 3 seasons.

Weltman can go.
Mosely can go.
The coaching staff can go.
The training staff can go.
Get rid of anyone that isn’t Franz or Suggs.
I don’t really care if they move Paolo either, but they won’t. I’m not sold on his skillset, or especially his mindset, when faced with adversity this season. He’s inefficient and makes nobody better.

Elite players don’t need extremely niche or specific players next to them on the court in order to be great. They figure it out.

Up to this point he has found a way but you can’t expect a player to continue to be held accountable for a FO who doesn’t care enough about winning themselves.

Cuts both ways unfortunately.

Yes, the FO is shite and largely the reason this season has fallen apart for mismanagement.

Paolo is the guy leading this team and he absolutely hasn’t stepped up at all in the last month or two. Doesn’t matter what the roster looks like. That’s not his job.

[bigshawn]

Tweets have been deleted. What did they say?

[KillMonger]

Nobody has it all figured out at 22 relax

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All time greats don’t drop off the face of the planet offensively because they are young and don’t have a point guard. He was heralded as a #1 scoring option as a #1 pick.

Is he not that guy? Are we making excuses for him now? Is this not his team to lead?

Questions to ask about players before handing them huge franchise altering money while fans make excuses for them as to why they aren’t on the same level as guys that earn that same paycheck.

Not many are all time greats at 22, I will treat him like a finished product when he is... I'll hold him accountable when it is needed all I know is when we really needed him to perform when it really matters in the playoffs he stepped up but all of a sudden in the regular season we can't give him any grace... People need to not forget that your best players are 22 and 23... That is not normal because most times those guys aren't ready for that responsibility

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[SloNick Russia]

And for Paolo's mom, Magic with her son is 10 - 17 on a season. 19 - 19 with him out. Maybe lets at least get to 19 wins with Paolo assistance first before putting a blame on a coach.

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[KillMonger]

Watching that last Franz possession back... He had enough time to dunk, don't know why I thought there was less time

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[SloNick Russia]

The issue with impotent perimeter is real, with no threat there teams can load up on Paolo inside making him a ballhandler at the key going against their much quicker guards there, unfortunately there is no way to solve it this season. Maybe we should play Franz at PG again with TDS at SF.

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[pepe1991]

I don't even know how game ended up being close. Raptors were up by 18 with 4 min to play, up by 15 with 3 min to play, they could just milk out shot every possession and still win, yet we had chance to send game to OT.

But as usual, it's hard to win games when you have no competent ball handling guard. Black plus minus - 21, Cole fried ( combine for 4-17 FG) on 3 assists, and in same time they get grilled by Qucikley and Jamal Sheed (Who? ).

As for whole hot talking points. I said few days ago. Sometimes you can't just try harder and that is pretty much only philosophy that Mosley has to offer.
When we hired him, i wasn't really thrilled, aside from being "defensive expert" on Dallas, he never coached anybody. And boy, Mavs defense was never that good to being with.

Sometimes "try harder" is wrong approach, sometimes you need to try smarter.

Lot of us spent lot of time even last year but especially this year talking how playing "too hard" in regular season will just mentally fry them and physically drain them. You can't play lockdown defense for 82 games and have another gear to kick in playoffs. You can't go ball deep every game, for 48 min.
Our offense and our shooting issues start with our defense, grinding and trying to outwork, outrun, outmuscle everybody leads to tired legs and lack of focus. To add insult to injury, you have roster made out of people who aren't good shooters to being with.

Feels like watching Thib Bulls. Star players ball to play offense 1 on 5. Others are there to play hard. Zero structure and players who age 3 years in 1 season due mileage and play style.