The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[thamadkant]

Looking at the potential picks st Pick 3, Ishiba should not even play around and just accept the PG and Pick 3 for KD.

PG to me looks like he took a year off, at worst he is still a good defender. So I'd evaluate him until trade deadline. If he's still not worth his money then trade him to a team who would take him...

Pick 3 is much more desirable for me basically because Suns can get a corner stone player there to build upon.

And I think 76ers will definitely consider it because they are desperate to get to ECF and Finals now that celtics are weaker and main competition is Knicks, Pacers... 76ers would definitely assume KD, Maxey and Embiid would be good enough.

[bullsaficianado]

There is also a reason trading with 76ers benefits the Suns because you ship Durant East and get him out of the West.

[lilfishi22]

I'm fairly confident that George could be moved elsewhere. He's better positionally than Beal, and doesn't have a no trade clause either.

The very simply fact that PG is being talked about in conjunction with the #3 pick goes to show how damn near untradeable he is that Philly needs to attach a top 3 lotto pick just to move on from him.

Eye of the beholder on George man. Again there are bottom feeder teams that can't seem to ever land stars or big name players, and teams with horrible front office management too ( maybe not as bad as ours).....lol.

But there are teams that could still use his production and skillset. And I believe that he could still recoup value only being 35 yrs old in a different situation/ environment. And he doesn't have a NTC too, so we really could trade him anywhere that has interest.


Honestly, you don't think it's possible that any of Charlotte, Chicago, Sacramento, Memphis, or Washington would have interest in him as a big name signing to help try to push them into the playoffs? All have semi bad- bad large salary contracts they could consolidate for him.

He's not nearly as untradable as Beal because he doesn't have a no trade clause. And let's be honest, there's just no logistical way we could compete next season anyways as currently constructed. And without our own picks, the chances we'd see a top 3 pick (outside of this trade) in the next 7- 10 years is very very unlikely.

I don't want George at all, BUT I'd absolutely want that #3 pick to either keep! Use in a trade back scenario for multiple assets! Or to try and trade with the Rockets for our picks back! At least the #10 pick and our 27 or 29 1st back! Also, any team desiring to put together a premium package for Giannis will covet this pick! And that opens doors to possible trades of Beal or George while getting other assets back in the deal too.

Absolutely not. I think it's far more likely a contender (Suns/Philly were exactly that) would move for him because they'll have more use for a guy in his mid-30's but ready to compete and attainable for probably nothing because he has the worst contract in the league right now (imo). Those teams you listed might want a star but are they going to give up cap space for years to come for a 35 year old who is coming off his worst season in the league? Chicago and Memphis I just don't see why they would. Teams are looking at the Suns and Philly as the cautionary tale now of desperate "contenders" that threw caution to the wind to pick up a star (seemingly too easily) and are now saddled with that terrible, untradeable contract.

I can agree Beal's contract is technically more difficult to trade than PG's but not by much because PG has an extra year on his contract, is 3 years older, coming off his worst season in years and that alone will limit teams that would want to trade for him. Both guys have their unique reasons why there will be a very limited number of teams who would even consider trading for them. And it's not like Beal is untradeable simply because he has a NTC, you need to work with him to understand who he's willing to lift the NTC for. It's no different to figuring out that short list of teams who would be willing to take on PG.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who has the worse contract because they are both in the same bucket of untradeable unless you make it worth it for the opposing team. Again, we can debate who is 1 or 2 as the worst contract in the league, what I think we should agree on is we don't want to be saddled with BOTH 1 and 2 and that's a real risk you run if you trade for PG because there's a strong likelihood, we're stuck with him. If it's true that Philly can only move PG if he's packaged with the #3 pick, what hope do we have with no high picks of our own to package him with?

[lilfishi22]

Looking at the potential picks st Pick 3, Ishiba should not even play around and just accept the PG and Pick 3 for KD.

PG to me looks like he took a year off, at worst he is still a good defender. So I'd evaluate him until trade deadline. If he's still not worth his money then trade him to a team who would take him...

Pick 3 is much more desirable for me basically because Suns can get a corner stone player there to build upon.

