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Post#501 » by The Consiglieri » Tue May 13, 2025 2:53 am

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thebigE wrote:I see a lot of names being bandied about on the posts now that we know the Wiz are picking 6, but the facts are maybe one or two of the names bandied about that may be available at 6 does anything significant to help a team in desperate need. Furthermore, the chance of hitting on that one or two is remote. This draft was about Flagg and maybe ,maybe, maybe Harper. Anything else is a crap shoot and pure speculation. Good luck with the speculation business.

And yet I see a post a year from now asking what the FO has done and why aren’t we better yet


Well then completely ignore the post. I get how loyal some of you are, but man, there's a glutton for punishment quality going on, I kind of envy your ability to bounce back from this. I'm so thoroughly devastated, and while part of me knows it isn't rigged (I just saw the post, at .0114%, there's no way this wasn't rigged, I don't give a ---- that Ernst and Young was there, the fact that this serves NBA interests, and it was that unlikely?!?!), another party of me is seized with so much --- damned anger that every single ----ing year there's a generational talent at the top of the draft, suddenly the craptacular franchises tumble down the draft boards, and every single time its a middling or crap draft like last years, oooh, a chance for us sucky hopeless, red haired step child franchises to win and feel special.

I'm just so thoroughly beyond over it, and to see people speculating over what ---- prospect we can somehow develop into a complimentary 4th option, after the past 45 years of unending horse ----, I'm just astonished at all of your resilience. I'm 50, I've got a kiddo, and I just don't really have time for this anymore. I love love the kiddo, my wife, soccer, football, baseball, hockey when it comes to sports, and I don't see how I can justify giving this team or this sport another minute of my time. The board is literally the only thing that's given me pleasure as a Wiz/Boulez fan, like, EVER. seriously. I think pre-internet, I had hope like '94-'97, but that was basically it.

I'm amazed that you guys are still engaged, Im engaged here simply to release an avalanche of 45 years of frustration on you guys who don't deserve it, but beyond that, I've got nothing, I can't afford to care about this ---- anymore. I'm amazed you guys have it in you, especially while having along side that, given 30 years to the Redskins 93-23, and to the Capitals and their record setting run of ineptitude from 1985-2017. I have no idea how you guys do it. I don't have it in me. It's over man, game over man, we're dead, and there's no Ripley coming along to save us. We're Hudson.
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Post#503 » by thebigE » Tue May 13, 2025 3:14 am

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thebigE wrote:I see a lot of names being bandied about on the posts now that we know the Wiz are picking 6, but the facts are maybe one or two of the names bandied about that may be available at 6 does anything significant to help a team in desperate need. Furthermore, the chance of hitting on that one or two is remote. This draft was about Flagg and maybe ,maybe, maybe Harper. Anything else is a crap shoot and pure speculation. Good luck with the speculation business.

And yet I see a post a year from now asking what the FO has done and why aren’t we better yet


Well then completely ignore the post. I get how loyal some of you are, but man, there's a glutton for punishment quality going on, I kind of envy your ability to bounce back from this. I'm so thoroughly devastated, and while part of me knows it isn't rigged (I just saw the post, at .0114%, there's no way this wasn't rigged, I don't give a ---- that Ernst and Young was there, the fact that this serves NBA interests, and it was that unlikely?!?!), another party of me is seized with so much --- damned anger that every single ----ing year there's a generational talent at the top of the draft, suddenly the craptacular franchises tumble down the draft boards, and every single time its a middling or crap draft like last years, oooh, a chance for us sucky hopeless, red haired step child franchises to win and feel special.

I'm just so thoroughly beyond over it, and to see people speculating over what ---- prospect we can somehow develop into a complimentary 4th option, after the past 45 years of unending horse ----, I'm just astonished at all of your resilience. I'm 50, I've got a kiddo, and I just don't really have time for this anymore. I love love the kiddo, my wife, soccer, football, baseball, hockey when it comes to sports, and I don't see how I can justify giving this team or this sport another minute of my time. The board is literally the only thing that's given me pleasure as a Wiz/Boulez fan, like, EVER. seriously. I think pre-internet, I had hope like '94-'97, but that was basically it.

