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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#141 » by JustBuzzin » Sat May 17, 2025 5:09 pm

yosemiteben wrote:The Spurs are not gonna do that. I don't think any team trades their second year guy who was a top 5 pick, ROY, and by all accounts who they really like to roll the dice on another draft pick.

That might be true, but it depends on how they feel about Harper. They might like the idea of Fox/Harper backcourt and getting a wing like Bailey might be a better fit.

They also wanted Salaun last year with their 2nd lottery pick.

I think they would seriously entertain it. It would have to be on draft night tho, no way they do this without knowing if Ace is on the board at #4.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#142 » by amcoolio » Sat May 17, 2025 5:48 pm

I would not trade the #4 for Castle. Comeon now.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#143 » by JustBuzzin » Sat May 17, 2025 6:01 pm

amcoolio wrote:I would not trade the #4 for Castle. Comeon now.

You must be super down on Castle.

He's better than VJ and Bailey as a prospect imo.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#144 » by amcoolio » Sat May 17, 2025 6:07 pm

Castle is not better than either of those as prospects. Not even Fears. After that...okay you can talk me in.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#145 » by amcoolio » Sat May 17, 2025 6:09 pm

I'm all for trading the #4 and getting some good players around LaMelo/Miller/Miles/Williams but Castle ain't it. Derrick White..Darius Garland...sure
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#146 » by HornetJail » Sat May 17, 2025 6:14 pm

as i said on the trade board, Fox would be a better return for that pick than Castle, but we'd need to know that Fox would re-sign with us

Castle isn't actually very good yet
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#147 » by vexco » Sun May 18, 2025 1:53 am

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amcoolio wrote:I would not trade the #4 for Castle. Comeon now.

You must be super down on Castle.

He's better than VJ and Bailey as a prospect imo.


#4 in this draft is worth more than Castle. No idea how you think Castle is a better prospect than VJ or Bailey.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#148 » by JustBuzzin » Sun May 18, 2025 3:07 am

vexco wrote:
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amcoolio wrote:I would not trade the #4 for Castle. Comeon now.

You must be super down on Castle.

He's better than VJ and Bailey as a prospect imo.


#4 in this draft is worth more than Castle. No idea how you think Castle is a better prospect than VJ or Bailey.

Because he is lol

People have their preferences. I'm not even high on VJ tbh. Yes I prefer Castle over Bailey. Castle was much more pro ready coming out of college. Bailey is talented, but he's much more raw as a prospect. His lack of handle kind of limits his potential to a certain extent. Castle already had an all-around game coming out of college the only question was his jumpshot.

If you been following me you should know I have always been super high on Castle.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#149 » by Bassman » Sun May 18, 2025 1:18 pm

Lwcasu wrote:Realistically I see three options heading into the draft. A). VJ (all dependent on if Philly takes him or trades the pick to another team that takes him. B). Ace. Same as above. C). Trade the pick for a win now gamble. And, in a win now gamble I really only see two trades that might happen.

The team does something like a pick swap with NO for Zion and throws in the Dallas pick + Bridges/salary. I don’t like this option but I could understand why. The trade option I’d understand more is seeing if we could obtain KD. All these options carry significant risk but this one from a business stand point makes short-term sense. Similar trade package to Phx. We might have to give up more but ultimately you’re banking on Ball/Miller/KD going on a deep playoff run in the east. KD might also pull another decent player to join the team in FA.

The way I see it is, if we aren’t a playoff team soon Ball is going to ask for a trade. And at that point we are resetting anyways.


Your idea around Zion intrigues me, but not the one for KD. Swapping picks, giving them our future Dallas pick (which will likely be a very late rounder), plus Miles and salary like Green, would bring us the high powered vet in his prime we talk about using these picks for (albeit a risky move being Zion), while still giving us pick 7 for acquiring one of Fears, Knipple, or Tre. If none of them were there could still take a flyer on someone like Carter Bryant or Demin…or trade back with the Nets for two picks in the first.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#150 » by vexco » Sun May 18, 2025 3:02 pm

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vexco wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:You must be super down on Castle.

He's better than VJ and Bailey as a prospect imo.


#4 in this draft is worth more than Castle. No idea how you think Castle is a better prospect than VJ or Bailey.

Because he is lol

People have their preferences. I'm not even high on VJ tbh. Yes I prefer Castle over Bailey. Castle was much more pro ready coming out of college. Bailey is talented, but he's much more raw as a prospect. His lack of handle kind of limits his potential to a certain extent. Castle already had an all-around game coming out of college the only question was his jumpshot.

If you been following me you should know I have always been super high on Castle.


Castle is a bad shooter and won ROY because the class last year was pretty dog **** all around(for now). Castle has a higher floor, both VJ and Bailey have higher ceilings. VJ's athleticism alone is enough to separate him, imo. He's a comparable defender and shooter right now. VJ can just pressure the defense in a way Castle can't because of his explosiveness.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#151 » by JustBuzzin » Sun May 18, 2025 3:34 pm

vexco wrote:
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#4 in this draft is worth more than Castle. No idea how you think Castle is a better prospect than VJ or Bailey.

