Kings - Mavs - PHX - Magic Durant/Sabonis on the move

[LightTheBeam]

Bigger than probably realistic

Mavs out: Washington, Lively, Martin, Powell, Klay
Mavs in: Durant
They would need to add cheap depth like resigning Spencer, Exum. But ultimately a real title contender when Kyrie comes back.

Suns out: KD
Suns in: Sabonis, Martin
Reports were KD is getting traded this summer. They don't want to start fresh with Book and a rebuild. Sabonis might be the type of guy who can make a Booker/Beal duo work.

Magic out: Isaac, Black
Magic in: Klay, Monk
Magic need some offense. Klay is still a legit sniper, and Monk makes a lot of sense on a team with Wagner-Banchero. Great fits at a cheap cost.

Kings out: Sabonis, Monk
Kings in: Lively, Black, Washington, Powell, Isaac

Kings begin the rebuild. DeMar/JV would be shipped out next. The start of the core is Black - Carter - Keon - Keegan - Washington - Lively + this years draft pick. The idea is to tank hard the next 2 years while we are stuck with LaVine, adding the #1 and #2 for the team. And we would have a great complimentary core already put together.

[Mavrelous]

Lively/Washington > Sabonis if Mavs are willing pay that for KD (I'm not), Suns should just take them.

[LightTheBeam]

Lively/Washington > Sabonis if Mavs are willing pay that for KD (I'm not), Suns should just take them.

Ya I mean there's an argument to cut out Sac here and just take the Dallas package direct.

Depends on your opinion of Sabonis. So far he's been a 19-14-7 guy who has finished all nba two years in a row. He also fits a Booker timeline/playstyle really well.

Phx also has guys like Dunn, Allen, O'Neale to take that a smaller but similar PJ role. Not sure they'd prioritize adding more role players over a guy who can be a secondary star to Booker. And with Beal a year away from being an expiring, he's a candidate to use with those picks they got to break down into more necessary role players.

[orlando_joe]

magic not taking on those contracts for bench players ...easy pass

[babyjax13]

Lively/Washington > Sabonis if Mavs are willing pay that for KD (I'm not), Suns should just take them.

Ya I mean there's an argument to cut out Sac here and just take the Dallas package direct.

Depends on your opinion of Sabonis. So far he's been a 19-14-7 guy who has finished all nba two years in a row. He also fits a Booker timeline/playstyle really well.

Phx also has guys like Dunn, Allen, O'Neale to take that a smaller but similar PJ role. Not sure they'd prioritize adding more role players over a guy who can be a secondary star to Booker. And with Beal a year away from being an expiring, he's a candidate to use with those picks they got to break down into more necessary role players.

I really like Phoenix getting Sabonis, I think they have some nice perimeter defense after this and Booker/Sabonis are - hypothetically - a nice duo. I think Orlando could/would be cut out of this, though. They can get a scoring combo guard without moving a recent lottery pick.

[jayjaysee]

I’d cut out Phoenix not Sacramento. Trade Gafford + ? for a guard.

[Godaddycurse]

magic not taking on those contracts for bench players ...easy pass

Monk would start

[Magic_Johnny12]

magic not taking on those contracts for bench players ...easy pass

Monk would start

I hear you, but over who? Assuming the team is at full strength.

And before you say KCP, please really think about that answer because it’s not as black and white as one might think.

In 2K sure, in real life and with all things considered Monk is still a bench piece.

[orlando_joe]

magic not taking on those contracts for bench players ...easy pass

Monk would start

so you send kcp to bench? his numbers are no better and worse defense not enough shots for him to be worth it...this is not even legal magic cant take on 40 mill and send out 22 ..and just not taking on those contracts or moving black for either one of those players ..or isaac for either player

[Godaddycurse]

magic not taking on those contracts for bench players ...easy pass

Monk would start

I hear you, but over who? Assuming the team is at full strength.

And before you say KCP, please really think about that answer because it’s not as black and white as one might think.

In 2K sure, in real life and with all things considered Monk is still a bench piece.

Monk offers more creation and playmaking which they need in the starting lineup imo

[jredsaz]

I’d cut out Phoenix not Sacramento. Trade Gafford + ? for a guard.

I think Suns would agree. They need picks coming back in a KD deal. I love Sabonis as a player but defensively with Book and Beal things would be rough.

Also, Durant is a major win now piece for specific teams and I think there is more value out there for him than Sabonis.

[jredsaz]

Bigger than probably realistic

Mavs out: Washington, Lively, Martin, Powell, Klay
Mavs in: Durant
They would need to add cheap depth like resigning Spencer, Exum. But ultimately a real title contender when Kyrie comes back.