I'm amazed that you guys are still engaged, Im engaged here simply to release an avalanche of 45 years of frustration on you guys who don't deserve it, but beyond that, I've got nothing, I can't afford to care about this ---- anymore. I'm amazed you guys have it in you, especially while having along side that, given 30 years to the Redskins 93-23, and to the Capitals and their record setting run of ineptitude from 1985-2017. I have no idea how you guys do it. I don't have it in me. It's over man, game over man, we're dead, and there's no Ripley coming along to save us. We're Hudson.

I’m with you. However, truth be told you know you and I will continue to hope for the best and will check in on their progress here and there. Hang in there brother. Maybe they pull that rabbit out of the hat.
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Post#504 » by gambitx777 » Tue May 13, 2025 3:16 am

I was asleep all day and missed everything ..... By god I was right god find the post I called them doing this when the Luka trade happened. Now watch Nico trade that pick to the suns for KD hahahaha !

This is just silly and they need to fix that over reaction to the tanking thing all this does is cover up the manipulation.

I've been on the tree Johnson wagon for a while now, but I like queen too.

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Post#505 » by Rafael122 » Tue May 13, 2025 3:26 am

I’ll just say this: I’m disappointed. I don’t really care about the rigging stuff. I’m honestly just glad Flagg and Harper are going West. I think I would have been more peeved if Charlotte or Philly ended up with either guy.

I’ll say another thing: the NBA changes so much every year. Giannis might be asking out. Tatum just tore his Achilles and this is probably it for that Celtics group. Who knows with the Sixers. Cavs are imploding. Wizards just gotta be chipping away and we’ll see what happens.

I’m on board with Tre Johnson. His measurables, 6’5” with a 6’11 wingspan and 8’5” standing reach are insane.
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Post#506 » by smoothSeph » Tue May 13, 2025 3:49 am

Yea this is depressing. If it ain’t fixed it sure set up perfectly for the NBA. They might as well get rid of the bottom 3 franchises if they don’t want to even pretend like they want them to have a chance.
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Post#507 » by FAH1223 » Tue May 13, 2025 3:58 am

Dat2U wrote:Derik Queen or Tre Johnson are my choices.

If Ace Bailey falls I can probably live with it.

I'd wonder about the fit of Jeremiah Fears but talent wise, the 6th pick is about right for him.

I'd don't love Khaman Maluach, outside of Queen, I'd rather go big at 18 with Thomas Sorber or Danny Wolf but again I can live with Maluach being the pick.

Noa Essengue or CMB would piss me off. So would Kon Knueppel but for different reasons. I expect Knueppel to be a capable rotation player for years, but he is what he is and would be reminiscent of who the past regime picked.

Will Riley is my sleeper but 6 is too early but I like him more than I do Kasparas Jakucionis who would interest me if he fell to 18 but I don't want him at 6.


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Post#508 » by FAH1223 » Tue May 13, 2025 4:08 am

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80sballboy wrote:Look, who gives a sh-t after the top 2. I'm not convinced that Bailey is the third-best player. I like Tre a lot though I doubt he'll be there at 6. But it's not like he's MJ and the rest of the wings are Michael Redd. I trust in Dawkins and Winger to make the best out of a bad situation.


Why? They haven't hit any home runs on any of their picks so far. #2, #7, #14, #24, #42 and no franchise players (and they traded a potential francise player for one of those picks). More than likely they won't get one in this years draft.

So yea, I don't see why they deserve to be trusted.


They have more credibility than the previous regime. I’d take Sam Presti’s lieutenants more seriously than Grunfeldian management. Dawkins has already amassed more draft capital than Ernie or Tommy could ever do.

Everyone they’ve drafted looks like they belong. But we really discarding their drafts? Finding a franchise player in 2024 wasn’t happening with how that class was.

And Victor was the true franchise guy in 2023. Bilal has shown flashes but we acting like he wasn’t a project? Tristan in Round 2 looks like a good pick.

Tonight was a blow but let’s not act like it’s unprecedented. I’d be scared shid less if Tommy was picking.
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Post#509 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue May 13, 2025 4:46 am

SUPERBALLMAN wrote:At 6 I'll take Carter Bryant thank you.






