2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[zaz102]

Just stumbled upon this little gem, it provides high school data.

https://www.maxpreps.com/

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This link has bio's for a lot of the guys we're looking at and how they did in H.S. (including some for next year's draft).

https://www.maxpreps.com/news/SmnOJqiXKEqtAV0mqf7K2A/2023-24-maxpreps-all-america-team-dylan-harper-of-don-bosco-prep-headlines-high-school-basketballs-best.htm

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6-8 | Wing | Senior | Rutgers signee
Regarded as the No. 2 prospect in the Class of 2024 according to 247Sports, Bailey averaged 32.5 points, 15.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists and 2.4 blocks per contest against a schedule that included nine nationally-ranked foes. Bailey piled up 40 or more points and 19 or more rebounds in the same game three times and led the Indians (26-6) to the No. 13 spot in the final MaxPreps Top 25.

Good find. I'll tap into this. Those numbers are monstrous lol

From the same site it talks about his free throw percentage senior year (89.7%). Not sure how reliable this site is though.

https://www.maxpreps.com/news/fAzkdnZbe0-lhLaL2N4pCQ/high-school-basketball-ace-bailey%2c-cooper-flagg-headline-maxpreps-national-player-of-the-year-watch-list.htm#:~:text=Bailey%20is%20shooting%2053.5%20percent,from%20the%20free%20throw%20line.

[stormi]

Just stumbled upon this little gem, it provides high school data.

https://www.maxpreps.com/

::EDIT::

This link has bio's for a lot of the guys we're looking at and how they did in H.S. (including some for next year's draft).

https://www.maxpreps.com/news/SmnOJqiXKEqtAV0mqf7K2A/2023-24-maxpreps-all-america-team-dylan-harper-of-don-bosco-prep-headlines-high-school-basketballs-best.htm

::EDIT EDIT::

6-8 | Wing | Senior | Rutgers signee
Regarded as the No. 2 prospect in the Class of 2024 according to 247Sports, Bailey averaged 32.5 points, 15.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists and 2.4 blocks per contest against a schedule that included nine nationally-ranked foes. Bailey piled up 40 or more points and 19 or more rebounds in the same game three times and led the Indians (26-6) to the No. 13 spot in the final MaxPreps Top 25.

Good find. I'll tap into this. Those numbers are monstrous lol

From the same site it talks about his free throw percentage senior year (89.7%). Not sure how reliable this site is though.

https://www.maxpreps.com/news/fAzkdnZbe0-lhLaL2N4pCQ/high-school-basketball-ace-bailey%2c-cooper-flagg-headline-maxpreps-national-player-of-the-year-watch-list.htm#:~:text=Bailey%20is%20shooting%2053.5%20percent,from%20the%20free%20throw%20line.

I'll try and see if I can find some film of these games.

32/14/3/2/2 on 50/40/90 is really impressive. I've been looking for anything to lean on for some Ace hopium, this could be a start.

[Negrodamus]

https://bsky.app/profile/franciszomes.bsky.social/post/3lpeuitrhgs2e

Vecenie calling Bailey's comments about his weaknesses "insane" lmao.

[zaz102]

Good find. I'll tap into this. Those numbers are monstrous lol

From the same site it talks about his free throw percentage senior year (89.7%). Not sure how reliable this site is though.

https://www.maxpreps.com/news/fAzkdnZbe0-lhLaL2N4pCQ/high-school-basketball-ace-bailey%2c-cooper-flagg-headline-maxpreps-national-player-of-the-year-watch-list.htm#:~:text=Bailey%20is%20shooting%2053.5%20percent,from%20the%20free%20throw%20line.

That's really impressive. I'll try and see if I can find some film of these games.

32/14/3/2/2 on 50/40/90 is really impressive. I've been looking for anything to lean on for some Ace hopium, this could be a start.

I'm trying to find statlines for his high school games and have no idea how to find them lol

[stormi]

https://bsky.app/profile/franciszomes.bsky.social/post/3lpeuitrhgs2e

Vecenie calling Bailey's comments about his weaknesses "insane" lmao.

had no idea franciszomes had migrated over to BSKY, one of the very best aggregators in this fanbase

[Negrodamus]

Jayson shot 85% from FT and the form was pure (I actually liked it better back then than now).

Not saying I don't like Ace's form (I do), but shooting 68% does raise questions about how tight and replicable it is. It's the type of thing that made 65% FT shooting Markelle to make some adjustments to his shot heading into training camp...

