2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part V

[BurningHeart]

Get rid of all of them.

Ishbia included.

We all wished for Sarver to lose the team. Well, I guess we should have been careful what we asked for. Do we really trust this **** loser to make good decisions on our next GM, organizational approach, etc given his attitude and approach thus far?

[SunsRback4Good]

Get rid of all of them.

Ishbia included.

We all wished for Sarver to lose the team. Well, I guess we should have been careful what we asked for. Do we really trust this **** loser to make good decisions on our next GM, organizational approach, etc given his attitude and approach thus far?

Suns should’ve had tryouts for our next owner instead they chose a guy who throws money at anything. Ishbia got too excited for KD and that is going to set us back for foreseeable future. The best we can do is get rid of James Jones and 95% of our roster starting with KD & Book. Ishbia is not going anywhere so getting rid of him is slim to none.

[Djedefre]

If they don't trade Booker and start anew, i'm officially done with this franchise

[Saberestar]

Kevin Durant (ankle) to undergo MRI on Monday.

He won't travel with Suns to start 3-game road trip, per coach Budenholzer

It's a simple ankle sprain but him being out just one week will be terrible for our Play-In hopes.

He probably out 2 weeks, we will know more tomorrow.

Beal probably will be back for the game against the Bucks. Then we have the games @ Boston and @ New York. It's gonna be hard to win any of those three games, but it will be interesting to watch Beal back on a prominent role to see if he can really help us on the court.

[sunsbg]

Kevin Durant (ankle) to undergo MRI on Monday.

He won't travel with Suns to start 3-game road trip, per coach Budenholzer

It's a simple ankle sprain but him being out just one week will be terrible for our Play-In hopes.

He probably out 2 weeks, we will know more tomorrow.

Beal probably will be back for the game against the Bucks. Then we have the games @ Boston and @ New York. It's gonna be hard to win any of those three games, but it will be interesting to watch Beal back on a prominent role to see if he can really help us on the court.

When it rains it pours. So it's official. No play-in. Wish I had bet more money on Mavs making it.

[Calvin Klein]

We need some hero journalist to dig some dirt on ishbia, I’m sure there’s lots. It’s our only hope.

[SunsRback4Good]

We need some hero journalist to dig some dirt on ishbia, I’m sure there’s lots. It’s our only hope.

Every owner in the league has some dirt on them. You don’t become successful without getting your hands dirty. Being at the top is insane amount of work good or bad. Or maybe I’m wrong, who the hell knows. Lol

[Rebound Mound]

Get rid of all of them.

Ishbia included.

We all wished for Sarver to lose the team. Well, I guess we should have been careful what we asked for. Do we really trust this **** loser to make good decisions on our next GM, organizational approach, etc given his attitude and approach thus far?

Suns should’ve had tryouts for our next owner instead they chose a guy who throws money at anything. Ishbia got too excited for KD and that is going to set us back for foreseeable future. The best we can do is get rid of James Jones and 95% of our roster starting with KD & Book. Ishbia is not going anywhere so getting rid of him is slim to none.

I believe Ishbia did not understand the implications of all this. Or probably he only thought about the bright side of the situation, as thinking that there was any possibility of things going bad and the implications of these consequences. Probably he thought that money can solve everything, but the fact is that any amount of money can solve the situation with Beal or can give us back our picks.

I do not care about the picks, as they imply a long period of waiting for the players to develop, but I do care about the consequences of being unable to move Beal.

Anyway, it all depends in the atmosphere you create as a club, organization and by the coach and the GM. For example, Nurkic is performing quite OK with the Hornets, showing that the problem is US, not the players.

[Saberestar]

Get rid of all of them.

Ishbia included.

We all wished for Sarver to lose the team. Well, I guess we should have been careful what we asked for. Do we really trust this **** loser to make good decisions on our next GM, organizational approach, etc given his attitude and approach thus far?

Suns should’ve had tryouts for our next owner instead they chose a guy who throws money at anything. Ishbia got too excited for KD and that is going to set us back for foreseeable future. The best we can do is get rid of James Jones and 95% of our roster starting with KD & Book. Ishbia is not going anywhere so getting rid of him is slim to none.

I believe Ishbia did not understand the implications of all this. Or probably he only thought about the bright side of the situation, as thinking that there was any possibility of things going bad and the implications of these consequences. Probably he thought that money can solve everything, but the fact is that any amount of money can solve the situation with Beal or can give us back our picks.

I do not care about the picks, as they imply a long period of waiting for the players to develop, but I do care about the consequences of being unable to move Beal.

Anyway, it all depends in the atmosphere you create as a club, organization and by the coach and the GM. For example, Nurkic is performing quite OK with the Hornets, showing that the problem is US, not the players.

