OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[MrDollarBills]

I think this was the best realistic outcome for the Giants

Draft the clear BPA at 3 instead of reaching for a QB, then take a QB later

You didn't give up a ton to move back into the 1st too, so that helps

I don't know enough about Dart to be high or low on him, I just know his draft stock started rising after he stopped playing

You're gonna run into the same issues with drafting a QB with this FO/coach, they're kinda desperate to win and as such developing a young QB will be less important to them than saving their jobs this year, which is never good for the young QB. Then if you replace them next year, the new HC/GM might not be big Dart fans, so they'll look to move on too and it was a waste

But at the very least, you will have Abdul Carter.

I'm kinda jealous that you guys have Hunter but I'm good with Carter. No clue about Dart.

[kNicksGmen]

my giants are cursed so dart will prob be a bust or mediocre at best and sanders will end up being a pro bowler.

[MrDollarBills]

The fact that we drafted Dart means Joe Schoen's son really is a dumbass.

Schoen needs to start feeding his dumb ass kid fake information.

[Kampuchea]

We think Giants racist and trying to cover it up by signing Wilson and Winston? Dart not good enough but they are desperate to develop a white QB?

[MrDollarBills]

Re: Shedeur, the fact that Pittsburgh passed on him in Round 1 was alarming. What happened during those interviews?

I don't think teams had a 1st round grade on him to be honest. It's not just the Giants who passed so I don't buy the racism angle, especially when the Giants tried to get Daniels and Ward in back to back drafts and they passed on Nix and McCarthy too. I think this is more of a case of fan and medias overhype (Mel Kiper, Dan Orlovsky) not aligning with what the team scouts were actually thinking.

I am very skeptical about Dart just based on what I'm reading, but if Daboll thinks he can develop him it is what it is. I hope Shedeur gets drafted early tonight because that had to suck last night

[mpharris36]

The fact that we drafted Dart means Joe Schoen's son really is a dumbass.

Schoen needs to start feeding his dumb ass kid fake information.

the only hope is Joe Schoen son is as right on Dart as he was on Jayden Daniels

[mpharris36]

I think this was the best realistic outcome for the Giants

Draft the clear BPA at 3 instead of reaching for a QB, then take a QB later

You didn't give up a ton to move back into the 1st too, so that helps

I don't know enough about Dart to be high or low on him, I just know his draft stock started rising after he stopped playing

You're gonna run into the same issues with drafting a QB with this FO/coach, they're kinda desperate to win and as such developing a young QB will be less important to them than saving their jobs this year, which is never good for the young QB. Then if you replace them next year, the new HC/GM might not be big Dart fans, so they'll look to move on too and it was a waste

But at the very least, you will have Abdul Carter.

What are your thoughts on the big splash for Hunter? Big trade for a non-QB but we have never seen a 2-way player before so if the Jags are good (and in that division they should be). The 1st should be a laterish 1st to trade.

As for the Giants they executed there plan...whether it works out will all be determined if they hit on Dart.

But like you said they got Carter to be a difference maker right away.

[MrDollarBills]

We think Giants racist and trying to cover it up by signing Wilson and Winston? Dart not good enough but they are desperate to develop a white QB?

The Giants tried to move up twice in two straight drafts to draft a Black QB who fit what Daboll is looking for and they got denied. I'm not sure how this is a conspiracy or anything especially when 31 teams also passed.

I think Shedeur just didn't impress them. Especially when they gave Sanders an extended look.

Russell and Wilson are literally desperation signings because Stafford wasn't available and they badly need competent veteran QB play.

[MrDollarBills]

The fact that we drafted Dart means Joe Schoen's son really is a dumbass.

Schoen needs to start feeding his dumb ass kid fake information.

the only hope is Joe Schoen son is as right on Dart as he was on Jayden Daniels

If he is, we need to hire the kid and fire his Dad

DT round 3?

[DOT]

I think this was the best realistic outcome for the Giants

Draft the clear BPA at 3 instead of reaching for a QB, then take a QB later

You didn't give up a ton to move back into the 1st too, so that helps

I don't know enough about Dart to be high or low on him, I just know his draft stock started rising after he stopped playing

You're gonna run into the same issues with drafting a QB with this FO/coach, they're kinda desperate to win and as such developing a young QB will be less important to them than saving their jobs this year, which is never good for the young QB. Then if you replace them next year, the new HC/GM might not be big Dart fans, so they'll look to move on too and it was a waste

But at the very least, you will have Abdul Carter.

What are your thoughts on the big splash for Hunter? Big trade for a non-QB but we have never seen a 2-way player before so if the Jags are good (and in that division they should be). The 1st should be a laterish 1st to trade.

As for the Giants they executed there plan...whether it works out will all be determined if they hit on Dart.

But like you said they got Carter to be a difference maker right away.

It's a lot to give up, but he's arguably the best player in the class even without weighing positional value

Apparently we're gonna use him primarily as a WR, ease him into defensive packages at CB, which is kind of the opposite of what I thought he should do, but it makes sense for our roster. We needed a WR2 more than a CB (so long as Tyson Campbell stays healthy, which he really doesn't)

It's a risk for sure, but I have to agree with Gladstone's thinking. It's not every year you get a chance for a guy like Hunter, even if you're picking high, so when the opportunity is there, you gotta take it

What I do know is, even if the two-way thing doesn't pan out, BTJ/Hunter is one of the best WR duos in the league from day 1. And considering our 2nd leading receiver last year was Brenton Strange (our backup TE) at 411 yards (seriously), it was a huge need and a huge get.

[mpharris36]

Schoen needs to start feeding his dumb ass kid fake information.

the only hope is Joe Schoen son is as right on Dart as he was on Jayden Daniels

If he is, we need to hire the kid and fire his Dad

DT round 3?