Suns out: KD
Suns in: Sabonis, Martin
Reports were KD is getting traded this summer. They don't want to start fresh with Book and a rebuild. Sabonis might be the type of guy who can make a Booker/Beal duo work.

Magic out: Isaac, Black
Magic in: Klay, Monk
Magic need some offense. Klay is still a legit sniper, and Monk makes a lot of sense on a team with Wagner-Banchero. Great fits at a cheap cost.

Kings out: Sabonis, Monk
Kings in: Lively, Black, Washington, Powell, Isaac

Kings begin the rebuild. DeMar/JV would be shipped out next. The start of the core is Black - Carter - Keon - Keegan - Washington - Lively + this years draft pick. The idea is too tank hard the next 2 years while we are stuck with LaVine, adding the #1 and #2 for the team. And we would have a great complimentary core already put together.

If I’m the Suns I’d prefer the Kings return for Durant over the Sabonis package.

[jayjaysee]

I’d cut out Phoenix not Sacramento. Trade Gafford + ? for a guard.

I think Suns would agree. They need picks coming back in a KD deal. I love Sabonis as a player but defensively with Book and Beal things would be rough.

Also, Durant is a major win now piece for specific teams and I think there is more value out there for him than Sabonis.

I think a 29 year old Sabonis (3yr below 28% av) should have more value than a 37 year old KD (1yr35%)

Think Suns should definitely do the OP imo. I wouldn’t think of Beal, he’s just a NTC waiting to open his trade destination list. Or expire.. Booker/Sabonis becomes a core that raises the floor through the pick debt.

But you could just cut out Orlando if Dallas does their deal and get the youth you want. Picks are nice, but Lively/Black are picks that hit, at some level.. PJ and Isaac probably overlap too much with what Phoenix has (or has hope for) but there’s value to be had in them with a third team... Which is nicer when retooling around Booker..

I just think “Sabonis/AD/Kyrie” is a better plan for Dallas than committing to KD and having a 1-2 year window of real contention before 3-4 years of pick debt. Especially when Kyrie will likely miss a good amount of the one season

[Skybox]

Monk would start

I hear you, but over who? Assuming the team is at full strength.

And before you say KCP, please really think about that answer because it’s not as black and white as one might think.

In 2K sure, in real life and with all things considered Monk is still a bench piece.

Monk offers more creation and playmaking which they need in the starting lineup imo

Absolutely do it for ORL, but someone else in the trade will need to eat the additional salary...Isaac is $15m and Black is $8m. ORL is in NO position to take on more big vet salaries with Paolo's max looming and Franz and Suggs hitting the books next season. As a basketball decision - it's easy.

Monk is 18.8 and Klay is 16.7...so ORL would need to drop an additional $12 or 13m (just to stay even-ish). Somebody in this deal is saving a bunch. Maybe, with 2 significant guards coming in, ORL should be looking to move KCP here. Personally, I'd much rather move him than Black, who is approaching his level of contribution at a much lower salary and wear on the tires.

[jredsaz]

I’d cut out Phoenix not Sacramento. Trade Gafford + ? for a guard.

I think Suns would agree. They need picks coming back in a KD deal. I love Sabonis as a player but defensively with Book and Beal things would be rough.

Also, Durant is a major win now piece for specific teams and I think there is more value out there for him than Sabonis.

I think a 29 year old Sabonis (3yr below 28% av) should have more value than a 37 year old KD (1yr35%)

Think Suns should definitely do the OP imo. I wouldn’t think of Beal, he’s just a NTC waiting to open his trade destination list. Or expire.. Booker/Sabonis becomes a core that raises the floor through the pick debt.

But you could just cut out Orlando if Dallas does their deal and get the youth you want. Picks are nice, but Lively/Black are picks that hit, at some level.. PJ and Isaac probably overlap too much with what Phoenix has (or has hope for) but there’s value to be had in them with a third team... Which is nicer when retooling around Booker..

I just think “Sabonis/AD/Kyrie” is a better plan for Dallas than committing to KD and having a 1-2 year window of real contention before 3-4 years of pick debt. Especially when Kyrie will likely miss a good amount of the one season

That’s fair. Sabonis might have a higher value to even most teams. Just feel like most teams who come up short this postseason will value KD more. Could be wrong. Sabonis is tough to win with in the playoffs imo and that’s coloring my analysis.

I agree with Kyrie out most of next season a longer term solution than KD might be better.

[NYG]

I think it could simply be...

Kings get:
Dereck Lively II
Naji Marshall
Klay Thompson
Daniel Gafford
'25 Mavs 1st

Suns get:
Domantas Sabonis
PJ Washington
Caleb Martin

Mavericks get:
Kevin Durant
Grayson Allen

(technically two deals as Washington for Allen would need to be separate for cap purposes)

[LightTheBeam]

I’d cut out Phoenix not Sacramento. Trade Gafford + ? for a guard.

