2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 9

[Flash4thewin]

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This fan wishes he was in Miami backing up Mitchell, instead we sent Jimmy to join him in purgatory with an albatross contract.

Honestly those shoes look pretty good.

[Shewasfly]

It's not my trade idea at all. It's way too rich for my blood. But sadly, as always, the cool thing is to say all Heat players are trash and have no value. Our FO is so superior to all others that no one would be able to get the same value out of our players as us. So it would require all of it for them not to hang up the phone. Yet most of our drafted players, if we had a re-draft, would be chosen top 5 picks.

People would still peddle the nonsense that somehow Mikal Bridges and RJ Barret are more valuable than Herro, for instance. The hate for the Heat is truly strong.

It's mostly just the same poster. The RJ Barrett stuff is just flat out wrong though. He's never been better than Herro. And RJ had the keys to NY and was being groomed for a minute and never had a season as good as Tyler is having this year. Mikal is a 4th option at best, but he does bring something special defensively (at least he used to, kinda seems like he fell off there, but I'm not paying attention enough to that team). But yes, Tyler is better than him too.

I agree with you though. For whatever reason a lot of our players get downplayed a lot, not just by Heat fans but by outsiders too. Tyler is having a top 10-15 player type season and people still act like he's not an asset. Bam has turned his season around too, but even he isn't protected anymore. I think it has to do with how much of a surprise that 2020 Heat team was. It's like since then, no matter how often we repeat the success, people overlook it and don't attribute it to talent

Tyler I get kind of, because its rare for a player of his type to make this kind of leap. You know what it reminds me of, older posters will get this comparison, but those that aren't quite old enough will question it, but... Chauncey Billups. Now many only know about him post Pistons and how he's Mr Big Shot, super reliable, great team player, even helped reel Carmelo in a bit in Denver. But his first few seasons in the league, he was seen as a disappointing score first chucker who didn't really help his team. Sound familiar?

I'm not at all saying Tyler's game resembles Chauncey's, obviously Chauncey was much more of a traditional point guard and Tyler is a combo guard with less of a handle. But both are guys who just seemed to have it click for them mentally after around 5 years in the league.

Or to put it another way, Tyler used to be a guy who was on the irrational confidence all star squad, who you'd say "no no no... yes!" every other time he took a shot. But now I feel really comfortable with him making decisions, even though I do think he's asked to do it a bit too much on this current squad.

As for Bam, I think he's genuinely underrated by both general NBA fans and Heat fans at this point, just for his defensive presence alone which is easily DPOY caliber but never seems to get respected as such. Offensively I think there were growing pains with him this year, but I saw potential with him as far back as his rookie year, he's always had this in him. If anything maybe some are disappointed he never grew into a dominant 25 ppg guy, but I'm still really happy with what he is.

I actually agree with you on Tyler. He's a "late bloomer" so to speak, and hasn't looked like a top player that can contribute on a winning team until this year. I think the score first chucker stuff is overblown though. He was a young player and he was given the role to be a scorer off the bench and did so. He won sixth man of the year doing it. I think people on this board are just swayed by the repetition of the poster whose agenda we should all be aware of by now.

On Bam, I consider Bam a late bloomer as well. I think in previous years he's actually been OVERRATED for what you could actually count on him to do on the court besides defense. You can't be defense only and a max player, sorry not sorry. Its why I've generally championed selling high on him. But this is the first year he's looked to have any real skill on offense, and that has come on the back half of the season because he didn't look good to start the season either (I think there's a great argument to write it off as fatigue though). I think now as long as he continues to look like a pro on that end, his rating has actually caught up to what it has been before. Unfortunately though, because his start was so ****, and the expectations have finally risen on him with Jimmy gone, non-Heat fans and media have started to note his flaws in ways they didn't pay attention to before.

So yeah, imo, they are both "late bloomers". Part of why we were never able to get over the hump is because of their timeline for development. This version of Bam and Tyler along with Jimmy has a great chance against the Lakers in 2020 and a much better one against Denver a few years later (though the Jokic problem would still persist).

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam was defense only while also averaging 20 points and 4-5 assists, make it make sense

Must just be my agenda.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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True tbh.