At 18 I'll be happy with any of Sorber, Fleming, Asa Newell, or Drake Powell.
Jan Vesley vibe. Yeah, he's athletic and long.

This dude has done nothing over time.

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/article_bc522175-515d-4986-896e-e85d5843a088.html

He's going to take years to contribute off the bench.
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Post#510 » by Northwest Roddy » Tue May 13, 2025 5:25 am

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gesa2 wrote:
thebigE wrote:I see a lot of names being bandied about on the posts now that we know the Wiz are picking 6, but the facts are maybe one or two of the names bandied about that may be available at 6 does anything significant to help a team in desperate need. Furthermore, the chance of hitting on that one or two is remote. This draft was about Flagg and maybe ,maybe, maybe Harper. Anything else is a crap shoot and pure speculation. Good luck with the speculation business.

And yet I see a post a year from now asking what the FO has done and why aren’t we better yet


Well then completely ignore the post. I get how loyal some of you are, but man, there's a glutton for punishment quality going on, I kind of envy your ability to bounce back from this. I'm so thoroughly devastated, and while part of me knows it isn't rigged (I just saw the post, at .0114%, there's no way this wasn't rigged, I don't give a ---- that Ernst and Young was there, the fact that this serves NBA interests, and it was that unlikely?!?!), another party of me is seized with so much --- damned anger that every single ----ing year there's a generational talent at the top of the draft, suddenly the craptacular franchises tumble down the draft boards, and every single time its a middling or crap draft like last years, oooh, a chance for us sucky hopeless, red haired step child franchises to win and feel special.

I'm just so thoroughly beyond over it, and to see people speculating over what ---- prospect we can somehow develop into a complimentary 4th option, after the past 45 years of unending horse ----, I'm just astonished at all of your resilience. I'm 50, I've got a kiddo, and I just don't really have time for this anymore. I love love the kiddo, my wife, soccer, football, baseball, hockey when it comes to sports, and I don't see how I can justify giving this team or this sport another minute of my time. The board is literally the only thing that's given me pleasure as a Wiz/Boulez fan, like, EVER. seriously. I think pre-internet, I had hope like '94-'97, but that was basically it.

I'm amazed that you guys are still engaged, Im engaged here simply to release an avalanche of 45 years of frustration on you guys who don't deserve it, but beyond that, I've got nothing, I can't afford to care about this ---- anymore. I'm amazed you guys have it in you, especially while having along side that, given 30 years to the Redskins 93-23, and to the Capitals and their record setting run of ineptitude from 1985-2017. I have no idea how you guys do it. I don't have it in me. It's over man, game over man, we're dead, and there's no Ripley coming along to save us. We're Hudson.


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Post#511 » by Northwest Roddy » Tue May 13, 2025 5:35 am

Apologies for the sanctimoniousness. Allow the older members of the group to wallow in despair. Lucy pulled the football on us again. And yet we keep coming back for more. The NBA draft lottery was rigged from the first iteration with the frozen Knicks card. At least they did that in front of the camera. It is institutional necessity for the NBA (If the WWF had to change to WWE, then the NBA should be the NBE). We have no choice but to play along. Wizards fandom is a burden, but if/when we ever win it all again, it will be so much sweeter than for other, far luckier and better run, franchises. In the meantime, this sucks.

Younger fans should also be disappointed and aggrieved by the injustice of this flawed system. But if you are young, use this anger to make overdue positive changes in your life. For 50 plus years, the Bullets/Wizards ineptitude and incompetence has been a source of motivation for me to get my life right and not rely on them for my happiness. Use this emotion to your advantage.

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Post#512 » by gambitx777 » Tue May 13, 2025 9:31 am

I am very suspect on queen. He's 20 and has a lot of growing into his body to do.

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Post#513 » by FAH1223 » Tue May 13, 2025 9:37 am

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CHICAGO — This felt cruel, if you’ve followed the Washington Wizards for any length of time, or know the angst and belief by much of their fan base that the franchise, for some reason, has been cursed. That their team is viewed as unimportant by a league that dotes on its glamour teams, and which never bestows upon Washington through its NBA Lottery the kind of difference-making player who can change the long-term fortunes of the franchise. That no one in Olympic Tower seems to know the Wizards exist.