And I think 76ers will definitely consider it because they are desperate to get to ECF and Finals now that celtics are weaker and main competition is Knicks, Pacers... 76ers would definitely assume KD, Maxey and Embiid would be good enough.

And what if he's just exactly what he is as a 35yo player now? How are you going to move him without a top lotto pick to entice some other sucker to take him on? We were that sucker with Beal and we're at a point now where we're talking about waive/stretching him, leaving $20m black hole in the books for years.

[lilfishi22]

There is also a reason trading with 76ers benefits the Suns because you ship Durant East and get him out of the West.

Why does it matter? It isn't like we're contending anyway

[Ghost of Kleine]

Can we expand this to a three or four team deal? I would send PG to a third team and get back assets.

Yes. There'll be a number of bottom feeder teams that can't ever seem to attract stars or big name players. And George unlike Beal doesn't have a NTC. So we could really send him anywhere we'd need to for pieces and assets.

Which bottom feeder is going to splash that kind of money on a 35 year old PG. The lack of an NTC makes him marginally more attractive only when you compare him to Beal but no one is seriously looking at Beal

Just a few that come to mind are Atlanta (who pursued him around the deadline), Charlotte who hasn't made the playoffs or really landed a big name in almost a decade. And they haven't had a legit big name star talent since LJ back in 92. And BOTH the Hornets and Hawks are desperate to add talent so that their singular star players in Tre Young and Lamelo Ball don't leave/ ask out!

Also Sacramento, Memphis, Washington,
and possibly Chicago (most likely) even though we'd obviously have to take back P Williams contract. Because they're all desperately trying to make the playoffs and be more competitive! Sound familiar? So really any of those teams has potential as a trade partner for George or Beal in a trade back/ trade down scenario man.

Utah is desperate to move up, so what if we traded George or Beal and the 3rd pick for some combination of Collins/ Sexton/ Martin/ 21st pick/ 43rd pick/ LAL 28' 1st/ PHX 31' 1st back. Or maybe just trade them George/ 3rd for Markannen/ 21/ 43/ PHX 31' 1st??

Or maybe trade George/ 3rd pick for..................

Sacramento-
George/ 3rd for DeRozan/ Monk/ Valuncias/ SAC 26'1st/ CHI 25' 2nd (41st pick)/ CHO 27' 2nd.

Charlotte-
George/ 3rd pick for Nurkic expiring/ Bridges/ M Williams/ 33rd pick/ 34th pick/ CHO 27' 1st/ CHO 29' 1st (Top 8 protected)??

Houston-
Beal/ 3rd for J Green/ Sheppard/ Landale/ Whitmore/ 10th pick/ PHX 27' 1st.

Memphis-
George/ 3rd pick for Clarke/ Konchar/ Edey/ GG Jackson/ Wells/ 48th pick/ MEM 27' 1st/ MEM 29' 1st.

Brooklyn-
Cam Johnson/ Clowney/ 19th 26th and 27th picks?

Orlando-
Beal/ Richards/3rd pick for Isaac/ KCP/ Bidatze/ De Silva/ 16th pick/ 25th pick/ORL 28' 1st ( top 10 protected).

Chicago-
George/ Richards/ 3rd pick for Vucevic/ P Williams/ Huerter/ 12th pick/ 45th pick/ POR 26' 1st.

New Orleans-
George/ 3rd for D Murray/ Olynyk/ Hawkins/ Boston/ 26' and 27' Milwaukee 1st (swap rights). ** Then any trade done with Giannis would have to include us for them to get their picks back!

So if Houston trades for Giannis, then Milwaukee can get most of the players, we'd get two back, and we'd get our PHX 1sts back and then give them their firsts back in the three team deal!
** I'd also seek Andre Jackson Jr and Tyler Smith from Milwaukee and Eason and Whitmore from Houston!

[Ghost of Kleine]

The very simply fact that PG is being talked about in conjunction with the #3 pick goes to show how damn near untradeable he is that Philly needs to attach a top 3 lotto pick just to move on from him.

