T&T Games General Drafting/Off-Topic Thread

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Re: T&T Games General Drafting/Off-Topic Thread 

Post#281 » by durantbird » Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:02 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:For my next draft, I'd like to try doing a timed poll to decide playoff matchups. Voters would still be able to comment in the thread if they want, but it wouldn't be a requirement. After 24 hours, the person with the most votes wins, and maybe we use Chat-GPT if there's a tie.

It's clear that a lot of why people don't engage with the voting process are much as wack stated: it can be difficult and time-consuming to not only decide on a winner, but also put your forth reasoning in a way that makes sense and covers all the important points. And even then, it still creates contention if people think you haven't given their team a fair shake. In my experience, when someone is dead set that they should win, they generally aren't interested in reading an explanation they completely disagree with; in fact it often just leads to more futile back-and-forth.

Previously I was concerned that we wouldn't be able to see who was voting, but that this point I'm not sure how much that matters. If anything, having more voters, even anonymous ones, should create a more balanced view compared to just having the same 5 or 6 people who vote on every matchup.

I'm agree this would be a good method. At least worth a try. Only possible concern is I hope we don't get situations like someone voting for his own team, while the other doesn't engage in the vote itself. That could be a tiebreaker in a matchup that should otherwise be tied. A point worth considering.

In a Facebook group for example it's not an issue because votes aren't anonymous. In realgm it is.
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Post#282 » by migya » Thu Jan 2, 2025 4:27 am

The only way these games will get back to and have any real merit is to have independent voters and not first to three or four votes but, depending on the number of voters and interest, at least half the votes wins. More time is needed for votes, not 24hrs, just not enough time for any merit.
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Post#283 » by durantbird » Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:53 pm

I'm taking a break next game probably so don't count on me for running the next one lol
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Post#284 » by durantbird » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:23 am

This year's version of Ja Morant might be the first time he's going to be value for money if he keeps the current pace. 15.6 fga with Memphis also has nice team success. He'll still struggle to stand out relatively to other historical guys with better value for money. But we still might get to see him more in this price.
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Re: T&T Games General Drafting/Off-Topic Thread 

Post#285 » by Fadeaway_J » Fri Jan 31, 2025 12:54 pm

durantbird wrote:This year's version of Ja Morant might be the first time he's going to be value for money if he keeps the current pace. 15.6 fga with Memphis also has nice team success. He'll still struggle to stand out relatively to other historical guys with better value for money. But we still might get to see him more in this price.

Only question is will he play enough games?
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Re: T&T Games General Drafting/Off-Topic Thread 

Post#286 » by Fadeaway_J » Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:34 pm

What's the verdict on the polling system thus far?
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Post#287 » by wackbone » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:06 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:What's the verdict on the polling system thus far?

I definitely prefer it as a participant, I think it encourages more votes (we have 9 or 10 in almost all matchups as opposed to often 4-6 before) which in principle is always a positive, and I think it's a positive for those running the games so you don't have to track down voters and a matchup is delayed for days. And AI seems to do it's part to be the tiebreaker vote when needed - it's not perfect but I think it's better than the matchup dragging on and people getting agitated waiting for the next round to start.
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Post#288 » by durantbird » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:08 pm

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Fadeaway_J wrote:What's the verdict on the polling system thus far?

I definitely prefer it as a participant, I think it encourages more votes (we have 9 or 10 in almost all matchups as opposed to often 4-6 before) which in principle is always a positive, and I think it's a positive for those running the games so you don't have to track down voters and a matchup is delayed for days. And AI seems to do it's part to be the tiebreaker vote when needed - it's not perfect but I think it's better than the matchup dragging on and people getting agitated waiting for the next round to start.

I don't mind it, though I liked the extra input from votes with obligatory reasoning.

Regarding AI votes I think it's great
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Re: T&T Games General Drafting/Off-Topic Thread 

Post#289 » by Fadeaway_J » Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:53 pm

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wackbone wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:What's the verdict on the polling system thus far?

I definitely prefer it as a participant, I think it encourages more votes (we have 9 or 10 in almost all matchups as opposed to often 4-6 before) which in principle is always a positive, and I think it's a positive for those running the games so you don't have to track down voters and a matchup is delayed for days. And AI seems to do it's part to be the tiebreaker vote when needed - it's not perfect but I think it's better than the matchup dragging on and people getting agitated waiting for the next round to start.