Sitting amid several Wizards folk at McCormick Place on Monday, in the ballroom in which this year’s lottery was held — and mere feet from Cooper Flagg, the certain No. 1 pick, in attendance with other draft prospects at the NBA Draft Combine this week — the 6 p.m. local hour here began with giddy enthusiasm. Bub Carrington’s family looked at its charge, sitting on stage, representing the team that took him 14th a year ago. Assorted Wizards staffers were in the row as well, working their phones, waiting for that moment when Washington would finally get the adrenaline boost it desperately needed.

In 1992, the Wizards — then, the Bullets — had the fifth-best lottery odds, with seven of the then-66 ping-pong balls with their name on it, to get Shaquille O’Neal, the monster center prospect from LSU, and the consensus pick to go No. 1. Or, if Washington couldn’t get the top pick, it could take the hometown hero, Georgetown center Alonzo Mourning, at No. 2, allowing Mourning to play on the same Capital Centre/USAirways court his Hoyas called home.

Instead, Orlando, with 10 of the 66 balls, got its wish – and the Big Diesel was Magic Kingdom-bound. And Charlotte, which only had four balls, jumped over Washington, to two, and picked Mourning. Minnesota, which had the highest odds with 11 balls, got the third pick, Christian Laettner.

Washington fell … to sixth.

Hey, Tom Gugliotta, how you doin’?

The next year, 1993, Washington had the third-highest odds to get No. 1, with nine balls in the hopper, just behind Dallas, which had 11 balls, and Minnesota, with 10. In ’93, the big prize was one of Michigan’s Chris Webber or Memphis’ Penny Hardaway, both massive talents. The kind of guys around whom you can build franchises. That year, Orlando, which had gotten Shaq the year before, had just one of the 66 ping-pong balls. That gave the Magic, exactly, a .0151515152 percent chance at the top pick, the lowest odds of any team in the lottery.

Oh, come on. You know what happened.

Philadelphia, which had the same seven balls in ’93 that Washington had in ’92, jumped over Washington to second. And Golden State, with the seventh-highest odds, also leaped over the Bullets to grab third. Orlando took Webber, but then traded his rights to Golden State for the draft rights to Hardaway, along with three future first-round picks.

Meanwhile, Washington fell to … sixth.

Calbert Cheaney, come on down.

Yes, the Bullets, amazingly, wound up with Webber a year later, and also added Juwan Howard and Rasheed Wallace within the next couple of years. But … we know how that worked out.

(I’m not gonna even get into Jan Vesely. Yeah. Sixth, 2011.)

There was absolutely nothing wrong with either Guggs or Cheaney, each of whom had solid pro careers. They just weren’t … Shaq or ‘Zo or CWebb or Penny. And there will be nothing wrong with Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel or Derik Queen or Carter Bryant or anyone the Wizards take … sixth … if they keep the pick. They just won’t be Flagg or Dylan Harper. You win big in the NBA with Flaggs and Harpers. The Mavs, which were in the finals last year, but then proceeded to blowtorch the goodwill of most of their fan base by trading Luka Dončić (taken third, in 2018) to the Lakers, are going to win big, again, soon, with Cooper Flagg and Anthony Davis (first, 2012 draft) and Kyrie Irving (first, 2011), even if he’s not quite as electric post-ACL injury, leading the way.

Washington will not win big, soon. Not at this rate.

“We started the day with zero, and we walked away with six, and that’s the mindset we had going in,” GM Will Dawkins said.

And no, I’m not gonna say he was spinning or deflecting or anything. He was crestfallen. That any coherent sentence came out of his mouth was a victory.

There’s no sugarcoating this. This was a disastrous night for the Wizards, in an epoch of seemingly never-ending disasters — some man-made (see Webber to Kings, above), others a matter of bad luck. You could talk about the Celtics taking Larry Bird sixth in 1978, taken while he had a year of college eligibility remaining at Indiana State, or Damian Lillard, or Lenny Wilkens, or Adrian Dantley, or some of the other really good No. 6 picks through NBA history.

Or, you could call Mavs’ GM Nico Harrison, whose “Revenge Tour of the Texas Lowcountry and Other Lone Star Environs that Doubted Him” will be merciless and slow-moving, and see if he’d like to exchange one for six and 18. When the laughter subsides, let us know.