From what I heard he had a few bad games to start the season, and then it went back up.

If you remove his two games combining to 4/16, he's a 77% FT shooter, but of course that likely nukes his FTr even more since that's two games of 8 FTA. I'd ask him what happened in those two games for him to shoot 25% from FT.

[eyeatoma]

Watch on YouTube

Bailey 40 points in HS.

[Mik317]

Givony loves Ace

hated Simmons

Ironically because of Ingram who Ace could end up being lol

[eyeatoma]

Givony loves Ace

hated Simmons

Ironically because of Ingram who Ace could end up being lol

Givony has been pretty good on his projections for a long time.

[stormi]

Watch on YouTube

Bailey 40 points in HS.

Ignoring quality of competition

pros: the shotmaking was impressive especially 2:26, 2:38 and the heat check at 2:58 / the defensive paint impact
cons: The handle is frightening / forced to live off of contested shotmaking

Odd player

[Mik317]

you are banking on whoever we take being in a different than normal situation from most top picks (all 3 teams in the top 3 actually) in that they can come in and learn the ropes as the 3rd option on the floor at all times. Ace's issues as a self creator or bad first step or just dumb shot selection is lessened due to him not being the main focus right away and IDEALLY he can focus on being a spot up guy who plays defense and rebounds and runs the floor instead of being given free reign to take the worst shots ever lol. VJ's own creation issues is lessened for the same reasons. Tre is a harder sell because you kinda want him to have plays ran for him which Nurse won't do and then you wonder what else he brings. Queen is a guy who you want to get him the ball for his own strengths and I don't think that happens here (think his best spot is the Wizards).

But one thing that I bring this up for is all of the recent wing HITS started their careers off as role players or behind the pecking order...PG had Sixer Legend Danny Granger, Kawhii had the big 3, Tatum gets a lot of press for his early going but had Brown next to him and IT and then Kyrie before truly getting the reigns. Point being it does take time for most wings to develop into THAT GUY status so whoever we take probably will be "just" a 3-D guy for the start of their careers...which points to it being VJ or Ace imo

[eyeatoma]

you are banking on whoever we take being in a different than normal situation from most top picks (all 3 teams in the top 3 actually) in that they can come in and learn the ropes as the 3rd option on the floor at all times. Ace's issues as a self creator or bad first step or just dumb shot selection is lessened due to him not being the main focus right away and IDEALLY he can focus on being a spot up guy who plays defense and rebounds and runs the floor instead of being given free reign to take the worst shots ever lol. VJ's own creation issues is lessened for the same reasons. Tre is a harder sell because you kinda want him to have plays ran for him which Nurse won't do and then you wonder what else he brings. Queen is a guy who you want to get him the ball for his own strengths and I don't think that happens here (think his best spot is the Wizards).

But one thing that I bring this up for is all of the recent wing HITS started their careers off as role players or behind the pecking order...PG had Sixer Legend Danny Granger, Kawhii had the big 3, Tatum gets a lot of press for his early going but had Brown next to him and IT and then Kyrie before truly getting the reigns. Point being it does take time for most wings to develop into THAT GUY status so whoever we take probably will be "just" a 3-D guy for the start of their careers...which points to it being VJ or Ace imo

Then when we go with size, Ace makes more sense especially if Morey wants to toe the line of competing, while also thinking of the future if Embiid's knees can't be magically resurrected.

[Foshan]

Anyone know anything about Ace as a person? Like is he a Maxey happy hard worker? Is he an Ingram (since he was mentioned above) type where he seems in a haze all the time? A Ben Simmons with no fight inside? Any comparisons come to mind?

[Negrodamus]

If I'm making the case for Queen on this team, he's initially off the bench (if Embiid can play) and is the PnR, DHO guy for McCain, Maxey, Grimes who is constantly trying to get them open looks as a rookie. 20 mpg high effort rebounder and good effort on defense. Opportunistic scorer while working on his shot.

I think that's a realistic ask. I don't know if "be prime Robert Covington" is a realistic ask for Ace since he has been a career gunner. Maybe I'm wrong.

VJ could happily be an off ball guard who puts in insane effort, but does he have the upside of a superstar? Doesn't feel likely.

Tre could easily be a role player but I'll eternally be concerned that he's incapable of playing defense at a college level much less an NBA level until he proves otherwise.

[stormi]

If I'm making the case for Queen on this team, he's initially off the bench (if Embiid can play) and is the PnR, DHO guy for McCain, Maxey, Grimes who is constantly trying to get them open looks as a rookie. 20 mpg high effort rebounder and good effort on defense. Opportunistic scorer while working on his shot.

