KyRo23 wrote:Does the amount of LeBron threads on the 1st page of the General Forum hurt this sites legacy?

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KyRo23 wrote:Does the amount of LeBron threads on the 1st page of the General Forum hurt this sites legacy?
zimpy27 wrote:I think it actually helps his legacy.
He's the only player in NBA history to prove that he can win in 3 completely different teams, different teammates and coaches. He led all 3 to championships and got finals MVP.
I actually think Jordans 6 with Pippen and Jackson is not telling you that Jordan was the common denominator. Rather the combination of the 3 was important and it worked well enough to repeat. Jordan teams didn't look so good without the triangle system. We can only guess if he could have won on other teams and in other systems, no proof.
KAJ also proved it like LeBron.
zimpy27 wrote:I think it actually helps his legacy.
He's the only player in NBA history to prove that he can win in 3 completely different teams, different teammates and coaches. He led all 3 to championships and got finals MVP.
I actually think Jordans 6 with Pippen and Jackson is not telling you that Jordan was the common denominator. Rather the combination of the 3 was important and it worked well enough to repeat. Jordan teams didn't look so good without the triangle system. We can only guess if he could have won on other teams and in other systems, no proof.
KAJ also proved it like LeBron.
This is so tired.ball_takes23 wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think it actually helps his legacy.
He's the only player in NBA history to prove that he can win in 3 completely different teams, different teammates and coaches. He led all 3 to championships and got finals MVP.
I actually think Jordans 6 with Pippen and Jackson is not telling you that Jordan was the common denominator. Rather the combination of the 3 was important and it worked well enough to repeat. Jordan teams didn't look so good without the triangle system. We can only guess if he could have won on other teams and in other systems, no proof.
KAJ also proved it like LeBron.
So let me ask you, has Lebron ever left an easier situation for a harder situation? Of course not, because why would anyone ever willingly do that? MJ winning with a pre-prime, prime and post-prime Pippen (in 1998, when he missed half the season at the age of 32 and scored 8 points in game 6 of the ‘98 finals) is way more impressive than Lebron winning with stars who were in their primes and then leaving the second they get past their primes to go team up with more stars in their primes.
shi-woo wrote:It's never been about the amount of teams he played for more so the who what where when why and how of it all.
No one cared he left CLE, they cared that he colluded with other stars to form a super team.
No one cared that he left MIA, but that he was leaving a top notch org and again going to a better younger situation hand picked by him
Him leaving CLE for LA and acting like it wasn't to form another super team with another colluding star was pretty distasteful.
His entire career has been about stacking the deck, creating a narrative and storyline, and then following it through with backbreaking levels of propaganda. If you're someone who sees this and dislikes it, then you might not think highly of LBJ like I don't, but if you don't care than you're like the other Witnesses in this thread.
If Mike showed us how to create a brand, LeBron showed us how to run and organize it.
shi-woo wrote:It's never been about the amount of teams he played for more so the who what where when why and how of it all.
No one cared he left CLE, they cared that he colluded with other stars to form a super team.
No one cared that he left MIA, but that he was leaving a top notch org and again going to a better younger situation hand picked by him
Him leaving CLE for LA and acting like it wasn't to form another super team with another colluding star was pretty distasteful.
His entire career has been about stacking the deck, creating a narrative and storyline, and then following it through with backbreaking levels of propaganda. If you're someone who sees this and dislikes it, then you might not think highly of LBJ like I don't, but if you don't care than you're like the other Witnesses in this thread.
If Mike showed us how to create a brand, LeBron showed us how to run and organize it.
ImmortalD24 wrote:Swap 2008 Mo Williams with Garland this post season and Cavs would be up right now on the verge of sweeping the Pacers.
ball_takes23 wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think it actually helps his legacy.
He's the only player in NBA history to prove that he can win in 3 completely different teams, different teammates and coaches. He led all 3 to championships and got finals MVP.
I actually think Jordans 6 with Pippen and Jackson is not telling you that Jordan was the common denominator. Rather the combination of the 3 was important and it worked well enough to repeat. Jordan teams didn't look so good without the triangle system. We can only guess if he could have won on other teams and in other systems, no proof.
KAJ also proved it like LeBron.
So let me ask you, has Lebron ever left an easier situation for a harder situation? Of course not, because why would anyone ever willingly do that? MJ winning with a pre-prime, prime and post-prime Pippen (in 1998, when he missed half the season at the age of 32 and scored 8 points in game 6 of the ‘98 finals) is way more impressive than Lebron winning with stars who were in their primes and then leaving the second they get past their primes to go team up with more stars in their primes.
ImmortalD24 wrote:Swap 2008 Mo Williams with Garland this post season and Cavs would be up right now on the verge of sweeping the Pacers.
bovice wrote:no, it doesn't effect his legacy. LeBron is a top 15 player of all time and nothing changes that.
nate33 wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think it actually helps his legacy.
He's the only player in NBA history to prove that he can win in 3 completely different teams, different teammates and coaches. He led all 3 to championships and got finals MVP.
I actually think Jordans 6 with Pippen and Jackson is not telling you that Jordan was the common denominator. Rather the combination of the 3 was important and it worked well enough to repeat. Jordan teams didn't look so good without the triangle system. We can only guess if he could have won on other teams and in other systems, no proof.
KAJ also proved it like LeBron.
I disagree.
Lebron joins teams, gets them to mortgage their future to build enough win-now talent, wins, and then leaves the team in shambles to go repeat the same process on a new team that has already sacrificed to accumulate assets.
It's certainly a smart move that enables Lebron to have enough talent around him to compete for championships, but I think it tarnishes the value of his legacy a bit. I'm not as impressed that Lebron has so many career playoff games and so many Finals appearances because he did so by hopping onto different teams while they were at the peak of their development/compete/rebuild cycle and hopping off to miss out on the losing portion of the cycle. What Jordan, Russell and Duncan did by winning 5+ titles on the same team is more impressive.
ball_takes23 wrote:zimpy27 wrote:I think it actually helps his legacy.
He's the only player in NBA history to prove that he can win in 3 completely different teams, different teammates and coaches. He led all 3 to championships and got finals MVP.
I actually think Jordans 6 with Pippen and Jackson is not telling you that Jordan was the common denominator. Rather the combination of the 3 was important and it worked well enough to repeat. Jordan teams didn't look so good without the triangle system. We can only guess if he could have won on other teams and in other systems, no proof.
KAJ also proved it like LeBron.
So let me ask you, has Lebron ever left an easier situation for a harder situation? Of course not, because why would anyone ever willingly do that? MJ winning with a pre-prime, prime and post-prime Pippen (in 1998, when he missed half the season at the age of 32 and scored 8 points in game 6 of the ‘98 finals) is way more impressive than Lebron winning with stars who were in their primes and then leaving the second they get past their primes to go team up with more stars in their primes.
Hon-essim wrote:LOL @John Starks, Charles Oakley, Harper and Davis = average team but Smush, Kwame and Luke = not.