“The important piece is, when we came in, we knew there was a 50 percent chance that you’re getting five or six,” Dawkins said. “So you’re going into the lottery odds knowing that that’s most likely where you’re going to be. And it’s a game of chance.

“But, like you said, this rebuild that we’re on, we’re still in the beginning phases of it. There will be more and more rewards at the end of the tunnel, but I think six is where we’re at right now, and we’ll be able to use it, and we’ll make the team better.”

But that wasn’t the point of slogging through an 18-64 season. Everyone understood what this season was: as ethical a tank as possible, to have the best possible chance to add a young superstar that could reignite a base that’s been waiting (he says, again, into the void) for more than four decades to again be relevant. To again be featured on national TV. To again play in front of sellout crowds, not because a superstar from another team is in D.C. playing, but because the Wizards have their very own superstar, their own ticket- and jersey-selling machine, their own supernova who can attract other stars to come to town.

Their own hope.

But, once more, the most patient and woebegone fans in the history of this league have to wait again, while the Mavericks’ and Spurs’ fan bases again exult. It’s not that the cruelty is the point, but that the cruelty seems to have no bottom.
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Post#514 » by FAH1223 » Tue May 13, 2025 9:51 am

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6. Washington Wizards
Derik Queen | 6-10 big | 20 years old |Maryland

Wizards general manager Will Dawkins comes from the Oklahoma City school of getting guys who can dribble, pass and shoot as well as make decisions. Queen has many of those skills and averaged nearly 17 points, nine rebounds and two assists as a freshman at Maryland. He’s been exceptionally productive at every stage of his career, and he has real offensive talent that should lead to him putting up real numbers in the NBA.

Queen is also from the DMV area and is the kind of personality that this team could use as it looks to take the next step forward. I also love the fit of Queen next to Alex Sarr, as Sarr’s struggles to rebound would be helped immensely by Queen’s positional play on the interior, while still allowing the team to play with some fun five-out concepts. Sarr’s ability to protect the rim from the weak side would also help Queen’s play on the interior defensively, too. This is a fun match.

18. Washington Wizards (via MEM)
Egor Demin | 6-9 guard | 19 years old | BYU

Dawkins comes from the Oklahoma City Thunder school, and he’s tended to select players with similar attributes to what the Thunder value. They love players with plus positional size, skill level, processing ability and character attributes. This is the same organization that selected bigger guards in Josh Giddey and Nikola Topić over their time, with Topić coming after Dawkins departed. Demin fits the billing. He’s a 6-9 guard who can play the point and is the best passer in the class. His vision is sublime. But he struggled to score this year. He struggled to get paint touches because his handle is not particularly developed yet, and he doesn’t have the threat of the jumper to fall back on, having made under 30 percent from distance. Still, many teams think they can fix the jumper, and if so, it would open up the rest of his game as a passer and playmaker. I’m a bit lower on Demin than this, but I’d put his range from the late lottery to No. 22 or so.
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CHICAGO — This felt cruel, if you’ve followed the Washington Wizards for any length of time, or know the angst and belief by much of their fan base that the franchise, for some reason, has been cursed. That their team is viewed as unimportant by a league that dotes on its glamour teams, and which never bestows upon Washington through its NBA Lottery the kind of difference-making player who can change the long-term fortunes of the franchise. That no one in Olympic Tower seems to know the Wizards exist.

Sitting amid several Wizards folk at McCormick Place on Monday, in the ballroom in which this year’s lottery was held — and mere feet from Cooper Flagg, the certain No. 1 pick, in attendance with other draft prospects at the NBA Draft Combine this week — the 6 p.m. local hour here began with giddy enthusiasm. Bub Carrington’s family looked at its charge, sitting on stage, representing the team that took him 14th a year ago. Assorted Wizards staffers were in the row as well, working their phones, waiting for that moment when Washington would finally get the adrenaline boost it desperately needed.

