Franchise Pairs by Common Theme - Discussion

[ReggiesKnicks]

Flaco will be hard to beat.

Yeah his team looks great on paper and these are paper games

Devil's Advocate, it's also Eddie Jones where injuries were catching up, Phoenix CP3, Horford without a 3P shot but even better defensively (though judging by Flaco's posts he may argue Atlanta Horford is a 3P shooter).

His team looks strong. I don't think your team is any worse on paper though.

[JimmyPlopper]

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[Snakebites]

Flaco will be hard to beat.

Yeah his team looks great on paper and these are paper games

Devil's Advocate, it's also Eddie Jones where injuries were catching up, Phoenix CP3, Horford without a 3P shot but even better defensively (though judging by Flaco's posts he may argue Atlanta Horford is a 3P shooter).

His team looks strong. I don't think your team is any worse on paper though.

I'm definitely happy I managed to land Conley/Edwards- it's a better duo than I expected in round 2 in this pool. It does vindicate my frontcourt heavy approach to round 1, too.

[migya]

Glad Majerle was still aorund. He's a good two way player that fits with stars. PJ Brown is somewhat underrated also.

[MadNESS]

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[MadNESS]

So many different stretch 4’s out there still, went with the best true fit.

I wanted to play around with my bench later in the game, this is easily the most FGA’s I’ve ever had for my 6th and 7th men.

[ReggiesKnicks]

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[Snakebites]

Rough couple of picks there.

[JimmyPlopper]

Rough couple of picks there.

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[flaco]

Flaco will be hard to beat.

Yeah his team looks great on paper and these are paper games

Devil's Advocate, it's also Eddie Jones where injuries were catching up, Phoenix CP3, Horford without a 3P shot but even better defensively (though judging by Flaco's posts he may argue Atlanta Horford is a 3P shooter).

His team looks strong. I don't think your team is any worse on paper though.

Horford was attempting 3.1 threes per game in 2016. That's the season I'm using.

His best seasons in Boston in terms of individual accolades and advanced stats are 2018 and 2019 respectively. In comparison, he was attempting 3.1 threes per game in 2018 and 3.0 threes per game in 2019.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Flaco will be hard to beat.

Yeah his team looks great on paper and these are paper games

Devil's Advocate, it's also Eddie Jones where injuries were catching up, Phoenix CP3, Horford without a 3P shot but even better defensively (though judging by Flaco's posts he may argue Atlanta Horford is a 3P shooter).

His team looks strong. I don't think your team is any worse on paper though.

Horford was attempting 3.1 threes per game in 2016. That's the season I'm using.

His best seasons in Boston in terms of individual accolades and advanced stats are 2018 and 2019 respectively. In comparison, he was attempting 3.1 threes per game in 2018 and 3.0 threes per game in 2019.

Advanced stats also appear to show 3PAR, which is how many of a players shots are 3P. His 3PAR in 2016 was 24.4%, while in 2018 and 2019 his 3PAR is still just 30%.

This doesn't seem like a big-time floor spacer, a player shooting just 30% of their shots from 3. Horford is also a 34% 3P shooter and just 26% from the corner (He hadn't fully developed his 3P shot in 2016).

I'm not saying Horford can't space the floor, he can. The question is to what degree is he spacing the floor here?

[flaco]

Yeah his team looks great on paper and these are paper games

Devil's Advocate, it's also Eddie Jones where injuries were catching up, Phoenix CP3, Horford without a 3P shot but even better defensively (though judging by Flaco's posts he may argue Atlanta Horford is a 3P shooter).

His team looks strong. I don't think your team is any worse on paper though.

Horford was attempting 3.1 threes per game in 2016. That's the season I'm using.

His best seasons in Boston in terms of individual accolades and advanced stats are 2018 and 2019 respectively. In comparison, he was attempting 3.1 threes per game in 2018 and 3.0 threes per game in 2019.

Advanced stats also appear to show 3PAR, which is how many of a players shots are 3P. His 3PAR in 2016 was 24.4%, while in 2018 and 2019 his 3PAR is still just 30%.

This doesn't seem like a big-time floor spacer, a player shooting just 30% of their shots from 3. Horford is also a 34% 3P shooter and just 26% from the corner (He hadn't fully developed his 3P shot in 2016).

I'm not saying Horford can't space the floor, he can. The question is to what degree is he spacing the floor here?

Just because the Hawks weren't fully utilizing his skill set, it doesn't mean I have to use him the same way. We know for a fact he has 3pt range. He was shooting plenty of 3s at an above average rate in his selected season. Opponents cannot leave him open and dare him to shoot, hence he spaces the floor regardless of whether the 3 goes in or out.

34.4% from 3 equals 51.6% from 2 in terms of efficiency. That's still an efficient shot. Was also averaging 39.3% from 3pt range in the playoffs in 2.8 attempts per game. The shooting percentages are basically the same compared to his early Boston years excluding the 2018 regular season. I'd be perfectly happy with Horford taking as many 3s as the defense gives him.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Horford was attempting 3.1 threes per game in 2016. That's the season I'm using.

His best seasons in Boston in terms of individual accolades and advanced stats are 2018 and 2019 respectively. In comparison, he was attempting 3.1 threes per game in 2018 and 3.0 threes per game in 2019.

