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Re: PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs 

Post#61 » by Butch718 » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:16 am

djsunyc wrote:i understand yall need someone to blame but thibs has this squad overachieving. i know accepting that means accepting the squad aint good enough and thats tougher to fix.


They aren’t overachieving this season.

They overachieved last year and the year before that.

They have severely underperformed this year. You can count more than a handful of losses due to Thibs poor defensive and offensive schemes, awful substitution patterns and lack of creativity drawing up plays. He has lost this team, as they are not responding to him anymore. The old MO of past Thibs teams was that they were going to play hard from start to finish. This year’s squad is just lacking in every way possible. The players look disinterested, they lack focus, and they aren’t ready prepared. The lack or preparedness falls directly on him.
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Re: PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs 

Post#62 » by Galvationknicks » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:17 am

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Re: PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs 

Post#63 » by mpharris36 » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:17 am

piston going to run Cade screens with Beasley or Hardaway....are we going to run the same **** coverage?

like its game 81...how are they not prepared...its one screen.
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Re: PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs 

Post#64 » by Galvationknicks » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:17 am

mpharris36 wrote:piston going to run Cade screens with Beasley or Hardaway....are we going to run the same **** coverage?

like its game 81...how are they not prepared...its one screen.

Everyteam does this to us
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Post#65 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:17 am

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mpharris36 wrote:you just saw it coming...that dumbazz lineup that started the 4th with hart with the bench and Cam Payne being the #1 option.

To end of game execution...still don't know how to defense a simple ball screen where we give up open 3 after open 3.

and then on offense...its just brunson dribble the ball for 20 seconds and take a difficult shot.

yea it was just like the pistons game earlier in the year where they ran the same exact action 2 or 3 plays in a row and got wide open 3 every time to beasley

team is desperate to avoid brunson having to switch - let him get cooked and give up a 2 instead of a wide open 3 but that is thibs philosophy. he will rather give up a wide open 3 that a contested 2 in the mid range against an outmatched defender.


lets even say that is philosphy...just avoid brunson on ball....then how does the team not know where to rotate.

The defensive scheme simply can't be one pass away open 3...either someone has to rotate and then they have to scramble to get to another guy....but that can't be the defense, can it?

Because at that point you are better off just brusnon on ball and forcing them to take a shot over him.



Struss and Wade were getting wade open shots while the whole goddamn team was collapsing on Garland drives too. Wade was missing, but Struss wasn't.
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Post#66 » by Maury2423 » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:19 am

We better be seeing OG on Cade, Brunson on THJ, Hart on Aurar, Bridges on Tobias, KAT and Duran

If I see Mikal on Cade, I’m going crazy
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Re: PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs 

Post#67 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:19 am

djsunyc wrote:i understand yall need someone to blame but thibs has this squad overachieving. i know accepting that means accepting the squad aint good enough and thats tougher to fix.



The team is 27th in the league in threes attempted per game, our two best players don't even play a two man game with one another. This team has underachieved.
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Re: PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs 

Post#68 » by Wildcat » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:19 am

Last year's team was better.
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Post#69 » by K_ick_God » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:19 am

Shamet is probably our 2nd best player
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Re: PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs 

Post#71 » by Jay10 » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:19 am

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mpharris36 wrote:piston going to run Cade screens with Beasley or Hardaway....are we going to run the same **** coverage?

like its game 81...how are they not prepared...its one screen.

Everyteam does this to us


Tatum and Kristaps have been running this play since Kristaps was traded to the Celtics, and Thibodeau has yet to stop it.
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Post#72 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:20 am

Maury2423 wrote:We better be seeing OG on Cade, Brunson on THJ, Hart on Aurar, Bridges on Tobias, KAT and Duran

If I see Mikal on Cade, I’m going crazy




The coach is a moron, realistically you play the two bigs against this team and put Mitch on Ausar because he cannot shoot. That takes away a lot of the potential dribble penetration by Cade because Mitch can simply leave him and roam around, like everyone does to us with Hart on the floor.
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Post#73 » by mpharris36 » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:21 am

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kNicksGmen wrote:yea it was just like the pistons game earlier in the year where they ran the same exact action 2 or 3 plays in a row and got wide open 3 every time to beasley

team is desperate to avoid brunson having to switch - let him get cooked and give up a 2 instead of a wide open 3 but that is thibs philosophy. he will rather give up a wide open 3 that a contested 2 in the mid range against an outmatched defender.


lets even say that is philosphy...just avoid brunson on ball....then how does the team not know where to rotate.

The defensive scheme simply can't be one pass away open 3...either someone has to rotate and then they have to scramble to get to another guy....but that can't be the defense, can it?

Because at that point you are better off just brusnon on ball and forcing them to take a shot over him.



Struss and Wade were getting wade open shots while the whole goddamn team was collapsing on Garland drives too. Wade was missing, but Struss wasn't.


but who is at fault...so clearly they don't want to switch otherwise mikal would just go to strus

so mikal is recovering to Garland...Brunson is on the other side of the ball so he can't get back to strus...OG didn't even move on either Strus open 3? I would assume OG has to rotate to strus...then hart or Mitch have to rotate to the corner in wade then brunson has to recover a go to mobley I guess?

they just seem so confused...its the end of the year...even if I don't believe in the defensive scheme...why do they look like they don't know where to rotate or when to switch this late in the year?
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Post#74 » by kNicksGmen » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:21 am

Maury2423 wrote:We better be seeing OG on Cade, Brunson on THJ, Hart on Aurar, Bridges on Tobias, KAT and Duran

If I see Mikal on Cade, I’m going crazy

doesn't matter as they will screen brunson with THJ in that scenario and we will double/hard hedge and give up wide open 3s. either way it's a problem
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Post#75 » by Galvationknicks » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:21 am

Wish we had Atkinson we need new blood as a coach. It's seems like every team has a thibs playbook. And no to mike Malone. We don't need a young thibs
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Re: PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs 

Post#76 » by Zenzibar » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:21 am

I put this loss squarly on Thibs.

In the last three games we've had good leads on everyone; Boston, Pistons and Cavs. Of course, you now have Brunson who can make big shots but you have to keep OG playing at a high level. It's on you Thibs to draw plays, where's the D'Antoni playbook?

You call time and get Brunson free to get OG loose. period. What's going to happen when KAT's back in? OG is going to get 5 shots? Mikal?. Come on.

Larry Brown's Pistons would score 17 points each and beat you with defense. Isn't that Thibs's forte? This is frustrating as fk. :banghead:

WHy is it that the playoffs are here, we had a fifty wins and I'm more pissed now than ever this season? If Thibs can't get this team to distribute the wealth on a consistant basis we may have to look into it. Too much talent and not enough consistant play on both ends of the floor.
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Re: PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs 

Post#77 » by Iron Mantis » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:22 am

Folks blame KAT for all the Knicks' woes but without him the "full strength" Knicks have an epic meltdown and got embarrassed at the Garden by a Cavs team missing Donovan Mitchell and Hunter?

Who is really to blame?

Like we've been saying all season: it's time to take a hard look at the coach.....
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Post#79 » by FrozenEnvelope » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:22 am

Glad nobody got hurt! Playoffs are going to show us a lot about this year's team. Clearly there are a lot of question marks. Excited and apprehensive to see how this plays out.
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Re: PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs 

Post#80 » by mpharris36 » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:23 am

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yeah the last tweet is funny....so many teams just let hart or OG go to the action and let Brunson switch off.

he made no adjustment to put brunson on wade who wasn't hitting anything...because at least if you giving up an open 3 give it up to the worse 3 pt shooter.

no variety or adjustments.
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