PG - this is the opposite of fun

[Jalen Bluntson]

Do you think a new coach is going to have brunson play off the ball more? Or is Brunson who he is, a ball dominant guard that looks for his own more than getting his teammates involved?

Brunson is near the top of the league in scoring and assists. You should try watching the games. This is a stupid take.

He's also probably first in USG. Being near the top in assist doesn't mean you get your teammates involved. It means u have the ball alot

It means he gets his team involved. Don't be ridiculous.

[TKKnicks1]

You see Bickerstaff just doing small creative coaching things that you just wish Thibs did. Doing that hack-a-Mitch when Knicks cut it to 2. I thought that was genius to slow down our momentum. Two games in a row hes taken very key timeouts to regroup his guys. He let Thompson play most of the 4th yesterday cuz he was cooking on both ends when he had played Schroeder majority of the 4th last couple games.

This is what real coaching is man. It's not clockwork substitutions, pulling guys out when they are hot, sometimes it's not all about the matchups as Thibs loves to say. Its about reading the game and putting the best 5 out there to win you the game and then constantly adjusting to what the defense is giving you. Thibs doesn't do either very well.

[prophet_of_rage]

This is why we lose. This is why we are frustrated with Thibs

1. Thibs was successful when he has one or two bucket getters, and 3 guys who crash. See d rose and jimmy , with 3 crashers in Noah, boozer and deng. Same thing with jb, and divo with 3 crashers in hart, Ihart and og. But that offense doesn’t win you a ring. Today’s championship offensive sets have ball and player movement. Screens. Back cuts. Screen for the screener. We do none of that. And that’s why the offense runs down to 6-7 on the shot clock.

2. Why did we get KAT if we don’t spam pick and roll with him and Brunson? The problem is he’s not a good pick setter, but to remedy this, insert Mitch into the lineup and bench Hart. This leads me to my second point. Thibs’ mind numbing RIGIDITY. He hasn’t a clue for the game or understanding of how to make teams adjust to HIM.

3. And finally, our defense is horrid. Championship teams have multiple defensive sets to run. Box and 1. 2,3 zone, 3,2 zone. Instead we just run with an elite rim protector and rely on the supernova abilities of 2 wings. Again, see Noah with boozer and deng.

This is why we will never ever win with Thibs. The absolute best thing to do is to replace him with a modern coach. HE is the rate limiting factor and the sole reason a championship is not on our horizon until he is fired.

Are we not seeing that Mitch can't catch anything and isbgetting dislodged all the time? He isn't ready yet.

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[Reign23]

People blaming Thibs for the team being soft and boring

serious question: do you think Thibs has done a good job?

[DimesandKnicks]

Brunson is near the top of the league in scoring and assists. You should try watching the games. This is a stupid take.

He's also probably first in USG. Being near the top in assist doesn't mean you get your teammates involved. It means u have the ball alot

It means he gets his team involved. Don't be ridiculous.

It means he dribbles the air out of the ball and when the defense collapses he makes the right play. Getting your teammates involved means setting up the offense and putting players in the right position, I.e running pick and pop with Kat and actually giving him the ball on the pop

[prophet_of_rage]

Mikal's NBA head coaches coaches prior to Thibs:

Igor Kokoskov
Monty Williams
Jacque Vaughn
Kevin Ollie

That's it

And this year he has thibs? Making open shots isn’t a coaching problem it’s a mikal problem. Smiling like an idiot when he drains a shot after missing the last 13 is a mikal problem. Just so you know I am in no way attacking you, I’m attacking mikal because we gave up so much for a dude that can’t even be a 3and d wing. Bare minimum he should have been able to do that but no he just sucks and celebrates with his former nets teammates smiling like an idiot.

The reason he isn’t making shots is because he’s playing point of attack defense all game long when he’s better served to be a wing defender. He has no legs and is tired before he even gets back on offense. At the end of the day, Mikal does a LOT on defense that goes unnoticed but we rip him for missed shots, when it’s basically him and OG on defense.

OG is playing point of attack defence on Cunningham. Not Bridges.

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[LFGK]

20 pages of thibs talk man, jesus christ.....its Thibs fault how bad Brunson shot? 1-2 plays was the difference in this game.

[Jeff Van Gully]

disappointing. we played like dog **** against a team fighting for its life and still had enough to win it. 11 missed free throws in a 3-point loss is brutal.

see you at the guard hour. [the guard was pretty horrible (for whatever reason) last night.]

[HEZI]

Dude said layup lines

This dudes vibe was off from the moment he arrived. How do you not even have any chemistry with the same PG you had in college and won a championship with? Draft hype was all about you, you went lottery and he went 2nd round. He became a star in NY and you’ve been a role player your whole career. I think deep down inside dude is jealous of Brunson and really doesn’t want to be on this team

I don't think he's wrong. The non-movement on offense on this starting squad is ridiculous. There was more movement on this team last season then is there now. I don't get after a full season this starting unit isn't clicking. If KAT and JB aren't going to do screens and pick and rolls/pops, I rather see Mikal and OJ on it.