Advanced stats also appear to show 3PAR, which is how many of a players shots are 3P. His 3PAR in 2016 was 24.4%, while in 2018 and 2019 his 3PAR is still just 30%.

This doesn't seem like a big-time floor spacer, a player shooting just 30% of their shots from 3. Horford is also a 34% 3P shooter and just 26% from the corner (He hadn't fully developed his 3P shot in 2016).

I'm not saying Horford can't space the floor, he can. The question is to what degree is he spacing the floor here?

Just because the Hawks weren't fully utilizing his skill set, it doesn't mean I have to use him the same way. We know for a fact he has 3pt range. He was shooting plenty of 3s at an above average rate in his selected season. Opponents cannot leave him open and dare him to shoot, hence he spaces the floor regardless of whether the 3 goes in or out.

34.4% from 3 equals 51.6% from 2 in terms of efficiency. That's still an efficient shot. Was also averaging 39.3% from 3pt range in the playoffs in 2.8 attempts per game. The shooting percentages are basically the same compared to his early Boston years excluding the 2018 regular season. I'd be perfectly happy with Horford taking as many 3s as the defense gives him.

I see.

So you agree I can say Karl-Anthony Towns will be shooting 15-20 3's at a 40% clip?

I'm also going to have Nash shoot 15-20 3PA at a 43% clip.

That's 30-40 3PA at > 40%.

For me not every player can just increase their volume and keep the same efficiency. In fact, no players really can do that.

Grant Hill would shoot 3's in today's game but you can bet 100% I will not be selling anyone that he is going to be shooting 3's.

[Snakebites]

Flaco will be hard to beat.

Yeah his team looks great on paper and these are paper games

Devil's Advocate, it's also Eddie Jones where injuries were catching up, Phoenix CP3, Horford without a 3P shot but even better defensively (though judging by Flaco's posts he may argue Atlanta Horford is a 3P shooter).

His team looks strong. I don't think your team is any worse on paper though.

Horford was attempting 3.1 threes per game in 2016. That's the season I'm using.

His best seasons in Boston in terms of individual accolades and advanced stats are 2018 and 2019 respectively. In comparison, he was attempting 3.1 threes per game in 2018 and 3.0 threes per game in 2019.

He was also shooting them at a 34 percent clip in Atlanta. It isn’t just lower utilization. It looks clear to me his shot was still a work in progress at this stage.

I think Horford is a great fit with AD and that team in general regardless, but I don’t think he can be sold as a 3 point marksman in 2016. It’s clear to me it’s a skill he continued to hone and got legitimately better at as time went on.

[Snakebites]

Ok

You can go again.

Time is up.

Trey Murphy III is a bit deeper than I’m used to having to go in the draft pool but the fit is solid.

[flaco]

Advanced stats also appear to show 3PAR, which is how many of a players shots are 3P. His 3PAR in 2016 was 24.4%, while in 2018 and 2019 his 3PAR is still just 30%.

This doesn't seem like a big-time floor spacer, a player shooting just 30% of their shots from 3. Horford is also a 34% 3P shooter and just 26% from the corner (He hadn't fully developed his 3P shot in 2016).

I'm not saying Horford can't space the floor, he can. The question is to what degree is he spacing the floor here?

Just because the Hawks weren't fully utilizing his skill set, it doesn't mean I have to use him the same way. We know for a fact he has 3pt range. He was shooting plenty of 3s at an above average rate in his selected season. Opponents cannot leave him open and dare him to shoot, hence he spaces the floor regardless of whether the 3 goes in or out.

34.4% from 3 equals 51.6% from 2 in terms of efficiency. That's still an efficient shot. Was also averaging 39.3% from 3pt range in the playoffs in 2.8 attempts per game. The shooting percentages are basically the same compared to his early Boston years excluding the 2018 regular season. I'd be perfectly happy with Horford taking as many 3s as the defense gives him.

I see.

So you agree I can say Karl-Anthony Towns will be shooting 15-20 3's at a 40% clip?

I'm also going to have Nash shoot 15-20 3PA at a 43% clip.

That's 30-40 3PA at > 40%.

For me not every player can just increase their volume and keep the same efficiency. In fact, no players really can do that.

Grant Hill would shoot 3's in today's game but you can bet 100% I will not be selling anyone that he is going to be shooting 3's.

My argument was ''I'd be happy with Horford taking as many 3s as the defense gives him''. If KAT shoots 15-20 threes per game, chances are most of them are bad shots, hence considerably less efficient.

I'm sky high on Nash. I'd even go as far as to say he's better than Steph. Both are elite shooters and ball handlers. Nash is also an elite facilitator. Steph is a superior defender, but it's not like he's a game changer on D, whereas Nash is definitely a game changer with his passing. I fully believe Nash's advanced stats would have gone through the roof if he were playing in today's game. Not his fault he played prior to the pace-and-space era.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Ok

You can go again.

Time is up.

Trey Murphy III is a bit deeper than I’m used to having to go in the draft pool but the fit is solid.

I really like Murphy. Unlike Milal Bridges, Murphy has sustained more of his efficiency when increasing offensive workload, which is a massive boon in my player assessment because it means the environment isn't the sole caveat for the efficiency.

[Snakebites]

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Skip me when I get up, I haven't had any time today to formulate a list and I am swamped until the morning. Going with my cousin to WWE Raw in Buffalo tonight!

I will do my last picks in the morning.