Nurkic has been pretty bad on the Hornets.

In 19 games he is playing 17 minutes per game and averages 7.3 points and 6.7 boards.

Shooting a terrible (for a 7 feet C) 46/29/65.

He has regressed so bad that your expectations are superlow for him now and stats like that can be seen as decent for him now.

[King4Day]

Super excited this season is almost over.
Thankfully the real Suns came out and prevented our front office from thinking we can be good if we just make minor tweaks.

I know some people (Ishbia especially) hates the idea of tanking but watching a team with no expectations grow is FAR more fun than this.

Deal Book or KD to get our picks back. Trade the other to get some youth back. Wishful thinking.
At least we traded 2031 to Utah for literally nothing

[Sunlight]

People don't understand that traded picks are worth a lot more NOW than when Durant was acquired. In effect, the picks we gave away have doubled in value. Because the Suns are such a crappy team right now. It shouldn't have been that way. So we're not getting our own picks back. Maybe one, that's it.

[Sunlight]

The only hope is that OKC makes Dallas and we get SGA in exchange for Booker.

[sunsbum]

Read on Twitter

Never forget this.

While this is obvious, who seriously follows these trash twitter accounts?

Only 1.9 million people. So basically people that are interested in seeing basketball content.

This page in particular became so big that someone made a dupe account of them called “NBA Centel”. That page blew up with funny but made-up fictional quotes from players. Became such a big thing that when they got banned from twitter like a month ago, everyone (including your very own official Suns twitter page) tweeted out in support of bringing Centel back to twitter. Wasn’t just Suns, I think like 5-10 other NBA teams all tweeted out in support of them.

So anyway yeah, NBA Central probably the #1 twitter page for basketball content.

just took a peek and was exactly what I expected. TMZ style basketball content. “Sauces”

[bwgood77]

Read on Twitter

Never forget this.

While this is obvious, who seriously follows these trash twitter accounts?

Only 1.9 million people. So basically people that are interested in seeing basketball content.

This page in particular became so big that someone made a dupe account of them called “NBA Centel”. That page blew up with funny but made-up fictional quotes from players. Became such a big thing that when they got banned from twitter like a month ago, everyone (including your very own official Suns twitter page) tweeted out in support of bringing Centel back to twitter. Wasn’t just Suns, I think like 5-10 other NBA teams all tweeted out in support of them.

So anyway yeah, NBA Central probably the #1 twitter page for basketball content.

All this one does is take stuff/sources from other tweets and peddles the rumors or whatever, so you just click on their source and get to this. https://hoopswire.com/suns-mat-ishbia-nba-news-rumors/ without a great source, but the quote obviously makes sense, and that was a year ago and it's gotten worse. But often times there are a bunch of tweets from here and other random places, referring back to the same not very reputable source, so using them to confirm one another doesn't really work.

[bwgood77]

We need some hero journalist to dig some dirt on ishbia, I’m sure there’s lots. It’s our only hope.

I hope Baxter Holmes looks deep into him. He's relentless.

[BobbieL]

I trust you and Slim to make the trades of Booker and Durant the best possible trades

and if you can somehow move O"neale and Allen - all the better!

If someone is traded to DET or SAS then we can make them take Greyson or Royce. Maybe Miami too.

Personally, I'd trade:

- Allen to Orlando for Bidatze. If Orlando doesn't want him, then I'm trading him back to Charlotte for Grant Williams/ CHO 25' 2nd (33rd pick)/ ATL 26' 2nd.
- O'neale to San Antonio for Sochan/ SAS 25' 2nd (38th pick). And if the Spurs won't take him, I'll then trade him to Brooklyn for the 36th pick or to Toronto for Abadji and the 39th pick.

The key thing with trades of Allen and O"Neale -- do you get expirings for the summer of 2027 to be on the Beal timeline
Grant Williams does that.

Now, I am also thinking that Ishbia will come to his senses, trade Booker, ride out Beal to see if he has value in the summer of 2026 before let his contract expire in 2027

That should be the goal of Suns management
1) maximize the returns of Durant and Booker
2) trading O'Neale and Allen for at worst expirings in 2027 if not 2026. Though the Bidatze for Allen is pretty good

So the result will be young players, more draft picks and cap space starting in 2027

[BobbieL]

Super excited this season is almost over.
Thankfully the real Suns came out and prevented our front office from thinking we can be good if we just make minor tweaks.

I know some people (Ishbia especially) hates the idea of tanking but watching a team with no expectations grow is FAR more fun than this.

