2025 Playoffs: Round 1, Game 4: Cleveland @ Miami - 7:30pm EST on 4/28

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Also just gonna point out not one "let's not suck" first page of this thread. And what did we do? We sucked. Just saying.

[contract]

Respect to the heat fans in the stadium staying till the end

They're still there because they want to speak to the manager.

[Wiltside]

Herro with 4/1/1 in 30 minutes on 1/10 and a -44 on the floor.

YIKES

Everyones had a **** game in their lives but he showed whatever is below beta tonight.

Fair to say he's spending tonight in the cuck chair, DoM.

[Flash4thewin]

Embarrassing loss. More pissed about the regular season than this series. Herro and Bam gotta do better than 8 games under 500. That is the biggest indictment of Herro and Bam as a core.They gotta be able to drive the team to a bit over 500. The pistons roster outside Cade is as$ and they were able to get to 44 wins.

Spo went full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) this season, so many of his moves made no sense unless we were trying to tank in that 10 game stretch and the player and or front office had a change of mind. Just simple common sense thing where he would do stupid things.

[DayofMourning]

Respect to the heat fans in the stadium staying till the end

They're still there because they want to speak to the manager.

[Wiltside]

Niko and Pelle are the true G's. Everyone else = bin.

[Heat3]

Just have the 20th pick in the draft to look forward to.

You thinking Rasheer?

I don't watch college ball so unless someone is getting hyped by the media like Wemby or Lebron I wouldn't know who they are. Tim Duncan was in the draft the last time I really paid attention

[Shewasfly]

I think on a good team I’d rather have Bam than Randle. I think Bam over Julius is an upgrade for this Wolves squad. But I also think Julius is more willing to just be an offensive anchor, which is more needed for our woeful roster.

Bam plus Antman would make any team a contender.

Its arguable, but I think you're really discounting the pressure Randle takes off Ant. You have to guard him everywhere AND he's a great post player.

All that goes away with Bam. Changes their entire offense. You cannot tell me that the Wolves don't have the exact same problem on offense that we saw against Cleveland with both Bam and Gobert on the floor. They can just crowd the paint. Ant can get by his man far easier than anyone on our team could ever dream, but the spacing would still be completely off.

You don't really have to guard Randle from 3. He also makes a fair amount of bad decisions and isn't a great defender. I'm positive all impact stats will favor Bam, he's just much easier to fit on a championship roster. Being misused on this roster doesn't make him worse than **** Randle. I like Randle but that is insulting to Bam.

Bam is not being misused on this roster. He is what we are seeing. There is no hidden next level. How many years do we have to put up with this lie? He's simply not great offensively, which makes you have to put him at C to maximize him. But putting him at C comes at the cost of size, and therefore rebounding and defense inside.

Worse than the lack of an offensive bag, is his offensive mentality. He simply does not want to attack. Whether its because he's scared or just knows his bag ain't sht, idk. But we have seen multiple possessions every game for YEARS now where Bam kills the flow by refusing to even look at the basket.

He is a great defender, no one denies that. But like Tyler is supremely limited defensively, Bam is offensively. They are good to great players, but without a main guy to lead them, they are exactly what we saw through this season. Maybe slightly better, without the Jimmy distraction and Spo having more time to come up with a cohesive game plan to implement Wiggins' wack ass.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Can someone who thinks Randle is better than Bam please build a legitimate argument supporting that claim backed with facts and evidence? I’m legit curious, I would love to see how someone would build that argument

Here’s an argument for why Julius Randle could be considered better than Bam Adebayo, depending on the criteria you're using—particularly in terms of offensive production and individual scoring:

1. Superior Scoring Ability
Julius Randle consistently averages more points per game than Bam Adebayo. He’s a more versatile offensive player who can score at all three levels—posting up, mid-range jumpers, and hitting threes. For example:

In multiple seasons, Randle has averaged over 22 points per game, while Bam has hovered around 19 PPG.
Randle’s ability to create his own shot and shoulder a heavier offensive load makes him more valuable as a go-to scorer.
2. Floor Spacing
Randle has developed into a legitimate three-point threat (despite inconsistency), while Bam rarely shoots threes.

In recent seasons, Randle has averaged around 5–6 three-point attempts per game, showing he can stretch the floor.
This helps open up space for teammates, something Bam doesn't offer as a primarily interior scorer.
3. Rebounding
Randle is a better rebounder statistically and physically.

He regularly averages over 9–10 rebounds per game, while Bam averages closer to 9 or fewer.
His physicality and nose for the ball give him an edge on the boards, especially on the offensive glass.
4. Playmaking from a Scorer's Role
While Bam is an elite passer for a big, Randle also provides solid playmaking—especially impressive given his primary scoring role.

Randle has averaged around 4–6 assists per game, showing he can read the floor and involve teammates, particularly when doubled.
5. All-NBA Recognition
Randle has received multiple All-NBA selections, which suggests league-wide recognition of his individual dominance.

This includes an All-NBA Second Team in 2021 and All-NBA Third Team in 2023.
Bam has made All-Defensive teams but not an All-NBA team, which shows Randle’s offensive value is considered more elite at his position.
Conclusion:
While Bam Adebayo is the better defender and more consistent team player, Julius Randle’s offensive arsenal, rebounding dominance, and ability to carry a scoring load give him the edge if you’re prioritizing individual production and offensive impact.

