PG: that sucked

[whocares1]

i'm just going to say it... brunson isn't a great PnR player... other than using it to create an advantage for himself. he does not have good vision or what the great passers have - anticipation/touch to run a good PnR. Part of it is his size part of it is he's always been a score 1st guy.

Tell it on the mountain.

Disagree bc it literally was working in the beginning of the season. Jokic is just on another level as a playmaker over Towns.

[snadler]

When last season ended and yes was probably cut short do to injuries but the major concern was this team became too reliant on Brunson in the playoffs when the game slows down, more half court sets and lower scoring games. So what does Leon do, he trades for KAT and center that can shoot the 3, good passer etc, adds bridges solid defender, great mover without the basketball all for the purpose so when it get’s to playoff time, they don’t have to rely on Brunson so much which is why many of us were excited about the moves at the time. Forget the regular season, but those moves were made for NOW, and in 2 games it’s back to relying on brunson for everything. Sure it’s easy to blame the coach who without question deserves blame, but keep in mind these players are not robots, they aren’t college players, very and I mean very rarely does the coach call a play on every possession, it’s generally free style, you try to exploit mismatches and veteran players like the knicks don’t/shouldn’t need a coach to tell you or run plays. The players are just not executing whatever they are trying to do, they are differing to Brunson too much, allowing him to fall back into the patterns from season past. Sometimes the players need to be better and more assertive and the point guard(captain) needs to do a MUCH better job of getting players involved not just himself

[The KnicksFix]

I dont care what anyone thinks about Thibs
He is directly why we lose these games, we don’t have an offensive scheme, and if the first option (Brunson) blows up, Thibs has no second option

There’s no creativity with Thibs, and his stubbornness is why he should be fired. He is an atrocious coach, and seriously wonder how much we can achieve if we had a competent coach.

[The KnicksFix]

When last season ended and yes was probably cut short do to injuries but the major concern was this team became too reliant on Brunson in the playoffs when the game slows down, more half court sets and lower scoring games. So what does Leon do, he trades for KAT and center that can shoot the 3, good passer etc, adds bridges solid defender, great mover without the basketball all for the purpose so when it get’s to playoff time, they don’t have to rely on Brunson so much which is why many of us were excited about the moves at the time. Forget the regular season, but those moves were made for NOW, and in 2 games it’s back to relying on brunson for everything. Sure it’s easy to blame the coach who without question deserves blame, but keep in mind these players are not robots, they aren’t college players, very and I mean very rarely does the coach call a play on every possession, it’s generally free style, you try to exploit mismatches and veteran players like the knicks don’t/shouldn’t need a coach to tell you or run plays. The players are just not executing whatever they are trying to do, they are differing to Brunson too much, allowing him to fall back into the patterns from season past. Sometimes the players need to be better and more assertive and the point guard(captain) needs to do a MUCH better job of getting players involved not just himself

The offensive sets are ALL centered around Brunson, thats the problem
He is the first and second option in these sets,
90% of our plays, Brunson dribbles the ball up, and we get into our offensive action with 11 seconds to go, with the ball in HIS hands
You have KAT and Mikal, yet when was the last time you saw offensive sets catered around them?

[Najeem27]

We actually thrive when we push the pace and run. That’s where Hart can drive and KAT can rack up assists.

Problem is JB slows it down and then we’re screwed with Hart at the 3pt line and KAT doubled in the paint

[The KnicksFix]

We actually thrive when we push the pace and run. That’s where Hart can drive and KAT can rack up assists.

Problem is JB slows it down and then we’re screwed with Hart at the 3pt line and KAT doubled in the paint

So why not change that, have kat at the 3 point line and Mitch in the paint
But this idiot will never bench hart

[snadler]