I think that's a realistic ask. I don't know if "be prime Robert Covington" is a realistic ask for Ace since he has been a career gunner. Maybe I'm wrong.

VJ could happily be an off ball guard who puts in insane effort, but does he have the upside of a superstar? Doesn't feel likely.

Tre could easily be a role player but I'll eternally be concerned that he's incapable of playing defense at a college level much less an NBA level until he proves otherwise.

I think VJs upside is sneaky.

Oladipo at one end of his peak if he takes a leap on the ball, Jrue/White at another end of his peak if he turns into an all world 1-4 defensive force / floor spacer / ++ connective passer

Elite shooting Josh Hart as a moderate outcome

There's just too much to like within his film and the numbers. He's a good starter on a championship team.

[stormi]

whatever bro

I need Embiid/George/Maxey healthy next season more than anything so this guy can buy into being a better rebounding Jaden McDaniels. Get in the lab and work on your handle in your free time

Hustle, defense, corner 3s, attacking closeouts

Wiggins 2022 playoff tape on repeat. That's your pathway to being a winning player

[Black Mage]

Anyone know anything about Ace as a person? Like is he a Maxey happy hard worker? Is he an Ingram (since he was mentioned above) type where he seems in a haze all the time? A Ben Simmons with no fight inside? Any comparisons come to mind?

I have been searching hard for anything about his off-court demeanor. I have found almost nothing, good or bad, outside of Harper praising him, but I take that with a grain of salt. If that kind of info could come out it would make me feel so much more at ease if we go Ace.

I don't think he's Ben. Even in high school I saw a couple defensive plays where he's making the block, realizes his teammates are in position to secure the ball before it goes out of bounds or to an opponent and he goes diving to the floor to flip it back to a teammate. I don't see the haze thing either; if he did I don't think he'd be nearly as good as the weak side rim protector and shot blocker.

[zaz102]

Anyone know anything about Ace as a person? Like is he a Maxey happy hard worker? Is he an Ingram (since he was mentioned above) type where he seems in a haze all the time? A Ben Simmons with no fight inside? Any comparisons come to mind?

I have been searching hard for anything about his off-court demeanor. I have found almost nothing, good or bad, outside of Harper praising him, but I take that with a grain of salt. If that kind of info could come out it would make me feel so much more at ease if we go Ace.

I don't think he's Ben. Even in high school I saw a couple defensive plays where he's making the block, realizes his teammates are in position to secure the ball before it goes out of bounds or to an opponent and he goes diving to the floor to flip it back to a teammate. I don't see the haze thing either; if he did I don't think he'd be nearly as good as the weak side rim protector and shot blocker.

Kyle Neubeck said he hasn't heard anything bad about any of the prospects including Ace. He did say that Edgecombe has a reputation of an A+ work ethic/attitude. He wasn't sure one way or the other if any of the other prospects had the same work ethic/attitude.

At the the very least, Ace doesn't seem like a knucklehead or apathetic.

[eyeatoma]

Anyone know anything about Ace as a person? Like is he a Maxey happy hard worker? Is he an Ingram (since he was mentioned above) type where he seems in a haze all the time? A Ben Simmons with no fight inside? Any comparisons come to mind?

Definitely seems to have a personality, which is more brash, but doesn't seem like he's an ****. He';s definitely cocky, so not like Ben or Fultz, or Ingram.

Doesnt' remind me of INgram at all. I think Maxey is 1 of 1, there is basically no one like him in the league personality wise.

[Black Mage]

Found a H.S matchup with Tre and another elite guard. Video focus is dicey.

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Watch on YouTube

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The best part of this video is it actually shows him on defense and what I saw makes me think his Texas defense is the norm. In this game it does look like he's focused on defense; but what I noticed in Texas film showed up in a big way in multiple possessions. The opposing guard was a quick twitch laterally and on several occasions the guard completely blows around Tre who looks like he's on a tape delay in how slow his hips are to respond to change from leaning on direction to going back in the other direction.

I'm becoming more certain that Tre's defense is going to be a big big issue that may not be fixable because it isn't a focus issue, but a physical limitation. The shooting is intoxicating; but as we've seen with guys like Seth Curry, he'll get played off the court in the playoffs. Can't waste a 3rd overall pick on that kind of player. You also couldn't play Tre with either Maxey or McCain unless you're prepared to have a red carpet laid out to the rim.