I'm hoping DT in round 3...we need a big body. Because if we can't stop the run we won't be able to unleash our elite pass rush. So it makes sense to make a pick that also enhances the Carter pick.

I would like a OG as well but I would be ok giving Neal a year at OG to see what he can do.

I also think you can get a RB or TE in round 4.

[cgmw]

I know because of the importance of the QB position that will get a ton of attention. But man we got Abdul Carter

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he was my favorite player coming into the draft. I think the only player I would have drafted over him would have been Cam Ward just because of the positional importance. But Carter is a game wrecker on that side of the ball. The Giants are going to have a legit identity to make QB's lives miserable.

D-line is giving Osi, Strahan, Tuck vibes. LT, Carl Banks, and Leonard Hamilton did ok too. Solid championship formula/identify that’s worked for generations. Opposing QBs/team doctor gonna circle the date: Dexy, Carter, Burns, Kayvon.

[Fat Kat]

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[mpharris36]

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if you told me this would have happened before the draft started i would have been fine with it. the concern was the compensation that we'd have to give up to get back into the 1st but what we gave up was more than reasonable.

i just didn't expect shedeur to be here who in my opinion is a much better QB and that's what i'm getting hung up on

[MrDollarBills]

I think this was the best realistic outcome for the Giants

Draft the clear BPA at 3 instead of reaching for a QB, then take a QB later

You didn't give up a ton to move back into the 1st too, so that helps

I don't know enough about Dart to be high or low on him, I just know his draft stock started rising after he stopped playing

You're gonna run into the same issues with drafting a QB with this FO/coach, they're kinda desperate to win and as such developing a young QB will be less important to them than saving their jobs this year, which is never good for the young QB. Then if you replace them next year, the new HC/GM might not be big Dart fans, so they'll look to move on too and it was a waste

But at the very least, you will have Abdul Carter.

What are your thoughts on the big splash for Hunter? Big trade for a non-QB but we have never seen a 2-way player before so if the Jags are good (and in that division they should be). The 1st should be a laterish 1st to trade.

As for the Giants they executed there plan...whether it works out will all be determined if they hit on Dart.

But like you said they got Carter to be a difference maker right away.

It's a lot to give up, but he's arguably the best player in the class even without weighing positional value

Apparently we're gonna use him primarily as a WR, ease him into defensive packages at CB, which is kind of the opposite of what I thought he should do, but it makes sense for our roster. We needed a WR2 more than a CB (so long as Tyson Campbell stays healthy, which he really doesn't)

It's a risk for sure, but I have to agree with Gladstone's thinking. It's not every year you get a chance for a guy like Hunter, even if you're picking high, so when the opportunity is there, you gotta take it

What I do know is, even if the two-way thing doesn't pan out, BTJ/Hunter is one of the best WR duos in the league from day 1. And considering our 2nd leading receiver last year was Brenton Strange (our backup TE) at 411 yards (seriously), it was a huge need and a huge get.

I really feel like yall should do the opposite and let him play CB with some packages designed for him at WR

[mpharris36]

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if you told me this would have happened before the draft started i would have been fine with it. the concern was the compensation that we'd have to give up to get back into the 1st but what we gave up was more than reasonable.

i just didn't expect shedeur to be here who in my opinion is a much better QB and that's what i'm getting hung up on

All that is fair. Can't blame you. I know people that like Sanders better and can't blame them. I know people that like Milroe better and can't blame them.

However I kinda think Dart was going earlier (lot of rumors at some point to the Saints I didn't think we were able to get back in the 1st far enough. I also don't love that Kiffen schemed him so much in that offense (but that also isn't a knock on Dart that is more the unknown when he doesn't have that safety net can he do it).

But you can see why Daboll likes him. He lead CFB in completions behond 15 yards. Led class in completion rate on 5-20 yards. Led the draft class is scramble yards per drop back. And he was great in play action and McShay said he graded as the best college QB in this class vs pressure. All those are interesting things to bank on.

He has good mobility (obviously not even close to Milroe's level) but he is also a far better mobility than Sanders and even more than Cam Ward. I think Daboll values that and its a nice skill set to have in todays NFL to have that scramble ability.

He certainly has some things to clean up...but we basically can **** him a year and he's on 21 years old with a lot of college starts under his belt.

I'm not a good enough evaluator of the QB position to really know. But at this point the reason you hired daboll was his ability to develop and work with QB's...I think you have to get him the one he likes best, no?

[GONYK]

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This was brought up in the video and personally, I think this is why they went Dart over Sanders:

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Shedur couldn't routinely escape Big 12 rushers and Dart was able to move against SEC rushers. Dart also has better arm talent.

Daboll is taking a big gamble on Dart's processing and deep ball accuracy, but Shedur is a good, not elite, processor who also executed a simplified offense, so maybe they saw that as a push.

[DOT]

I really feel like yall should do the opposite and let him play CB with some packages designed for him at WR

Yeah, that's what I thought would be best too

Like, Deion only had 1 year where he had any regular WR snaps, and that year he had just 475 yards on 36 receptions, I feel like if he were to get around that while also playing full time CB, that would be great

But like I said, I don't think our CB room is bad when healthy, the biggest question is if Jarrian Jones can make the switch to outside CB, cause he was really good in the slot last year, Tyson Campbell is a good enough CB1 when healthy, and we just signed Jourdan Lewis to a rather large deal for a slot CB

If anything, safety is the more pressing need in the secondary

Meanwhile, our WR2 was gonna be one of Gabe Davis, Dyami Brown, or Parker Washington, and while I like Parker, none of those guys really inspire confidence as a WR2 even with BTJ, especially since we no longer have Evan Engram

But who knows, maybe he actually can play both sides of the ball full time.