He should be the last one talking with his lackadaisical movement. He jogs up and down the court with his arms looking like they are falling off his body, he has no foot speed, no strength so even when he cuts it just looks slow and low effort. His game is the same whether it’s a scrimmage or game 5 of the playoffs it’s the same every time. Looking like he’s just running for cardio and practicing a drill with half assed effort. He’s especially awful against teams that play physical because it only exposes his weaknesses that much more.

[Im Coming Home]

Knicks just don't want to win a series at home, they don't wanna give the fans that satisfaction I guess lmao

[snadler]

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This is a great breakdown of the offensive struggles, now is this a coaching issue, for sure could be, or is this a group of players that don’t give it 100% all the time, there is no excuse to be playing at 1/2 speed no less in a home playoff game.

[snadler]

You see Bickerstaff just doing small creative coaching things that you just wish Thibs did. Doing that hack-a-Mitch when Knicks cut it to 2. I thought that was genius to slow down our momentum. Two games in a row hes taken very key timeouts to regroup his guys. He let Thompson play most of the 4th yesterday cuz he was cooking on both ends when he had played Schroeder majority of the 4th last couple games.

This is what real coaching is man. It's not clockwork substitutions, pulling guys out when they are hot, sometimes it's not all about the matchups as Thibs loves to say. Its about reading the game and putting the best 5 out there to win you the game and then constantly adjusting to what the defense is giving you. Thibs doesn't do either very well.

Or are the pistons players responding to Bickerstaff and the vet knicks have tuned out the coach..again I will keep saying this, Thibs will get fired a new coach will be brought in, but I guarantee the same issues will return especially in the playoffs, because this roster doesn’t work. Not enough athletes, ball handlers, play makers, defenders, toughness..you can put lipstick on a pig…replacing the coach and running it back will lead the knicks to the same spot. People are calling for the coach, and he will/deserve to be fired, but this team isn’t it..

[Jeff Van Gully]

Knicks just don't want to win a series at home, they don't wanna give the fans that satisfaction I guess lmao

like. for real. this is insane.

by no means should any of us have expected detroit to to anything other than fight like hell. i genuinely love that about them and see that eye of the tiger just missing from this team at stretches. starting halves so flat is problematic. detroit deserves credit for the pressure they apply. it's beautiful to watch when you step away from your fandom a bit.

whole team was packwatch last night. players didn't step up. coach is accountable for having a flat team out there in huge moments. 2 performances like this on the garden floor is unacceptable.

[MrDollarBills]

I just don't understand how we went back to playing like we did in Game 2.

I feel like there's no gameplan offensively at all. Just hand JB the ball to dribble 90+ feet and try to get a shot within 8 seconds. No structure, every 3rd quarter the team comes out flat.

Whatever I guess. If this goes to game 7, it is an indictment.

[DOT]

I feel like there's no gameplan offensively at all.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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This is a great breakdown of the offensive struggles, now is this a coaching issue, for sure could be, or is this a group of players that don’t give it 100% all the time, there is no excuse to be playing at 1/2 speed no less in a home playoff game.

i appreciate this opportunity for good nuanced conversation. but i unfortunately merely expect it to just be coach bashing, like this is what he tells them to do (when he speaks out against it all the time).

regardless, coach is responsible for how it goes. but, no. he's not being lazy or missing open shots and free throws. so it's unfair to look at moments like these and maintain a "coach bad, players good" extreme agenda. it's always a shared thing. and both can be better. why do they start halves flat? why is mikal out here talking about layup lines for cohesion. that's unsettling.

and again, detroit deserves credit for not making it easy to execute the things. they not gon LET you. so some of this comes down to heart and... marble.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I just don't understand how we went back to playing like we did in Game 2.

I feel like there's no gameplan offensively at all. Just hand JB the ball to dribble 90+ feet and try to get a shot within 8 seconds. No structure, every 3rd quarter the team comes out flat.

Whatever I guess. If this goes to game 7, it is an indictment.

we've been awful in these home games and needed a miracle to be 1-2 there. it's inexplicable, especially when we looked so much more like "ourselves" at little caesar's.

[prophet_of_rage]

All the silly actions between hart and Brunson over and over and the dribble handoffs back to back to back make this look less like team basketball and just buddy ball. I love Brunson but he needs separation from the Villanova boys. Donte was the one dude that made sure he got his and he’s the one dude that’s not here. Yuck

i was watching better basketball read and react 2.0 (by coach Rick Torbett) for a couple of days now, and DHOs + crab dribbles are a thing there.

Correct. Everybosy thought read and react was revolutionary. It requires super smart players and it results in accisental basketball but it is a system. One that players can hijack.

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[HerSports85]

Just another unbelievable thing about last night. I have no idea if this was the game plan or players not knowing each other but regardless this pissed me off all game.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Do you think a new coach is going to have brunson play off the ball more? Or is Brunson who he is, a ball dominant guard that looks for his own more than getting his teammates involved?

Brunson is near the top of the league in scoring and assists. You should try watching the games. This is a stupid take.

He's also probably first in USG. Being near the top in assist doesn't mean you get your teammates involved. It means u have the ball alot

We should kniw this. We had Starbury.

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