When last season ended and yes was probably cut short do to injuries but the major concern was this team became too reliant on Brunson in the playoffs when the game slows down, more half court sets and lower scoring games. So what does Leon do, he trades for KAT and center that can shoot the 3, good passer etc, adds bridges solid defender, great mover without the basketball all for the purpose so when it get’s to playoff time, they don’t have to rely on Brunson so much which is why many of us were excited about the moves at the time. Forget the regular season, but those moves were made for NOW, and in 2 games it’s back to relying on brunson for everything. Sure it’s easy to blame the coach who without question deserves blame, but keep in mind these players are not robots, they aren’t college players, very and I mean very rarely does the coach call a play on every possession, it’s generally free style, you try to exploit mismatches and veteran players like the knicks don’t/shouldn’t need a coach to tell you or run plays. The players are just not executing whatever they are trying to do, they are differing to Brunson too much, allowing him to fall back into the patterns from season past. Sometimes the players need to be better and more assertive and the point guard(captain) needs to do a MUCH better job of getting players involved not just himself

The offensive sets are ALL centered around Brunson, thats the problem
He is the first and second option in these sets,
90% of our plays, Brunson dribbles the ball up, and we get into our offensive action with 11 seconds to go, with the ball in HIS hands
You have KAT and Mikal, yet when was the last time you saw offensive sets catered around them?

I don’t disagree, but again what we don’t know is if all these sets are called by the coach or called by the point guard. Something tells me it’s a combination of both, which is why I said whether be on the floor, in the huddle bridges and KaT must be more assertive, demand the ball, force it down their throats. See it all the time, but this team has too many nice guys, they trust JB so much they often times forget about themselves

[kNicksGmen]

i'm just going to say it... brunson isn't a great PnR player... other than using it to create an advantage for himself. he does not have good vision or what the great passers have - anticipation/touch to run a good PnR. Part of it is his size part of it is he's always been a score 1st guy.

Tell it on the mountain.

Disagree bc it literally was working in the beginning of the season. Jokic is just on another level as a playmaker over Towns.

early in the season teams weren't guarding hart with the center... only a few good teams did (boston did game 1, rockets early on etc) and then teams started copying it.

i do agree earlier in the season though brunson was doing a much better job distributing. even then i saw him constantly miss Kat on pops though. it's like he has tunnel vision on the drive.

[Najeem27]

We actually thrive when we push the pace and run. That’s where Hart can drive and KAT can rack up assists.

Problem is JB slows it down and then we’re screwed with Hart at the 3pt line and KAT doubled in the paint

So why not change that, have kat at the 3 point line and Mitch in the paint
But this idiot will never bench hart

Then he would have to use the bench so that’s deff not happening with thibs lol

[snadler]

Knicks were getting crushed on the boards tonight, who was the only Knick actually fighting for loose balls and rebounds? Yep, josh hart..thibs plays him ridiculous minutes because of the major flaws that many of the other players have, if Bridges and OG weren’t such horrible rebounders than Hart probably can play less minutes.

[The KnicksFix]

When last season ended and yes was probably cut short do to injuries but the major concern was this team became too reliant on Brunson in the playoffs when the game slows down, more half court sets and lower scoring games. So what does Leon do, he trades for KAT and center that can shoot the 3, good passer etc, adds bridges solid defender, great mover without the basketball all for the purpose so when it get’s to playoff time, they don’t have to rely on Brunson so much which is why many of us were excited about the moves at the time. Forget the regular season, but those moves were made for NOW, and in 2 games it’s back to relying on brunson for everything. Sure it’s easy to blame the coach who without question deserves blame, but keep in mind these players are not robots, they aren’t college players, very and I mean very rarely does the coach call a play on every possession, it’s generally free style, you try to exploit mismatches and veteran players like the knicks don’t/shouldn’t need a coach to tell you or run plays. The players are just not executing whatever they are trying to do, they are differing to Brunson too much, allowing him to fall back into the patterns from season past. Sometimes the players need to be better and more assertive and the point guard(captain) needs to do a MUCH better job of getting players involved not just himself

The offensive sets are ALL centered around Brunson, thats the problem
He is the first and second option in these sets,
90% of our plays, Brunson dribbles the ball up, and we get into our offensive action with 11 seconds to go, with the ball in HIS hands
You have KAT and Mikal, yet when was the last time you saw offensive sets catered around them?