In 1992, the Wizards — then, the Bullets — had the fifth-best lottery odds, with seven of the then-66 ping-pong balls with their name on it, to get Shaquille O’Neal, the monster center prospect from LSU, and the consensus pick to go No. 1. Or, if Washington couldn’t get the top pick, it could take the hometown hero, Georgetown center Alonzo Mourning, at No. 2, allowing Mourning to play on the same Capital Centre/USAirways court his Hoyas called home.

Instead, Orlando, with 10 of the 66 balls, got its wish – and the Big Diesel was Magic Kingdom-bound. And Charlotte, which only had four balls, jumped over Washington, to two, and picked Mourning. Minnesota, which had the highest odds with 11 balls, got the third pick, Christian Laettner.

Washington fell … to sixth.

Hey, Tom Gugliotta, how you doin’?

The next year, 1993, Washington had the third-highest odds to get No. 1, with nine balls in the hopper, just behind Dallas, which had 11 balls, and Minnesota, with 10. In ’93, the big prize was one of Michigan’s Chris Webber or Memphis’ Penny Hardaway, both massive talents. The kind of guys around whom you can build franchises. That year, Orlando, which had gotten Shaq the year before, had just one of the 66 ping-pong balls. That gave the Magic, exactly, a .0151515152 percent chance at the top pick, the lowest odds of any team in the lottery.

Oh, come on. You know what happened.

Philadelphia, which had the same seven balls in ’93 that Washington had in ’92, jumped over Washington to second. And Golden State, with the seventh-highest odds, also leaped over the Bullets to grab third. Orlando took Webber, but then traded his rights to Golden State for the draft rights to Hardaway, along with three future first-round picks.

Meanwhile, Washington fell to … sixth.

Calbert Cheaney, come on down.

Yes, the Bullets, amazingly, wound up with Webber a year later, and also added Juwan Howard and Rasheed Wallace within the next couple of years. But … we know how that worked out.

(I’m not gonna even get into Jan Vesely. Yeah. Sixth, 2011.)

There was absolutely nothing wrong with either Guggs or Cheaney, each of whom had solid pro careers. They just weren’t … Shaq or ‘Zo or CWebb or Penny. And there will be nothing wrong with Tre Johnson or Kon Knueppel or Derik Queen or Carter Bryant or anyone the Wizards take … sixth … if they keep the pick. They just won’t be Flagg or Dylan Harper. You win big in the NBA with Flaggs and Harpers. The Mavs, which were in the finals last year, but then proceeded to blowtorch the goodwill of most of their fan base by trading Luka Dončić (taken third, in 2018) to the Lakers, are going to win big, again, soon, with Cooper Flagg and Anthony Davis (first, 2012 draft) and Kyrie Irving (first, 2011), even if he’s not quite as electric post-ACL injury, leading the way.

Washington will not win big, soon. Not at this rate.

“We started the day with zero, and we walked away with six, and that’s the mindset we had going in,” GM Will Dawkins said.

And no, I’m not gonna say he was spinning or deflecting or anything. He was crestfallen. That any coherent sentence came out of his mouth was a victory.

There’s no sugarcoating this. This was a disastrous night for the Wizards, in an epoch of seemingly never-ending disasters — some man-made (see Webber to Kings, above), others a matter of bad luck. You could talk about the Celtics taking Larry Bird sixth in 1978, taken while he had a year of college eligibility remaining at Indiana State, or Damian Lillard, or Lenny Wilkens, or Adrian Dantley, or some of the other really good No. 6 picks through NBA history.

Or, you could call Mavs’ GM Nico Harrison, whose “Revenge Tour of the Texas Lowcountry and Other Lone Star Environs that Doubted Him” will be merciless and slow-moving, and see if he’d like to exchange one for six and 18. When the laughter subsides, let us know.

“The important piece is, when we came in, we knew there was a 50 percent chance that you’re getting five or six,” Dawkins said. “So you’re going into the lottery odds knowing that that’s most likely where you’re going to be. And it’s a game of chance.

“But, like you said, this rebuild that we’re on, we’re still in the beginning phases of it. There will be more and more rewards at the end of the tunnel, but I think six is where we’re at right now, and we’ll be able to use it, and we’ll make the team better.”