Eye of the beholder on George man. Again there are bottom feeder teams that can't seem to ever land stars or big name players, and teams with horrible front office management too ( maybe not as bad as ours).....lol.

But there are teams that could still use his production and skillset. And I believe that he could still recoup value only being 35 yrs old in a different situation/ environment. And he doesn't have a NTC too, so we really could trade him anywhere that has interest.


Honestly, you don't think it's possible that any of Charlotte, Chicago, Sacramento, Memphis, or Washington would have interest in him as a big name signing to help try to push them into the playoffs? All have semi bad- bad large salary contracts they could consolidate for him.

He's not nearly as untradable as Beal because he doesn't have a no trade clause. And let's be honest, there's just no logistical way we could compete next season anyways as currently constructed. And without our own picks, the chances we'd see a top 3 pick (outside of this trade) in the next 7- 10 years is very very unlikely.

I don't want George at all, BUT I'd absolutely want that #3 pick to either keep! Use in a trade back scenario for multiple assets! Or to try and trade with the Rockets for our picks back! At least the #10 pick and our 27 or 29 1st back! Also, any team desiring to put together a premium package for Giannis will covet this pick! And that opens doors to possible trades of Beal or George while getting other assets back in the deal too.

Absolutely not. I think it's far more likely a contender (Suns/Philly were exactly that) would move for him because they'll have more use for a guy in his mid-30's but ready to compete and attainable for probably nothing because he has the worst contract in the league right now (imo). Those teams you listed might want a star but are they going to give up cap space for years to come for a 35 year old who is coming off his worst season in the league? Chicago and Memphis I just don't see why they would. Teams are looking at the Suns and Philly as the cautionary tale now of desperate "contenders" that threw caution to the wind to pick up a star (seemingly too easily) and are now saddled with that terrible, untradeable contract.

I can agree Beal's contract is technically more difficult to trade than PG's but not by much because PG has an extra year on his contract, is 3 years older, coming off his worst season in years and that alone will limit teams that would want to trade for him. Both guys have their unique reasons why there will be a very limited number of teams who would even consider trading for them. And it's not like Beal is untradeable simply because he has a NTC, you need to work with him to understand who he's willing to lift the NTC for. It's no different to figuring out that short list of teams who would be willing to take on PG.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who has the worse contract because they are both in the same bucket of untradeable unless you make it worth it for the opposing team. Again, we can debate who is 1 or 2 as the worst contract in the league, what I think we should agree on is we don't want to be saddled with BOTH 1 and 2 and that's a real risk you run if you trade for PG because there's a strong likelihood, we're stuck with him. If it's true that Philly can only move PG if he's packaged with the #3 pick, what hope do we have with no high picks of our own to package him with?

But those teams are again as I explained, desperate to add more big name talent and try to either make it into the playoffs and/ or make a deeper run. And obviously they aren't giving up much if any of their cap space when we're salary matching in trade fairly closely if not to the dollar.

Again, Chicago would do it to make it into the playoffs, while getting off P Wills' contract and also getting a top 3 pick! So they (depending upon the specific package sent back), could make the playoffs while also getting another franchise cornerstone piece! And they'd be accomplishing three big moves at once in doing this trade.

And while not blowing all their cap space in the deal because we nearly match salaries being exchanged. So they'd also maintain cap flexibility too. That's multiple wins for them as a young borderline play in team!

And Memphis would absolutely do this because they're desperate to try and be more competitive and not flame out early in the playoffs again!! They have a new coach, new direction and wouldn't be giving up any key pieces here!

Look at their cap space after doing this trade to see that they'd still have significant cap flexibility after with the salaries being exchanged man. Also, consider that they tried to trade for Butler at the deadline, also tried to trade for Draymond Green, and pursued KD mildly!

They're obviously big name hunting...lol. Lastly, George has more size, plays at a more prominent position, and is more versatile at that key position too. And his worst year ever is only a singular year removed from career averages of 20 points/ 5 rebounds/ 3 assists!
And that's during playing on an injured ankle and injured finger ( might have affected his shooting rhythm/ confidence) too.

