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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#241 » by DuckIII » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:32 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:For fans that are draft obsessed, this probably isn't the most appealing part to rebuild your team, but considering how the majority of our best players being 25 years or younger, we've somehow manage to find ourselves in a decent position to rebuild on the fly. It's just a matter of whether the front office goes all in on someone like Zion or LeMelo and disrupts the identity that we look to be building. Playing fast, playing hard, and playing together - these are the types of players that the front office should have always surrounded Billy around.


The reason to prioritize the draft is to get contending ceiling young talent that you can’t otherwise convince teams to trade to you. It remains, objectively speaking, by far the most likely way to obtain the types of elite franchise players every team needs, despite those odds still being poor. It’s just inherent to how it works.

But if you have young contending level talent on your team the scale slides and priorities change. Some fans - whether they believe it or not and I don’t believe they do and are being deliberately intellectually dishonest - love to claim “tankers” just mindlessly want to tank until they get Wemby. Not at all true.

With Giddey’s play, which I am now fully convinced is sustainable, and Coby’s rise as a seemingly ideal backcourt mate who fits with Giddey hand-to-glove (offensively), tanking does become less important. It’s a spectrum.

It would still be best, barring some legit franchise talent actually wanting to come to Chicago, to rise and fall with the youngsters for one more full year to see though. We should, for whatever that looks like, stay young to maximize our picks the next two drafts.
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#242 » by Jeffster81 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:33 pm

The Bulls were never going to get a pick high enough for Flagg, so the next best thing is to let these young dogs to pllay well and winning games, regardless of the opponent.

Bulls just beat the Lakers in LA and the Nuggets in Denver. How are you not impressed by this, especially since it was with the young dogs at the front leading the charge?
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#243 » by DuckIII » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:33 pm

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He’s going to be an allstar next season at this rate.


If by “at this rate” you mean his post-Lavine play, he’ll be second team all-NBA.
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#244 » by sco » Tue Mar 25, 2025 12:59 pm

I was thinking this was a win going into the game. DEN didn't have Joker and was on a B2B, but those games are dangerous because you don't know how the dynamics change when a star is out, and DEN played very well, so not as meaningless of a win as I thought. On our playing with pace tonight...given the altituded, DEN is probably the toughest place to do it in the league.

Coby's ascendence and confidence is really special to watch. Good to see him find his 3 ball.

Giddey continues to be an absolute wrecking ball in the lane. Getting Murray in foul trouble early was a key to our win.

Matas had another decent game...good to see his 3's falling again. Not sure why he only played 24min.

Vuc was getting killed by Jordan inside, I remain baffled why he is getting so many minutes.

Pat wasn't good but he wasn't terrible, bummed his 3pt shots weren't falling. Want him to shoot those 10 times out 10 than drive the lane for open dunks.

Terry went 4-4 on 3's, has that ever happened. It's like only one of PWill, Terry or Phillips can play well on any given night.
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#245 » by RSP83 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:10 pm

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to be fair.. those fans are mad because this year is supposedly one of the stronger draft class in recent times, especially in the top 5. Had we do this last year with this same group, I think those fans wouldn't be as mad.
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#246 » by Bullbleep » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:26 pm

RSP83 wrote:https://www.denverpost.com/2025/03/24/nuggets-bulls-coby-white-stats-nikola-jokic-out/

  • Bulls season sweep Nuggets.
  • The Bulls arrived in Denver with seven wins in their last nine games, averaging 24 fast-break points in the last five.
  • Interesting quote from Mike Malone: “They did it when we lost to them in Chicago, and they’re doing it at even a better level now: They’re running,” Malone said. “… When you think about teams that run, a lot of times, that’ll be, they’re getting offense off their defense. Well, that’s not the case. This team is by far the best running team in the league, especially after made baskets. The answer-back. They get the ball out of the net, inbounds and up the court faster than anybody.”.

Insightful comment in that article from Murray - “We’re getting beat by teams that do something really well, and we’re not taking that away from them”. In the playoffs, intensity goes up, familiarity with what the other team wants to do increases, defensive numbers go up, and offensive numbers go down. Question: how does this open & flowing style of play fare once things change to playoff basketball? Not complaining about what the Bulls are doing here. Just genuinely wondering what they’ll need to do down the road to harden it for playoff basketball…
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#247 » by eierluke » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:41 pm

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kulaz3000 wrote:For fans that are draft obsessed, this probably isn't the most appealing part to rebuild your team, but considering how the majority of our best players being 25 years or younger, we've somehow manage to find ourselves in a decent position to rebuild on the fly. It's just a matter of whether the front office goes all in on someone like Zion or LeMelo and disrupts the identity that we look to be building. Playing fast, playing hard, and playing together - these are the types of players that the front office should have always surrounded Billy around.