Deal Book or KD to get our picks back. Trade the other to get some youth back. Wishful thinking.
At least we traded 2031 to Utah for literally nothing

Still cannot believe they traded that pick for three picks of much lesser value
what the hell were they thinking
They almost have to blow it up so that they are not a lottery team in 2031

Ishbia has some soul searching to do

[bwgood77]

Get rid of all of them.

Ishbia included.

We all wished for Sarver to lose the team. Well, I guess we should have been careful what we asked for. Do we really trust this **** loser to make good decisions on our next GM, organizational approach, etc given his attitude and approach thus far?

Suns should’ve had tryouts for our next owner instead they chose a guy who throws money at anything. Ishbia got too excited for KD and that is going to set us back for foreseeable future. The best we can do is get rid of James Jones and 95% of our roster starting with KD & Book. Ishbia is not going anywhere so getting rid of him is slim to none.

I believe Ishbia did not understand the implications of all this. Or probably he only thought about the bright side of the situation, as thinking that there was any possibility of things going bad and the implications of these consequences. Probably he thought that money can solve everything, but the fact is that any amount of money can solve the situation with Beal or can give us back our picks.

I do not care about the picks, as they imply a long period of waiting for the players to develop, but I do care about the consequences of being unable to move Beal.

Anyway, it all depends in the atmosphere you create as a club, organization and by the coach and the GM. For example, Nurkic is performing quite OK with the Hornets, showing that the problem is US, not the players.

Sarver went though things similarly at the same time, selling draft picks, because he didn't care about young players, not taking Deng or Iguodala in the first draft, not extending JJ, etc. Luckily for him he kind of bought a team that Bryan Colangelo as GM, helped bring back Nash when we already had JJ, Amare and Marion, so it was hard not to be good. But then he really screwed it up first with the Shaq trade and hiring Porter and then trying to replace Amare with Warrick, Childress and Turkoglu.

But then he seemed to get more hands off, which was good, but unfortunately we had a crap GM in McD making bad picks. Monty helped and Paul had played under him and liked what they did in the bubble so they kind of lucked into him and suddenly looked good, but I don't think if Sarver isn't forced to sell, he would have done the KD deal, and although some will still say that was a good deal and arguably made us a tad better, I don't know, we were on a roll that season after getting healthy after injuries had decimated our lineup most of the season. But we'd still have Book, Bridges, Cam, whoever we got from Crowder, our 2023 pick, our pick this year, and our picks going forward, or could have packaged them for a player who more fit our team's core ages. Now Ishbia has to go through a learning curve, but it doesn't seem like it will happen quickly.

[BobbieL]

Suns should’ve had tryouts for our next owner instead they chose a guy who throws money at anything. Ishbia got too excited for KD and that is going to set us back for foreseeable future. The best we can do is get rid of James Jones and 95% of our roster starting with KD & Book. Ishbia is not going anywhere so getting rid of him is slim to none.

I believe Ishbia did not understand the implications of all this. Or probably he only thought about the bright side of the situation, as thinking that there was any possibility of things going bad and the implications of these consequences. Probably he thought that money can solve everything, but the fact is that any amount of money can solve the situation with Beal or can give us back our picks.

I do not care about the picks, as they imply a long period of waiting for the players to develop, but I do care about the consequences of being unable to move Beal.

Anyway, it all depends in the atmosphere you create as a club, organization and by the coach and the GM. For example, Nurkic is performing quite OK with the Hornets, showing that the problem is US, not the players.

Sarver went though things similarly at the same time, selling draft picks, because he didn't care about young players, not taking Deng or Iguodala in the first draft, not extending JJ, etc. Luckily for him he kind of bought a team that Bryan Colangelo as GM, helped bring back Nash when we already had JJ, Amare and Marion, so it was hard not to be good. But then he really screwed it up first with the Shaq trade and hiring Porter and then trying to replace Amare with Warrick, Childress and Turkoglu.

But then he seemed to get more hands off, which was good, but unfortunately we had a crap GM in McD making bad picks. Monty helped and Paul had played under him and liked what they did in the bubble so they kind of lucked into him and suddenly looked good, but I don't think if Sarver isn't forced to sell, he would have done the KD deal, and although some will still say that was a good deal and arguably made us a tad better, I don't know, we were on a roll that season after getting healthy after injuries had decimated our lineup most of the season. But we'd still have Book, Bridges, Cam, whoever we got from Crowder, our 2023 pick, our pick this year, and our picks going forward, or could have packaged them for a player who more fit our team's core ages. Now Ishbia has to go through a learning curve, but it doesn't seem like it will happen quickly.

Just hope Ishbia has learned a few things and what he need sto do

[RaisingArizona]

I get the anger but I think it's misdirected. I can't fault an owner spending all his money to try and win it all. Obviously it didn't work out at all but there's hope he will keep spending to right the ship eventually