So that's a distinct possibility that teams could definitely talk themselves into taking a flyer on him, because the much larger sample size speaks to him being a potenyially elite impact player (absent injury possibly).

[Ghost of Kleine]

Would you guys do KD for MPJ+Zeke+Braun+Watson+31FP unprotected?

Or MPJ+Zeke+Watson+Strawther+31FP unprocted+32 swap unprotected?

I'd do either trade, only I have no interest in Watson. Switch him.out with Holmes and everything's good!

I'd do it but I don't see why Denver would. I get MPJ for KD is a serious upgrade for them but giving up depth and I believe the last of their FRP's to do it just wouldn't make sense for them. KD can do a lot of heavy lifting but he can't replace 2 starters, one of whom played well over 40mpg in the playoffs.

They'd likely do it just to keep Jokic from asking out man! You know, keeping your franchise star happy is apparently a big deal to some front offices. And have you seen Jokics' press conference after they got booted from the playoffs:

Read on Twitter

So yeah, The Nuggets ownership are going to look to make significant roster moves to mot lose Jokic. And even as dremille pointed out, they pursued George briefly around the deadline.

So you don't think they'd consider moving maybe Porter Jr ( 38 million) Nnaji (8 million), Watson ( 4 million)= 51 million to get the deal done without even having to give up a pick??

[Ghost of Kleine]

Would you guys do KD for MPJ+Zeke+Braun+Watson+31FP unprotected?

Or MPJ+Zeke+Watson+Strawther+31FP unprocted+32 swap unprotected?

I'd do either trade, only I have no interest in Watson. Switch him.out with Holmes and everything's good!

I'd do it but I don't see why Denver would. I get MPJ for KD is a serious upgrade for them but giving up depth and I believe the last of their FRP's to do it just wouldn't make sense for them. KD can do a lot of heavy lifting but he can't replace 2 starters, one of whom played well over 40mpg in the playoffs.

They do it to satiate Jokic, whilst also setting themselves up for to have significant cap space in 26' after he expires. They don't care about draft picks right now man because they have an MVP level Jokic wanting to contend and just took the best team in the NBA to 7 games in the conference semifinals.

Also, they're already flush with young talent in Braun, Watson, Nnaji, Holmes, Strawther, Tyson, and Pickett. This trade means much more to them in keeping Jokic from getting restless and asking out!

[lilfishi22]

Eye of the beholder on George man. Again there are bottom feeder teams that can't seem to ever land stars or big name players, and teams with horrible front office management too ( maybe not as bad as ours).....lol.

But there are teams that could still use his production and skillset. And I believe that he could still recoup value only being 35 yrs old in a different situation/ environment. And he doesn't have a NTC too, so we really could trade him anywhere that has interest.


Honestly, you don't think it's possible that any of Charlotte, Chicago, Sacramento, Memphis, or Washington would have interest in him as a big name signing to help try to push them into the playoffs? All have semi bad- bad large salary contracts they could consolidate for him.

He's not nearly as untradable as Beal because he doesn't have a no trade clause. And let's be honest, there's just no logistical way we could compete next season anyways as currently constructed. And without our own picks, the chances we'd see a top 3 pick (outside of this trade) in the next 7- 10 years is very very unlikely.

I don't want George at all, BUT I'd absolutely want that #3 pick to either keep! Use in a trade back scenario for multiple assets! Or to try and trade with the Rockets for our picks back! At least the #10 pick and our 27 or 29 1st back! Also, any team desiring to put together a premium package for Giannis will covet this pick! And that opens doors to possible trades of Beal or George while getting other assets back in the deal too.

Absolutely not. I think it's far more likely a contender (Suns/Philly were exactly that) would move for him because they'll have more use for a guy in his mid-30's but ready to compete and attainable for probably nothing because he has the worst contract in the league right now (imo). Those teams you listed might want a star but are they going to give up cap space for years to come for a 35 year old who is coming off his worst season in the league? Chicago and Memphis I just don't see why they would. Teams are looking at the Suns and Philly as the cautionary tale now of desperate "contenders" that threw caution to the wind to pick up a star (seemingly too easily) and are now saddled with that terrible, untradeable contract.