The reason to prioritize the draft is to get contending ceiling young talent that you can’t otherwise convince teams to trade to you. It remains, objectively speaking, by far the most likely way to obtain the types of elite franchise players every team needs, despite those odds still being poor. It’s just inherent to how it works.

But if you have young contending level talent on your team the scale slides and priorities change. Some fans - whether they believe it or not and I don’t believe they do and are being deliberately intellectually dishonest - love to claim “tankers” just mindlessly want to tank until they get Wemby. Not at all true.

With Giddey’s play, which I am now fully convinced is sustainable, and Coby’s rise as a seemingly ideal backcourt mate who fits with Giddey hand-to-glove (offensively), tanking does become less important. It’s a spectrum.

It would still be best, barring some legit franchise talent actually wanting to come to Chicago, to rise and fall with the youngsters for one more full year to see though. We should, for whatever that looks like, stay young to maximize our picks the next two drafts.


While for many years, superstars just did not change teams while in their prime, migratory bird LeBron James changed this culture:
recent finals mvps who werden't drafted by the winning team of the finals:
2020 Lakers L.James
2019 Raptors K.Leonard
2018 Warriors K.Durant
2017 Warriors K.Durant
2015 Warriors A.Iguidala
2013 Heat L.James
2012 Heat L.James

That means that teams can win championships now by aquiring their best player via free agency.
Precondition however is that those free agents don't join them while they are losing teams. They join them when everything is comfortable prepared for them to get a ring.
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#248 » by DuckIII » Tue Mar 25, 2025 1:50 pm

eierluke wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:For fans that are draft obsessed, this probably isn't the most appealing part to rebuild your team, but considering how the majority of our best players being 25 years or younger, we've somehow manage to find ourselves in a decent position to rebuild on the fly. It's just a matter of whether the front office goes all in on someone like Zion or LeMelo and disrupts the identity that we look to be building. Playing fast, playing hard, and playing together - these are the types of players that the front office should have always surrounded Billy around.


The reason to prioritize the draft is to get contending ceiling young talent that you can’t otherwise convince teams to trade to you. It remains, objectively speaking, by far the most likely way to obtain the types of elite franchise players every team needs, despite those odds still being poor. It’s just inherent to how it works.

But if you have young contending level talent on your team the scale slides and priorities change. Some fans - whether they believe it or not and I don’t believe they do and are being deliberately intellectually dishonest - love to claim “tankers” just mindlessly want to tank until they get Wemby. Not at all true.

With Giddey’s play, which I am now fully convinced is sustainable, and Coby’s rise as a seemingly ideal backcourt mate who fits with Giddey hand-to-glove (offensively), tanking does become less important. It’s a spectrum.

It would still be best, barring some legit franchise talent actually wanting to come to Chicago, to rise and fall with the youngsters for one more full year to see though. We should, for whatever that looks like, stay young to maximize our picks the next two drafts.


While for many years, superstars just did not change teams while in their prime, migratory bird LeBron James changed this culture:
recent finals mvps who werden't drafted by the winning team of the finals:
2020 Lakers L.James
2019 Raptors K.Leonard
2018 Warriors K.Durant
2017 Warriors K.Durant
2015 Warriors A.Iguidala
2013 Heat L.James
2012 Heat L.James

That means that teams can win championships now by aquiring their best player via free agency.
Precondition however is that those free agents don't join them while they are losing teams. They join them when everything is comfortable prepared for them to get a ring.


Absolutely happens. But when it does it’s usually because a guy demands to land in one of 2-3 specific places and no one else even gets a seat at the table. So it does not mitigate at all the significance of the draft. You want to be the team that drafts these guys so you have a chance to contend with them and keep them in house during their primes. That some leave later doesn’t change that.
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#249 » by Ice Man » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:08 pm

eierluke wrote:While for many years, superstars just did not change teams while in their prime, migratory bird LeBron James changed this culture:
recent finals mvps who werden't drafted by the winning team of the finals:
2020 Lakers L.James
2019 Raptors K.Leonard
2018 Warriors K.Durant
2017 Warriors K.Durant
2015 Warriors A.Iguidala
2013 Heat L.James
2012 Heat L.James

That means that teams can win championships now by aquiring their best player via free agency.
Precondition however is that those free agents don't join them while they are losing teams. They join them when everything is comfortable prepared for them to get a ring.


Yep, although it's also worth wondering if that trend is still in play. Champs from 2021 through 2024 were led by home-grown stars, and with OKC, Cleveland, and Boston the large favorites to win this season, it look as if 2025 will make a 5th year where the champion wasn't led by an FA.