But that wasn’t the point of slogging through an 18-64 season. Everyone understood what this season was: as ethical a tank as possible, to have the best possible chance to add a young superstar that could reignite a base that’s been waiting (he says, again, into the void) for more than four decades to again be relevant. To again be featured on national TV. To again play in front of sellout crowds, not because a superstar from another team is in D.C. playing, but because the Wizards have their very own superstar, their own ticket- and jersey-selling machine, their own supernova who can attract other stars to come to town.

Their own hope.

But, once more, the most patient and woebegone fans in the history of this league have to wait again, while the Mavericks’ and Spurs’ fan bases again exult. It’s not that the cruelty is the point, but that the cruelty seems to have no bottom.


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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#516 » by closg00 » Tue May 13, 2025 10:19 am

:onfire: The fan base has the pitchforks out, there will be no going back from them believing this was rigged.
I could have lived with this had the Mavericks and Spurs not gotten 1 & 2, still shocked and depressed.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#517 » by nate33 » Tue May 13, 2025 11:30 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:At 6 I'll take Carter Bryant thank you.






At 18 I'll be happy with any of Sorber, Fleming, Asa Newell, or Drake Powell.
Jan Vesley vibe. Yeah, he's athletic and long.

This dude has done nothing over time.

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/article_bc522175-515d-4986-896e-e85d5843a088.html

He's going to take years to contribute off the bench.

I think he might be a good role player, but I wouldn’t take him at #6. The guy averages 6.5 points!
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#518 » by DCZards » Tue May 13, 2025 12:23 pm

Knew going into the draft that we had a greater chance of drafting 6th than 1 or 2 so can’t say I was surprised at the outcome. Disappointed. Absolutely! But not surprised. Oh well.

Who we taking with our 6th and 18th pick?

I want Tre Johnson at 6 if he’s there and maybe Flemming or Bryant at 18.
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Re: 2025 Draft Thread - Part 2 

Post#519 » by tontoz » Tue May 13, 2025 12:41 pm

nate33 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:At 6 I'll take Carter Bryant thank you.


At 18 I'll be happy with any of Sorber, Fleming, Asa Newell, or Drake Powell.
Jan Vesley vibe. Yeah, he's athletic and long.

This dude has done nothing over time.

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/article_bc522175-515d-4986-896e-e85d5843a088.html

He's going to take years to contribute off the bench.

I think he might be a good role player, but I wouldn’t take him at #6. The guy averages 6.5 points!


To be fair he scored as much as Kyshawn per minute. He's deaf so that may have been an issue with his playing time.

4 stocks per 40 definitely has my attention. His standing reach is only a half inch less than Flagg.
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Post#520 » by payitforward » Tue May 13, 2025 1:23 pm

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thebigE wrote:How long do you give the DSW FO to turn it around? Seems it’s getting late early as they say.

Couldn't disagree more. We've just started.

So tell me what DSW have done. I don’t see it.
Accumulating draft picks. Anything else?

Of course you "see it." You see the same thing we all see.

Just shy of two years ago, these guys took over a team that had, literally, nothing of value on its roster. We had one declining player with an established history of productivity in the league, Brad, & the previous FO had destroyed his trade value by giving him a quarter billion dollar contract with a no-trade clause. We had another guy with a ton of talent but who'd been injured much of his career & had, in any case, decided to opt out of his contract & become a FA.

We wound up getting a ton of draft capital for Brad, & if you're critical of that trade -- well... feel free to point to other possibilities.

Ditto the subsequent trade of CP3 to the Warriors, which was an absolute steal on our part! After all, what did GS get for Chris Paul? Do you know? Answer: nothing. That could have been us.

If you're critical of Will's work in the '23 & '24 drafts, feel free to point out where you floated even a single interesting idea for either of those two drafts. Or at least tell us whom they should have drafted. In retrospect.

We can argue about the Deni trade, but it's easy to defend whether you like it or not.

For the rest, it's been accumulating young talent at low cost: I think they've done a terrific job getting Justin Champagnie, AJ Johnson, Colby Jones, Jaylen Martin -- all of them for, essentially, nothing.

If you don't like the fact that it takes 4 or 5 years, at least, to rebuild a team that has no tradable players, well... I don't blame you! I don't like it either! :)

But... it's a fact of life. OKC had the 4th worst record in the league in '20-21 -- & they already had SG-A!!

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