[Hallstar]

Once the 10 game losing streak happened, we kinda got left in no man's land. I def feel like this is the year to say F it and just see what the draft or trade market has. We're not gonna get a better assets than Wiggins and having two draft picks? Playoffs just hurt out future, we have a reasonable assessment of what we have and Ware needs his Summer to take a next leap, it's not happening within a week.

[SoFlaKingReal]

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True tbh.

They don't want to owe those two unprotected firsts. Making the playoffs to avoid that has been the agenda all season. Whether that was eyeing pieces that can "help" now in the Butler trade or playing guys through injury late in season. Butler asking out halfway through his extension was an absolute blow to this front office, thus the resistance in trading him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Bump

Looking at what our potential offer for Durant would look like and how it could potentially stack against the asset filled Texas teams. Right off the bat need to match Durant’s 54.7 million and Suns can’t aggregate players

Rozier 26
Wiggins 28

For

Durant 54

These two contracts above are the easiest match near dollar for dollar. Have to get Wiggins off the books to compensate for Durant’s extension. Separate deal would have to be consummated in order to get Suns what could possibly be Jovic and JJJ.

Jovic 4.4
JJJ 3.8

for

Cody Martin 8.6

These two contracts equal 8.2 million. That gets them to Cody Martin’s expiring 8.6 million contract. Can possibly get some 2nd round picks in this separate deal as too not look too fishy with the league even though they will know we are loopholing the aggregate rules. Still nothing stoping us rule wise from making separate deal.

Now comes the pick compensation. Suns will want at very least the GSW pick this year and our 2030 pick will be of huge value to them since they flipped their pick with Utah to stock pile some earlier picks. Not sure if an extra pick in 2032 will need to be included.

Final sum parts of deal

Miami deals

Rozier
Wiggins
Jovic
JJJ
2025 GSW pick
2027 pick swap
2029 pick swap
2030 unprotected pick

to Suns for

Durant
Cody Martin
Future 2nd rd picks


Looking at it on paper it seems like a very competitive offer. On another end it looks like a bit of an overpay as well. Just wanted to put it out there.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Have to be better in the biggest moments. Bam is the 4th best/efficient scorer in the league in the clutch of players with 40 or more attempts but he struggles at the line. Tyler has been the worst clutch player in the league this season

[al bondiga]

spo, herro, bam pre-playin "rest" mandatory!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

spo, herro, bam pre-playin "rest" mandatory!!

If you’re in the rotation you should sit these last 2 games. There is no justifiable reason to play the following players the last 2 games to try and win:

Bam
Herro
Ware
Wiggins
Davion
Burks
Duncan
Pelle
Anderson
Highsmith

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Outside of Jimmy they don’t want to talk about us at all this season until now lol

[dshearn]

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True tbh.

so very true...

[wade44]

If we’re going to have ANY chance of winning the play in, benching Duncan is a must. The ONLY defensive liability worth playing going forward is Tyler. Even with this loss, Heat can still squeak in…

[dshearn]

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Looking at what our potential offer for Durant would look like and how it could potentially stack against the asset filled Texas teams. Right off the bat need to match Durant’s 54.7 million and Suns can’t aggregate players

Rozier 26
Wiggins 28

For

Durant 54

These two contracts above are the easiest match near dollar for dollar. Have to get Wiggins off the books to compensate for Durant’s extension. Separate deal would have to be consummated in order to get Suns what could possibly be Jovic and JJJ.

Jovic 4.4
JJJ 3.8

for

Cody Martin 8.6

These two contracts equal 8.2 million. That gets them to Cody Martin’s expiring 8.6 million contract. Can possibly get some 2nd round picks in this separate deal as too not look too fishy with the league even though they will know we are loopholing the aggregate rules. Still nothing stoping us rule wise from making separate deal.

Now comes the pick compensation. Suns will want at very least the GSW pick this year and our 2030 pick will be of huge value to them since they flipped their pick with Utah to stock pile some earlier picks. Not sure if an extra pick in 2032 will need to be included.

Final sum parts of deal

Miami deals

Rozier
Wiggins
Jovic
JJJ
2025 GSW pick
2027 pick swap
2029 pick swap
2030 unprotected pick

to Suns for

Durant
Cody Martin
Future 2nd rd picks


Looking at it on paper it seems like a very competitive offer. On another end it looks like a bit of an overpay as well. Just wanted to put it out there.