(Yeah I know that Mitchell wasn't drafted by the Cavs, nor SGA by OKC, but they came through clever acquisitions, not as FAs.)
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#250 » by eierluke » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:10 pm

DuckIII wrote:
eierluke wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
The reason to prioritize the draft is to get contending ceiling young talent that you can’t otherwise convince teams to trade to you. It remains, objectively speaking, by far the most likely way to obtain the types of elite franchise players every team needs, despite those odds still being poor. It’s just inherent to how it works.

But if you have young contending level talent on your team the scale slides and priorities change. Some fans - whether they believe it or not and I don’t believe they do and are being deliberately intellectually dishonest - love to claim “tankers” just mindlessly want to tank until they get Wemby. Not at all true.

With Giddey’s play, which I am now fully convinced is sustainable, and Coby’s rise as a seemingly ideal backcourt mate who fits with Giddey hand-to-glove (offensively), tanking does become less important. It’s a spectrum.

It would still be best, barring some legit franchise talent actually wanting to come to Chicago, to rise and fall with the youngsters for one more full year to see though. We should, for whatever that looks like, stay young to maximize our picks the next two drafts.


While for many years, superstars just did not change teams while in their prime, migratory bird LeBron James changed this culture:
recent finals mvps who werden't drafted by the winning team of the finals:
2020 Lakers L.James
2019 Raptors K.Leonard
2018 Warriors K.Durant
2017 Warriors K.Durant
2015 Warriors A.Iguidala
2013 Heat L.James
2012 Heat L.James

That means that teams can win championships now by aquiring their best player via free agency.
Precondition however is that those free agents don't join them while they are losing teams. They join them when everything is comfortable prepared for them to get a ring.


Absolutely happens. But when it does it’s usually because a guy demands to land in one of 2-3 specific places and no one else even gets a seat at the table. So it does not mitigate at all the significance of the draft. You want to be the team that drafts these guys so you have a chance to contend with them and keep them in house during their primes. That some leave later doesn’t change that.


On a sidenote it inheres much more fun winning with a grown up player you drafted like Jordan, Hakeem, Kobe, Duncan or Nowitzky than with mercenarys like James or Durant
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#251 » by BeatDaCavs420 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:17 pm

JimmyButler21 wrote:
NecessaryEvil wrote:
JimmyButler21 wrote:The Bulls beat a Nuggets team on a back to back without Jokic, now they're gonna beat the Cavs. This board gets delusional every March


It’s either the Cavs or the Celtics. I’ll take the Cavs as well. They aren’t the defending NBA champions. Nothing wrong with what he said.

Both teams are demolishing the Bulls and it ends with the Bulls grabbing a middle of the 1st round pick. And then we get to November and teams in the NBA aren't tanking and resting starters for the playoffs and things normalize for the Bulls. It's happened 3 years in a row.

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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#252 » by drosestruts » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:37 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:It's not like I dislike Zach and DeMar as people or anything, or that I even passionately disliked them as players whilst on the Bulls, but man, is the team a lot more fun to watch without them on the roster. It's truly night and day.


In my mind the issue was never Zach or DeMar or Vuc

The issue was always playing them all together (even more so when you add in Patrick Williams to that lineup).

A very true the sum is less than the equal of its parts type group.


One of the fun things about the current roster is that they fit well together and compliment each other (minus Vuc who is driving me crazy).
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#253 » by drosestruts » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:42 pm

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How many times can you upvote a single post??
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Post#254 » by Chi town » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:45 pm

pipfan wrote:Most fun I've had watching the Bulls since that run a few years ago with Ball. I actually look forward to games now.

I think we go after Zion in the summer-see if he's available and go for it


Had to breakout the MJ jersey lastnight!
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Post#255 » by drosestruts » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:47 pm

DuckIII wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:For fans that are draft obsessed, this probably isn't the most appealing part to rebuild your team, but considering how the majority of our best players being 25 years or younger, we've somehow manage to find ourselves in a decent position to rebuild on the fly. It's just a matter of whether the front office goes all in on someone like Zion or LeMelo and disrupts the identity that we look to be building. Playing fast, playing hard, and playing together - these are the types of players that the front office should have always surrounded Billy around.


The reason to prioritize the draft is to get contending ceiling young talent that you can’t otherwise convince teams to trade to you. It remains, objectively speaking, by far the most likely way to obtain the types of elite franchise players every team needs, despite those odds still being poor. It’s just inherent to how it works.


Turns out you can just trade a journeyman defensive specialist for one after one bad playoff series.


