Elephant in the room but isn't Barnes suppose to be getting better?

[steveholt]

Good player. Does a bit of everything. But hes not an elite scorer and not an ideal #1 option on a team. Lets see how he performs next year with BI leading the way.

[Senbonzakura]

He should be modeling his game after Draymond instead we still think we have Magic Johnson for some reason

[Kingsway_fan]

He should be modeling his game after Draymond instead we still think we have Magic Johnson for some reason

I can't imagine anyone since the first season who thinks he is remotely similar..
In any way.

[tsherkin]

He should be modeling his game after Draymond instead we still think we have Magic Johnson for some reason

I can't imagine anyone since the first season who thinks he is remotely similar..
In any way.

I think he's referring to ideas of featuring him in the offense as a large ballhandler who has any real scoring responsibility.

[HangTime]

This why I called him the NBA's Chameleon, because most people don't see the vision. Thankfully, none of those people are in charge.

[PushDaRock]

This why I called him the NBA's Chameleon, because most people don't see the vision. Thankfully, none of those people are in charge.

When we are tanking, he plays poorly to help us.

When we are competing for a championship, he will raise his game to an MVP level.

Seems like Scottie will do whatever it takes like a chameleon, so I'm starting to see the vision you do.

[TorontoBarneys]

He puts far too much effort on defense (usually unnecessary, clearly still learning) and should distribute that effort towards increasing his physicality on offense. Will get him buckets.

[tsherkin]

This why I called him the NBA's Chameleon, because most people don't see the vision. Thankfully, none of those people are in charge.

This is... not in touch with the reality of how player development works. He isn't going to just suddenly not-suck at scoring Cuz Reasons (TM).

[Johnny Bball]

I'm not sure why there wasn't a focus on running the PNR as the ballhandler or even as the PNR big at all this year. It's only about 75% of half court basketball.

[Senbonzakura]

He should be modeling his game after Draymond instead we still think we have Magic Johnson for some reason

I can't imagine anyone since the first season who thinks he is remotely similar..
In any way.

Ok keep using him as if he's Giannis then when he's not

[Raps in 4]

I'm not sure why there wasn't a focus on running the PNR as the ballhandler or even as the PNR big at all this year. It's only about 75% of half court basketball.

For all the good Darko has done developing our youth, this was a puzzling decision. It seems like our entire development plan for Scottie this year was "go out there and pretend you're Steph Curry".

[PushDaRock]

I'm not sure why there wasn't a focus on running the PNR as the ballhandler or even as the PNR big at all this year. It's only about 75% of half court basketball.

Probably because he's been really bad at it on any sort of volume. He can't turn the corner and get to the rim and is inefficient on pull-ups, so it makes it pretty easy to play drop coverage and guard it effectively. He's also a really poor screener which is why the 2 man game with IQ is so ineffective.

[PushDaRock]

I'm not sure why there wasn't a focus on running the PNR as the ballhandler or even as the PNR big at all this year. It's only about 75% of half court basketball.

For all the good Darko has done developing our youth, this was a puzzling decision. It seems like our entire development plan for Scottie this year was "go out there and pretend you're Steph Curry".

The only thing he does at an above average level is the mid range jumper so they have been feeding him those, the unfortunate thing is it's not an efficient shot to be taking in the first place. There's only so much you can do with someone that doesn't do anything offensively at a high level that's efficient.

[Tripod]

I want more of last game...him cutting to open areas and getting fed easier baskets.

[Johnny Bball]

I'm not sure why there wasn't a focus on running the PNR as the ballhandler or even as the PNR big at all this year. It's only about 75% of half court basketball.

Probably because he's been really bad at it on any sort of volume. He can't turn the corner and get to the rim and is inefficient on pull-ups, so it makes it pretty easy to play drop coverage and guard it effectively. He's also a really poor screener which is why the 2 man game with IQ is so ineffective.

Kind of why you think they would have worked on it. Its waiving the white flag on all of it. How hard is it to teach him to screen.

[PushDaRock]

I'm not sure why there wasn't a focus on running the PNR as the ballhandler or even as the PNR big at all this year. It's only about 75% of half court basketball.