I can agree Beal's contract is technically more difficult to trade than PG's but not by much because PG has an extra year on his contract, is 3 years older, coming off his worst season in years and that alone will limit teams that would want to trade for him. Both guys have their unique reasons why there will be a very limited number of teams who would even consider trading for them. And it's not like Beal is untradeable simply because he has a NTC, you need to work with him to understand who he's willing to lift the NTC for. It's no different to figuring out that short list of teams who would be willing to take on PG.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who has the worse contract because they are both in the same bucket of untradeable unless you make it worth it for the opposing team. Again, we can debate who is 1 or 2 as the worst contract in the league, what I think we should agree on is we don't want to be saddled with BOTH 1 and 2 and that's a real risk you run if you trade for PG because there's a strong likelihood, we're stuck with him. If it's true that Philly can only move PG if he's packaged with the #3 pick, what hope do we have with no high picks of our own to package him with?

But those teams are again as I explained, desperate to add more big name talent and try to either make it into the playoffs and/ or make a deeper run. And obviously they aren't giving up much if any of their cap space when we're salary matching in trade fairly closely if not to the dollar.

Again, Chicago would do it to make it into the playoffs, while getting off P Wills' contract and also getting a top 3 pick! So they (depending upon the specific package sent back), could make the playoffs while also getting another franchise cornerstone piece! And they'd be accomplishing three big moves at once in doing this trade.

And while not blowing all their cap space in the deal because we nearly match salaries being exchanged. So they'd also maintain cap flexibility too. That's multiple wins for them as a young borderline play in team!

And Memphis would absolutely do this because they're desperate to try and be more competitive and not flame out early in the playoffs again!! They have a new coach, new direction and wouldn't be giving up any key pieces here!

Look at their cap space after doing this trade to see that they'd still have significant cap flexibility after with the salaries being exchanged man. Also, consider that they tried to trade for Butler at the deadline, also tried to trade for Draymond Green, and pursued KD mildly!

They're obviously big name hunting...lol. Lastly, George has more size, plays at a more prominent position, and is more versatile at that key position too. And his worst year ever is only a singular year removed from career averages of 20 points/ 5 rebounds/ 3 assists!
And that's during playing on an injured ankle and injured finger ( might have affected his shooting rhythm/ confidence) too.

So that's a distinct possibility that teams could definitely talk themselves into taking a flyer on him, because the much larger sample size speaks to him being a potenyially elite impact player (absent injury possibly).

You're looking at it far too narrowly. Your narrow assessment seems far closer than Ishbia's than you'd admit as it's seemingly just 2 criteria, his player a big name and can he contribute? If it's yes and yes, then they are interested. But you know that isn't close to being the truth because salary implications are more consequential than ever with the aprons and seeing other teams try to "cash in" on big names that ultimately don't pan out and are now sitting with the salary. Beal was that guy, PG was that guy. Big names with big contracts that are bad and at worst untradeable.

Chicago isn't desperate to make playoffs. They aren't one PG away from making playoffs. They just traded away their best player in Lavine for a FRP and salary. They aren't turning 3 of their salaries and combining it into one PG, it makes absolutely no sense. As bad as PWill's contract is, his contract represents such a small % of the salary cap, it doesn't make sense to take on PG and his 30%+ of the salary cap just to move from him.

With Memphis they have 3 big salaries in Bane, Morant and JJJ. JJJ is likely untouchable so it's either Bane or Morant. They could get real assets for Morant that doesn't include being handcuffed to a PG contract. Bane is 27 and averaged 20ppg on good efficiency the last few years, it doesn't cost them taking on PG to move on from Bane (if that's what they wanted).

Teams only listen because there could be a #3 pick on offer and quite honestly, if it wasn't, nobody is taking a Philly call about PG serious because he's one of the worst contracts in the league. A team taking him on better have some good assets to attach to PG if they want to move on from him otherwise they are eating that whole contract.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Paul George and Bradley Beal for $300m?

Surely we could get a young player in the league as good as pick 3 without accumulating $300m of salary dumps.

EG. Stephon Castle (pick 4 last year) and wed be getting extra picks and players.