I don't mind it, though I liked the extra input from votes with obligatory reasoning.

Regarding AI votes I think it's great

The limited discussion is the only downside to me, although you could argue that was often the case anyway. It's definitely an easier format to run and far less contentious.
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Re: T&T Games General Drafting/Off-Topic Thread 

Post#290 » by Snakebites » Fri Jan 31, 2025 9:46 pm

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wackbone wrote:I definitely prefer it as a participant, I think it encourages more votes (we have 9 or 10 in almost all matchups as opposed to often 4-6 before) which in principle is always a positive, and I think it's a positive for those running the games so you don't have to track down voters and a matchup is delayed for days. And AI seems to do it's part to be the tiebreaker vote when needed - it's not perfect but I think it's better than the matchup dragging on and people getting agitated waiting for the next round to start.

I don't mind it, though I liked the extra input from votes with obligatory reasoning.

Regarding AI votes I think it's great

The limited discussion is the only downside to me, although you could argue that was often the case anyway. It's definitely an easier format to run and far less contentious.

I’ve learned a lot over the years from votes- it’s informative to know WHY you lost.
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Re: T&T Games General Drafting/Off-Topic Thread 

Post#291 » by Fadeaway_J » Fri Jan 31, 2025 10:01 pm

Snakebites wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
durantbird wrote:I don't mind it, though I liked the extra input from votes with obligatory reasoning.

Regarding AI votes I think it's great

The limited discussion is the only downside to me, although you could argue that was often the case anyway. It's definitely an easier format to run and far less contentious.

I’ve learned a lot over the years from votes- it’s informative to know WHY you lost.

I guess, although I frequently found myself disagreeing pretty vehemently with the reasoning and thinking I wouldn't have changed what I did regardless.

What that said, I would like to see a bit more discussion even if it doesn't lead to an actual vote.
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Re: T&T Games General Drafting/Off-Topic Thread 

Post#292 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Apr 20, 2025 12:51 pm

We've quietly relapsed to the days when we were struggling to get 10 people for a draft...
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Post#293 » by durantbird » Mon Jun 9, 2025 5:22 pm

After several years on the forum, some parts of your online personalities just stick - so I figured… why not capture them with some lovingly exaggerated portraits?

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Re: T&T Games General Drafting/Off-Topic Thread 

Post#294 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Jun 9, 2025 5:40 pm

durantbird wrote:After several years on the forum, some parts of your online personalities just stick - so I figured… why not capture them with some lovingly exaggerated portraits?

All in good fun - but this is how I see you guys :lol: No shade, all love.

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Post#295 » by MadNESS » Mon Jun 9, 2025 5:49 pm

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Post#296 » by Laimbeer » Mon Jun 9, 2025 5:50 pm

Good stuff. I think I lead the forum in invalid picks by a long shot. :lol:
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Post#297 » by Snakebites » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:03 pm

DB missed a real opportunity to call me out for always bewailing my draft position.

The picking at the very end of my clock thing is well observed though.
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Post#298 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Jun 10, 2025 6:36 pm

Nice graphics! I swear there was a time when I started I put a lot of effort into write ups :lol:

I'll always appreciate this forum for having such distinct personalities and behaviour. To get on my soapbox, in the heyday of message boards like the 2000s and early 2010s they all used to be like this, even without the competition aspect people had such obvious patterns, identities, taste/way of speaking, etc. Whereas if you go onto the most popular modern message board, Reddit, it doesn't feel like that at all. I think they may not like individuals that much there or something. The rest of RealGM is somewhat of a window to the past even though I think it had more character and energy in previous era, but T&T draft board the feeling jumps out to me the most of anywhere nowadays of being able to sense people's "style".
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Re: T&T Games General Drafting/Off-Topic Thread 

Post#299 » by hoopsfan777 » Sun Jun 15, 2025 2:50 am

Can we get a GMAT or OaT game going?
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Re: T&T Games General Drafting/Off-Topic Thread 

Post#300 » by durantbird » Sun Jun 15, 2025 7:15 pm

If any of you are interested, I opened a mock draft signups in the T&T board. Should be fun, will be glad to see you guys there

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