Blazers should propose a Thybulle for Jalen Williams trade.
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Post#256 » by drosestruts » Tue Mar 25, 2025 2:58 pm

Another fun win! We're witnessing what pretty much a majority of the board has been clamoring for. Young players breaking out and leading the team to wins. Enjoy it or admit you're a hypocrite debby downer troll.


Dalen Terry - Terry going 4-4 from 3 wasn't even my favorite thing of the night from him. I loved the way he face guarded Murray 94 feet for pretty much the entire 2nd half. I honestly feel like a lot of young players think they're above doing something like that. Terry doesn't care at all. I like seeing a player with that edge and willingness to do what it takes. It's also very exhausting to do so shoutut to Terry who clearly works on his conditioning.

White and Giddey - continuing to look like a fun dynamic duo. Would have loved a Giddey triple-double as a cherry on top for the night. Coby's handles and footwork are insane. Kings fans said it on Reddit recently, and someone else said it in this thread earlier, but Coby's offense has been looking Harden-esque during this stretch. Can score from wherever and can get wherever he wants.

Vuc and Williams - can we please stop playing these guys? Sure Vuc had two late-game baskets but he also was a big reason Denver had two staight-line dunks at the end of the game. Vuc is nothing but a spectator out there on defense.


Was happy to get a Jalen Smith sighting. Would prefer for it to come at the expense of Vuc and not Collins.


Giddey needs to average 11/1.6/6.5 over the last 10 games to end the season with 1000 points 500 rebounds and 500 assists
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#257 » by ChicagoStrong » Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:17 pm

Coby is making me a believer.

I thought his best role would be suited as a microwave scorer off the bench.
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#258 » by RSP83 » Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:10 pm

Bullbleep wrote:
RSP83 wrote:https://www.denverpost.com/2025/03/24/nuggets-bulls-coby-white-stats-nikola-jokic-out/

  • Bulls season sweep Nuggets.
  • The Bulls arrived in Denver with seven wins in their last nine games, averaging 24 fast-break points in the last five.
  • Interesting quote from Mike Malone: “They did it when we lost to them in Chicago, and they’re doing it at even a better level now: They’re running,” Malone said. “… When you think about teams that run, a lot of times, that’ll be, they’re getting offense off their defense. Well, that’s not the case. This team is by far the best running team in the league, especially after made baskets. The answer-back. They get the ball out of the net, inbounds and up the court faster than anybody.”.

Insightful comment in that article from Murray - “We’re getting beat by teams that do something really well, and we’re not taking that away from them”. In the playoffs, intensity goes up, familiarity with what the other team wants to do increases, defensive numbers go up, and offensive numbers go down. Question: how does this open & flowing style of play fare once things change to playoff basketball? Not complaining about what the Bulls are doing here. Just genuinely wondering what they’ll need to do down the road to harden it for playoff basketball…


Imagine if these players maximize their talent:
- Coby becomes a legit 25 points per game scorer
- Giddey becomes a triple double threat with respectable 3-point and passable defense
- Huerter becomes an elite volume three point shooter
- Buzelis becomes a 15-18 points per game 2-way player
- Lonzo back to his elite 3&D form
- Zach Collins becomes one of the league's top backup 5 (he kinda was earlier in San Antonio)
- Tre Jones becomes a legit starting caliber point guard
- Ayo becomes one of the leagues best sixthman
- Jalen Smith becomes one of the league's top backup 4
- Pat becomes a solid rotation 3&D player (notice I don't have high expectation)
- Terry becomes the player we see these last 3 games.
- Phillips becomes the DJJ with a 3-point shot

If all those above pan out, I think:
1. We still need an elite big. I don't think Collins and Smith is good enough to matchup with elite bigs like Cavs twin towers, the Wembys, the Holmgrens.
2. False Depth. Playoffs are usually shorter rotations (7-8 players). The depth advantage in the regular season won't mean much in the post-season. This team's 7-8th man depth's floor and ceiling isn't really high.
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#259 » by NecessaryEvil » Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:27 pm

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It was roughly halfway through the 3rd when I caught Russ bent over, holding his shorts and gasping for air. I realized right around then that it was a matter of time before the game was completely in our favor. We’re literally running teams out of the gym.

When Zo, Tre and Ayo get back we are going to be a FORCE. One of the most unique rebuilds I’ve seen in some time.
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Re: Bulls @ Nuggets 8pm CT Mar. 24 2025 

Post#260 » by HearshotKDS » Tue Mar 25, 2025 4:56 pm

Another really fun win and its on the back of the young talent. After a few seasons of rudderless drifting on a team that clearly had no future as constructed it feels so nice to finally have direction, and especially seeing wins as a result.

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