[sunsbum]

Report: 'Some teams expect' Sixers to consider using No. 3 overall pick to swap Paul George for Kevin Durant

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-news-analysis-2025-nba-mock-draft-rumors-espn-paul-george-contract-kevin-durant-trade-lauri-markkanen/

It's Givony so it's a credible source.

"Some teams expect the Sixers to be active in trade conversations, with names such as Kevin Durant (Phoenix) and Lauri Markkanen (Utah) as potential targets in packages that could include Paul George and the No. 3 pick. Sixers president of basketball operations Daryl Morey has made a career of being active and aggressive on the trade front, but historically, it's rare to see a top-three pick being traded."

That would be an interesting offer for the Suns.

I like Edgecombe who is projected to be #3-#5 in the draft, some similarities with Oladipo/Butler as a two-way player.

If you think the offer as a Paul George + Edgecombe for KD doesn't look bad at all. I don't know if I would do it but looks good enough to think carefully about it.

Can we expand this to a three or four team deal? I would send PG to a third team and get back assets.

what assets do you think we are getting back from that contract lol

[sunsbum]

If we take PG off the sixers hands I’m asking for 3rd AND the 35th pick. I’m then going to Brooklyn and offering the 3rd, 29th and 35th for the 9th, 19th, 26th and 27th. BK does it for Giannis ammo, Phx does it because no explanation needed.

[sasquatchBob]

Taking on another top 3 worst contract in the league sounds like a great idea

[bullsaficianado]

If we take PG off the sixers hands I’m asking for 3rd AND the 35th pick. I’m then going to Brooklyn and offering the 3rd, 29th and 35th for the 9th, 19th, 26th and 27th. BK does it for Giannis ammo, Phx does it because no explanation needed.

That defeats the purpose of the trade than. The whole point to trade KD to Sixers and take on the PG contract is the #3 pick which will likely be Ace Bailey. I don't think the 76ers though will be stupid enough to do this. Turning Durant into the #3 pick in this NBA draft is likely the best the Suns can do.

[bullsaficianado]

I don't know why but I just have a feeling Jokic will wind up on the Lakers at some point and play with Luka.

[garrick]

Taking on another top 3 worst contract in the league sounds like a great idea

It's also putting everything on hitting on the #3 spot and I just don't have faith that the Suns will make the right pick here, it's much less pressure drafting outside the lottery where you can take a low ceiling player but much different here and a lot of teams make bad picks all the time.

Then if we flub on the #3 pick we are stuck with one of the worst contracts in the league on a much longer deal than KD's. It's too risky for my liking.

[Saberestar]

Gambo about the new HC:

Four top candidates that has impressed by now:

• Quinn. Terrific in his interview. Gambo said that he will be shocked if he isn't in the final round.

• Sweeney. Defensive coach. First assistant for so many years.

• Nori. He usually wins the press conference. Smart. First assistant for so many years.

• Ott. Upcoming coach. He has ties with Michigan State. 2nd assistant on the Cavs.

He hasn't heard anything good or bad about Bryant, Hetzel or Bliss.

Fizdale and Borrego are long-shots but he can't rule them out yet.

[bullsaficianado]

Taking on another top 3 worst contract in the league sounds like a great idea

It's also putting everything on hitting on the #3 spot and I just don't have faith that the Suns will make the right pick here, it's much less pressure drafting outside the lottery where you can take a low ceiling player but much different here and a lot of teams make bad picks all the time.

Then if we flub on the #3 pick we are stuck with one of the worst contracts in the league on a much longer deal than KD's. It's too risky for my liking.

Don't worry I don't think the 76ers will be stupid enough to do it.

[Rebound Mound]

I do not see the point in getting the number 3 if you are not going to demolish the team. What could be the reasons to exchange a 37 YO KD for a 35 YO PG that has two more contract years than KD and seems to be, suddenly, is far worse conditions...???

I would try to do this, if attainable...

PG and number 3 to Utah
Markannen to Phoenix
KD to Philly

What ese could the Jazz need to accept receiving PG?
In a year 98 million dollars will come off the books for them.