ChatGPT merchant?!?! And why the hell are they lying about rebounding?!

[oreon]

Embarrassing loss. More pissed about the regular season than this series. Herro and Bam gotta do better than 8 games under 500. That is the biggest indictment of Herro and Bam as a core.They gotta be able to drive the team to a bit over 500. The pistons roster outside Cade is as$ and they were able to get to 44 wins.

Not really. Bam is a 3rd or 4th guy offensively, his biggest value is defense, he shouldn't be tasked with carrying an offense. It's okay too not everyone is a "bus driver" on offense to quote Charles Barkley. Everyone has their role and Bam is great at his, at least when he gets to play it. As for Herro, he's become a legit all-star so him not being a true first option isn't really a fair criticism cuz how many of those guys are there? Y'all are too hard on the guys, and tbh I'm pretty hard on Herro normally

Bam will be making 50. Herro wants 50. And you can't get a team to 500 ? If they weren't making max then its ok. But one will be and one wants it. So they have to able to raise the floor of the team to atleast a 500 team. Otherwise whats the point. You can replace Bam and Herro with lesser talent on cheaper contracts and get same results.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Embarrassing loss. More pissed about the regular season than this series. Herro and Bam gotta do better than 8 games under 500. That is the biggest indictment of Herro and Bam as a core.They gotta be able to drive the team to a bit over 500. The pistons roster outside Cade is as$ and they were able to get to 44 wins.

Spo went full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) this season, so many of his moves made no sense unless we were trying to tank in that 10 game stretch and the player and or front office had a change of mind. Just simple common sense thing where he would do stupid things.

Have to wonder if there was collective burnout even with the coaches. "Heat culture" can take a toll, its basically just "we're going to drill grown ass adults like its college" and both the players and the coaches have to get sick of it when its obvious there's no light at the end of the tunnel.

Riles had his burnout moment in the early 00's and had to give it up to Stan. I wonder if Spo's reaching that point.

[marson]

It would be shocking if the front office isn’t open to trading both Bam and Herro. That was the worst playoff loss in our history, talk about a wake-up call, lol.

[HeatFanLifer]

Hopefully this fat L at home is the catalyst for major change. It's time. This run has ended and we need a proper retool/rebuild.

My keys to a successful offseason:

1. 1 year hiatus for Spo. Put him in some sort of desk job position still collecting his salary. Dude has been grinding for 3 decades, he needs a year off.

2. Chris Quinn as interim head coach. Give the man some experience.

3. Everyone is tradeable. Focus on eliminating long term wasteful contracts and gain some picks/young talent.

4. Double the scouting department budget. Why bother spending $20 million on another Duncan Robinson when you can draft or sign a undrafted a player that is just as effective if you have the right talent to find that player.

5. High draft pick 2026.

[DayofMourning]

Embarrassing loss. More pissed about the regular season than this series. Herro and Bam gotta do better than 8 games under 500. That is the biggest indictment of Herro and Bam as a core.They gotta be able to drive the team to a bit over 500. The pistons roster outside Cade is as$ and they were able to get to 44 wins.

Spo went full (Please Use More Appropriate Word) this season, so many of his moves made no sense unless we were trying to tank in that 10 game stretch and the player and or front office had a change of mind. Just simple common sense thing where he would do stupid things.

Yeesss.

Spo did everything wrong all the time. Maybe too much on his plate? His sub patterns were mind boggling. Wrong player wrong time. All year.

[DayofMourning]

Hopefully this fat L at home is the catalyst for major change. It's time. This run has ended and we need a proper retool/rebuild.

My keys to a successful offseason:

1. 1 year hiatus for Spo. Put him in some sort of desk job position still collecting his salary. Dude has been grinding for 3 decades, he needs a year off.

2. Chris Quinn as interim head coach. Give the man some experience.

3. Everyone is tradeable. Focus on eliminating long term wasteful contracts and gain some picks/young talent.

4. Double the scouting department budget. Why bother spending $20 million on another Duncan Robinson when you can draft or sign a undrafted a player that is just as effective if you have the right talent to find that player.

5. High draft pick 2026.

Genius.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bam is a ceiling raiser.

Randle is a floor raiser.

Someone is gonna call Bam “Handsome Draymond” and 3ammy will be out for blood.

Edrice worst scoring season as a starter would be Draymonds career high

[wade44]

Paying role players 50 million per season- Miami Heat edition

[carnageta]

I love Spo. I'm just tired of our offensive sets. Year after year we are the lowest scoring team in the NBA lol.

[Heat3]

Hopefully this fat L at home is the catalyst for major change. It's time. This run has ended and we need a proper retool/rebuild.

My keys to a successful offseason:

1. 1 year hiatus for Spo. Put him in some sort of desk job position still collecting his salary. Dude has been grinding for 3 decades, he needs a year off.

2. Chris Quinn as interim head coach. Give the man some experience.

3. Everyone is tradeable. Focus on eliminating long term wasteful contracts and gain some picks/young talent.

4. Double the scouting department budget. Why bother spending $20 million on another Duncan Robinson when you can draft or sign a undrafted a player that is just as effective if you have the right talent to find that player.

5. High draft pick 2026.

I don't hate it. Spo was not good this year and his offense was putrid. He really need an offense assistant. Maybe a change of scenery will do him good. We can trade him to Denver if they have anything good to give for rebuilding.

[Heat_Down_Under]

#teamTraeYoung