Probably because he's been really bad at it on any sort of volume. He can't turn the corner and get to the rim and is inefficient on pull-ups, so it makes it pretty easy to play drop coverage and guard it effectively. He's also a really poor screener which is why the 2 man game with IQ is so ineffective.

Kind of why you think they would have worked on it. Its waiving the white flag on all of it. How hard is it to teach him to screen.

obviously harder than you think if he's so bad at it

[Clay Davis]

I'm not sure why there wasn't a focus on running the PNR as the ballhandler or even as the PNR big at all this year. It's only about 75% of half court basketball.

For all the good Darko has done developing our youth, this was a puzzling decision. It seems like our entire development plan for Scottie this year was "go out there and pretend you're Steph Curry".

The only thing he does at an above average level is the mid range jumper so they have been feeding him those, the unfortunate thing is it's not an efficient shot to be taking in the first place. There's only so much you can do with someone that doesn't do anything offensively at a high level that's efficient.

Ya. The reason why the midrange is efficient for someone like Kawhi or KD is because teams will fight really hard to get them away from receiving the ball in either the paint or beyond the arc. The utility of Scottie's midrange is more akin to Demar's than Kawhi's. Teams gave the midrange to Kawhi since they had no choice... it's either that or he converts at a high percentage in the paint or gives a higher expected number of points beyond the arc. With Demar they give him the midrange and are happy since, however good he is from there, they're not giving up a higher expected number of points as a good three-point shooter would deliver, nor is it a high enough percentage to feel akin to a shot in the paint. It is the rizz of the statisticals. The Measure Theory of rizz, if you will. I would recommend Scottie Barners to take graduate-level real analysis to understand the rizz of the Measure Theory that underlies modern probability theory.

[PushDaRock]

I want more of last game...him cutting to open areas and getting fed easier baskets.

Last night he had 4 dunks that were handed out on a silver platter, that really should have been the type of game where you go 12-16 instead of 8-16, but his shot diet probably needs to look similar to that in order for him to get to a respectable efficiency level. Unfortunately not every team is like Utah with such terrible rim protection without Kessler, even IQ was getting to the rim at will out there.

[PushDaRock]

For all the good Darko has done developing our youth, this was a puzzling decision. It seems like our entire development plan for Scottie this year was "go out there and pretend you're Steph Curry".

The only thing he does at an above average level is the mid range jumper so they have been feeding him those, the unfortunate thing is it's not an efficient shot to be taking in the first place. There's only so much you can do with someone that doesn't do anything offensively at a high level that's efficient.

Ya. The reason why the midrange is efficient for someone like Kawhi or KD is because teams will fight really hard to get them away from receiving the ball in either the paint or beyond the arc. The utility of Scottie's midrange is more akin to Demar's than Kawhi's. Teams gave the midrange to Kawhi since they had no choice... it's either that or he converts at a high percentage in the paint or gives a higher expected number of points beyond the arc. With Demar they give him the midrange and are happy since, however good he is from there, they're not giving up a higher expected number of points as a good three-point shooter would deliver, nor is it a high enough percentage to feel akin to a shot in the paint. It is the rizz of the statisticals. The Measure Theory of rizz, if you will. I would recommend Scottie Barners to take graduate-level real analysis to understand the rizz of the Measure Theory that underlies modern probability theory.

lacking rizz in his game is the perfect way to put it

[Tripod]

I want more of last game...him cutting to open areas and getting fed easier baskets.

Last night he had 4 dunks that were handed out on a silver platter, that really should have been the type of game where you go 12-16 instead of 8-16, but his shot diet probably needs to look similar to that in order for him to get to a respectable efficiency level. Unfortunately not every team is like Utah with such terrible rim protection without Kessler, even IQ was getting to the rim at will out there.

Agreed.

But my point was more of....how many times a game do we say Barnes was fed for am easy basket? It's rare. Compare that to how many times he sets up others.

In the end, we added BI to run more offense thru a better offensive player than anyone else on our team. That should help everyone....and that's a good thing.