I think Suns would agree. They need picks coming back in a KD deal. I love Sabonis as a player but defensively with Book and Beal things would be rough.

Also, Durant is a major win now piece for specific teams and I think there is more value out there for him than Sabonis.

I think a 29 year old Sabonis (3yr below 28% av) should have more value than a 37 year old KD (1yr35%)

Think Suns should definitely do the OP imo. I wouldn’t think of Beal, he’s just a NTC waiting to open his trade destination list. Or expire.. Booker/Sabonis becomes a core that raises the floor through the pick debt.

But you could just cut out Orlando if Dallas does their deal and get the youth you want. Picks are nice, but Lively/Black are picks that hit, at some level.. PJ and Isaac probably overlap too much with what Phoenix has (or has hope for) but there’s value to be had in them with a third team... Which is nicer when retooling around Booker..

I just think “Sabonis/AD/Kyrie” is a better plan for Dallas than committing to KD and having a 1-2 year window of real contention before 3-4 years of pick debt. Especially when Kyrie will likely miss a good amount of the one season

I did think about the Sabonis/AD/Kyrie trio. And I actually love that trio. Sabonis falls into the 3rd spot, he gets a weak side defender hes badly needed.

The reason I decided for KD, it just felt like a bigger name splash that Dallas needed to make. But salary wise it's a much easier deal for both teams.

Maybe I'll explore this further in another thread

[LightTheBeam]

I hear you, but over who? Assuming the team is at full strength.

And before you say KCP, please really think about that answer because it’s not as black and white as one might think.

In 2K sure, in real life and with all things considered Monk is still a bench piece.

Monk offers more creation and playmaking which they need in the starting lineup imo

Absolutely do it for ORL, but someone else in the trade will need to eat the additional salary...Isaac is $15m and Black is $8m. ORL is in NO position to take on more big vet salaries with Paolo's max looming and Franz and Suggs hitting the books next season. As a basketball decision - it's easy.

Monk is 18.8 and Klay is 16.7...so ORL would need to drop an additional $12 or 13m (just to stay even-ish). Somebody in this deal is saving a bunch. Maybe, with 2 significant guards coming in, ORL should be looking to move KCP here. Personally, I'd much rather move him than Black, who is approaching his level of contribution at a much lower salary and wear on the tires.

This is on me. Seems Isaac contract scales back down. Cole would need to be included here, which probably isn't a big deal?

Suggs, KCP, Monk cover majority of the guard minutes, Klay covers some along with some backup 3.

Goga/WCJ/Wagner
Banchero/Da Silva
Franz/Klay/Jett
Suggs/KCP
Monk/Joseph

[jredsaz]

I think it could simply be...

Kings get:
Dereck Lively II
Naji Marshall
Klay Thompson
Daniel Gafford
'25 Mavs 1st

Suns get:
Domantas Sabonis
PJ Washington
Caleb Martin

Mavericks get:
Kevin Durant
Grayson Allen

(technically two deals as Washington for Allen would need to be separate for cap purposes)

Adding PJ and Sabonis is good value for the Suns. I’m guessing they don’t want Martin. If KD goes they HAVE to get under the second apron.

[orlando_joe]

Monk offers more creation and playmaking which they need in the starting lineup imo

Absolutely do it for ORL, but someone else in the trade will need to eat the additional salary...Isaac is $15m and Black is $8m. ORL is in NO position to take on more big vet salaries with Paolo's max looming and Franz and Suggs hitting the books next season. As a basketball decision - it's easy.

Monk is 18.8 and Klay is 16.7...so ORL would need to drop an additional $12 or 13m (just to stay even-ish). Somebody in this deal is saving a bunch. Maybe, with 2 significant guards coming in, ORL should be looking to move KCP here. Personally, I'd much rather move him than Black, who is approaching his level of contribution at a much lower salary and wear on the tires.

This is on me. Seems Isaac contract scales back down. Cole would need to be included here, which probably isn't a big deal?

Suggs, KCP, Monk cover majority of the guard minutes, Klay covers some along with some backup 3.

Goga/WCJ/Wagner
Banchero/Da Silva
Franz/Klay/Jett
Suggs/KCP
Monk/Joseph

not just next season its after next season that also paolo contract will kick in ..magic need money off the books then ..both klay and monk are on books for 2 and 3 more yrs ..and more reason they need the rookie deal of black for 2 more yrs and he more and more looks like he can step in when kcp contract over and cole expire next season ..magic i think see houstan and da silva off bench as combined third of klays money as stepping into bench roll with better defense and younger legs..they just can not afford any more larger vet contracts..only thing i see is swap out of kcp contract for anything past next yr...even isaac is not guaranteed after next yr and has out for injury