It is the wrong Martin...is there like....umm...some way for us to pull a Parent Trap and just have the right Martin play in place of Cody?


and...on a serious note....is there any way to make the money work and keep Jovic? I get that time might be running out to see if Jovic can ever live up to what many of us fans wanted him to be...but is there any way to keep him and take one more run at turning him into that point forward 3 or 4?


Maybe we have already seen the best of Jovic, and his best value is as trade fodder, and the last thing we want is Jovic under a new contract...but..I can't help but want to see the guy as a 3 doing 3 things with Bam and Ware.

[DayofMourning]

If we’re going to have any chance of winning the play in, benching Duncan is a must. The ONLY defensive liability worth playing going forward is Tyler. Even with this loss, Heat can still squeak in…

Im with you JF. Ive advocated Tyler being our only defensive liability.

With the way we play, we cant have multiple dudes out there being targeted. No Rozier. No Duncan.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Heard through the grapevine we could’ve had Trae but Spo put an end to it. I think he would’ve done wonders for our guys

[dshearn]

If we’re going to have any chance of winning the play in, benching Duncan is a must. The ONLY defensive liability worth playing going forward is Tyler. Even with this loss, Heat can still squeak in…

Im with you JF. Ive advocated Tyler being our only defensive liability.

With the way we play, we cant have multiple dudes out there being targeted. No Rozier. No Duncan.

With any luck, we have off-season moves that make it so Duncan can't crack the line up next year.


In a perfect world...that new talent pushes Highsmith really hard as well.

I got alot of love in my heart for Duncan...but when you watch old Heat games with Duncan exploding around DHOs he looks so much faster than the current version. I would love to keep the dude around if he was dirt cheap...but he is not.

[greg4012]

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Looking at what our potential offer for Durant would look like and how it could potentially stack against the asset filled Texas teams. Right off the bat need to match Durant’s 54.7 million and Suns can’t aggregate players

Rozier 26
Wiggins 28

For

Durant 54

These two contracts above are the easiest match near dollar for dollar. Have to get Wiggins off the books to compensate for Durant’s extension. Separate deal would have to be consummated in order to get Suns what could possibly be Jovic and JJJ.

Jovic 4.4
JJJ 3.8

for

Cody Martin 8.6

These two contracts equal 8.2 million. That gets them to Cody Martin’s expiring 8.6 million contract. Can possibly get some 2nd round picks in this separate deal as too not look too fishy with the league even though they will know we are loopholing the aggregate rules. Still nothing stoping us rule wise from making separate deal.

Now comes the pick compensation. Suns will want at very least the GSW pick this year and our 2030 pick will be of huge value to them since they flipped their pick with Utah to stock pile some earlier picks. Not sure if an extra pick in 2032 will need to be included.

Final sum parts of deal

Miami deals

Rozier
Wiggins
Jovic
JJJ
2025 GSW pick
2027 pick swap
2029 pick swap
2030 unprotected pick

to Suns for

Durant
Cody Martin
Future 2nd rd picks


Looking at it on paper it seems like a very competitive offer. On another end it looks like a bit of an overpay as well. Just wanted to put it out there.

It is the wrong Martin...is there like....umm...some way for us to pull a Parent Trap and just have the right Martin play in place of Cody?


and...on a serious note....is there any way to make the money work and keep Jovic? I get that time might be running out to see if Jovic can ever live up to what many of us fans wanted him to be...but is there any way to keep him and take one more run at turning him into that point forward 3 or 4?


Maybe we have already seen the best of Jovic, and his best value is as trade fodder, and the last thing we want is Jovic under a new contract...but..I can't help but want to see the guy as a 3 doing 3 things with Bam and Ware.

We've seen Jovic provide added value in multiple functions as a forward. For trades to happen you usually have to give up something of value, not just the players/assets you're ready to throw away.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We’re all hands on deck, not resting anyone the last 2 games is the way I see this lol

[al bondiga]

If we’re going to have any chance of winning the play in, benching Duncan is a must. The ONLY defensive liability worth playing going forward is Tyler. Even with this loss, Heat can still squeak in…

Im with you JF. Ive advocated Tyler being our only defensive liability.

With the way we play, we cant have multiple dudes out there being targeted. No Rozier. No Duncan.

Think it doesn't matter who we bench or play...
What matters for us mostly in the playin is Decision Making and taking

spo, herro, bam Rest now for over four days!!

Reassess your ways guys!!!!