I don’t disagree, but again what we don’t know is if all these sets are called by the coach or called by the point guard. Something tells me it’s a combination of both, which is why I said whether be on the floor, in the huddle bridges and KaT must be more assertive, demand the ball, force it down their throats. See it all the time, but this team has too many nice guys, they trust JB so much they often times forget about themselves

But that’s why you get a coach who WILL call out the plays and force the ball to move
Remember when Mark Jackson coached defense but had no clue offensively? So the dubs went and got a coach who’s could elevate that? And he did.
That’s what makes a good coach that important

[Najeem27]

I know Shamet would’ve hit those 3’s MB missed. Our best shooter that’s on fire rn remained on the bench when we couldn’t buy a bucket

[prophet_of_rage]

Where is Knicksgadfly. Seems more and more people are seeing the flaw in JB's game.

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[Butch718]

We actually thrive when we push the pace and run. That’s where Hart can drive and KAT can rack up assists.

Problem is JB slows it down and then we’re screwed with Hart at the 3pt line and KAT doubled in the paint

This all falls on Thibs for not stressing a faster pace on offense and by continuing to play Hart and Kat heavy minutes together.

Teams are basically playing 5 on 4 when Hart is on the floor, which allows opposing teams wings to defend Kat and allows them to put their center or worst defender on Hart.

This all falls on Thibs for forcing something that hasn’t worked the entire season. It’s so easy to game plan against this team, and honestly I am sick and tired of pointing out something that is so obviously easy to adjust to with just a few tweaks of the lineup.

[snadler]

The offensive sets are ALL centered around Brunson, thats the problem
He is the first and second option in these sets,
90% of our plays, Brunson dribbles the ball up, and we get into our offensive action with 11 seconds to go, with the ball in HIS hands
You have KAT and Mikal, yet when was the last time you saw offensive sets catered around them?

I don’t disagree, but again what we don’t know is if all these sets are called by the coach or called by the point guard. Something tells me it’s a combination of both, which is why I said whether be on the floor, in the huddle bridges and KaT must be more assertive, demand the ball, force it down their throats. See it all the time, but this team has too many nice guys, they trust JB so much they often times forget about themselves

But that’s why you get a coach who WILL call out the plays and force the ball to move
Remember when Mark Jackson coached defense but had no clue offensively? So the dubs went and got a coach who’s could elevate that? And he did.
That’s what makes a good coach that important

That’s just not how it works in the nba..you think the pistons and JB call a play every possession..stop with that, he lets his pg decide, does he attack or does he look to dish based on the defense. It’s just not the nba this world you are living in

[Najeem27]

Mitch is such a waste of size we have to get rid of him this summer. I just want to know what exactly are they training him in practice??

He should only be doing rebounding, dunking under basket, and catching drills

[NiceLikeChrist]

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I don’t understand how you devote your entire life to basketball. No family, no spouse, no kids. Literally all you do supposedly is eat drink sleep and basketball yet you’re still so simpleminded when it comes to the game.

How has he not learned the 2020s? It reminds me of those old crusty 70 year old doctors sticking to straight up nonsense practice when evidence has shown them clearly what they were doing 30 years ago is flat out wrong and there’s better ways to do it today. But they don’t care. Stuck in their ways til they’re senile and retired. Get this man outta here.

[whocares1]

Tell it on the mountain.

Disagree bc it literally was working in the beginning of the season. Jokic is just on another level as a playmaker over Towns.

early in the season teams weren't guarding hart with the center... only a few good teams did (boston did game 1, rockets early on etc) and then teams started copying it.

i do agree earlier in the season though brunson was doing a much better job distributing. even then i saw him constantly miss Kat on pops though. it's like he has tunnel vision on the drive.

That’s what I’m saying. Fans here are saying that Jokic and Murray are able to run screen and rolls just fine with Westbrook being out there but there’s a huge difference.

Number one Jokic is not letting a wing stop him ever. Thats sadly what Towns does far too often.

Number two a Jokic Murray pick and pop is way more layered bc Jokic can do way more things with the ball from the perimeter than Towns can. Jokic is the true connector in his screen and rolls even tho he’s the one screening.

Does Brunson have tunnel vision? Ofc he’s shown to look for his shot more than distribute. But the pick and pop isn’t happening anymore is due to Towns’ weakness against wings and Thibs lack of adjustment with the lineups and not bc Brunson can’t run a **** pick and roll.

[Najeem27]

JB also gave Schroeder a wide open 3 just sayin

[oldshoolballer]

Wth happened to playing Cam Payne

Can we get a real coach in here. Enough already.