Because he is lol

People have their preferences. I'm not even high on VJ tbh. Yes I prefer Castle over Bailey. Castle was much more pro ready coming out of college. Bailey is talented, but he's much more raw as a prospect. His lack of handle kind of limits his potential to a certain extent. Castle already had an all-around game coming out of college the only question was his jumpshot.

If you been following me you should know I have always been super high on Castle.


Castle is a bad shooter and won ROY because the class last year was pretty dog **** all around(for now). Castle has a higher floor, both VJ and Bailey have higher ceilings. VJ's athleticism alone is enough to separate him, imo. He's a comparable defender and shooter right now. VJ can just pressure the defense in a way Castle can't because of his explosiveness.

Drafting a guy with a top 5 pick because he's athletic and plays defense is crazy.

Especially when this team lacks talent. Everyone selling VJ as a role player best fit kind of pick. We need a lot more than someone who's athletic and plays defense.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#152 » by vexco » Sun May 18, 2025 8:18 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
vexco wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Because he is lol

People have their preferences. I'm not even high on VJ tbh. Yes I prefer Castle over Bailey. Castle was much more pro ready coming out of college. Bailey is talented, but he's much more raw as a prospect. His lack of handle kind of limits his potential to a certain extent. Castle already had an all-around game coming out of college the only question was his jumpshot.

If you been following me you should know I have always been super high on Castle.


Castle is a bad shooter and won ROY because the class last year was pretty dog **** all around(for now). Castle has a higher floor, both VJ and Bailey have higher ceilings. VJ's athleticism alone is enough to separate him, imo. He's a comparable defender and shooter right now. VJ can just pressure the defense in a way Castle can't because of his explosiveness.

Drafting a guy with a top 5 pick because he's athletic and plays defense is crazy.

Especially when this team lacks talent. Everyone selling VJ as a role player best fit kind of pick. We need a lot more than someone who's athletic and plays defense.


Then why do you want castle? Because hes athletic and plays defense? Similar players with 1 having more explosiveness(VJ) and 1 year longer on rookie deal.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#153 » by fatlever » Mon May 19, 2025 7:12 pm

if you had to invent a fair and logical trade between cha-lac-sas with melo going to lac and #2 going to hornets, what would it look like?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#154 » by HornetJail » Mon May 19, 2025 7:14 pm

fatlever wrote:if you had to invent a fair and logical trade between cha-lac-sas with melo going to lac and #2 going to hornets, what would it look like?

doesn't exist because the Clippers have nothing that would interest either us or the Spurs enough to trade Melo there. Requires some 4th win now team that would value Kawhi or Harden to a ridiculous degree
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#155 » by fatlever » Mon May 19, 2025 7:21 pm

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fatlever wrote:if you had to invent a fair and logical trade between cha-lac-sas with melo going to lac and #2 going to hornets, what would it look like?

doesn't exist because the Clippers have nothing that would interest either us or the Spurs enough to trade Melo there. Requires some 4th win now team that would value Kawhi or Harden to a ridiculous degree


I can't really find anything either.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#156 » by HornetJail » Mon May 19, 2025 7:34 pm

fatlever wrote:
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fatlever wrote:if you had to invent a fair and logical trade between cha-lac-sas with melo going to lac and #2 going to hornets, what would it look like?

doesn't exist because the Clippers have nothing that would interest either us or the Spurs enough to trade Melo there. Requires some 4th win now team that would value Kawhi or Harden to a ridiculous degree


I can't really find anything either.

it's either Lonzo talking out of his neck or someone's going to get bent over badly in a trade
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#157 » by JustBuzzin » Mon May 19, 2025 7:36 pm

fatlever wrote:if you had to invent a fair and logical trade between cha-lac-sas with melo going to lac and #2 going to hornets, what would it look like?

The only logical trade is they trade Harden to a 3rd team and the pieces from the 3rd team comes to us.

Even then who's giving up real value for a 36yr old Harden?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#158 » by JMAC3 » Mon May 19, 2025 8:08 pm

I wouldn't trade #4 for Castle. Honestly, if I were Spurs I would cash in on Castle right now, his stock might never be high this again.

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Shot 47% efg. Once Fox was ruled out for the year, Wemby already out for the year. Castle was handed the keys to put up big numbers, chuck and win ROY. Spurs were playing a lot better with him on the bench over the final 20 games because of the way he was playing, his net rating was awful compared to the rest of the team during that span as he was stat sheet stuffing and award chasing.

All that said, of course I would rather have Castle over Salaun, but I would rather roll the dice on a new player than try to fix one with shooting flaw who probably thinks he is much better than he actually is.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#159 » by fatlever » Mon May 19, 2025 9:53 pm

sros Had an interesting trade idea for the Sixers with them leaning towards more of a win now move and moving back to draft more they win now player

#3 oubre/drummond to nets for #8, #27 and cam johnson
nets took ace at 3

hornets took vj
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Re: Fake Trade Thread #7 

Post#160 » by Liver_Pooty » Tue May 20, 2025 7:09 pm

Watching inside the nba yesterday they talked about how desperately the warriors need a center. Wonder if the front office would reach out to GS for a Mark/Kuminga swap.

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