2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 1

[Kobewade11]

No thought about the tax or the cap in this deal. Just fandom fodder. This guy Anthony is just joe schmo fan no different then any of you guys coming up with a trade idea.

Durant and Holiday’s contract along with Bam’s increase and Herro’s extension would leave us well over the tax and a bunch of random minimum player’s. This is fantasy trade stuff. You toss in Duncan and you lose all cap flexibility to sign anyone unless you really expect Micky for the first time in franchise history to venture into repeater tax.

Repeater tax is basically giving away free money. If we go 8 million over the tax line and stay in repeater and first apron that’a like 24 million for a bunch of random minimum type players. Not even during the big 3 era was this even a thought.

There’s two sides to this NBA stuff but many forget to venture in the real business side of things. Anyone can use a trade checker and make a deal happen but does it really make sense when all things factored? Most likely not.

If we end up trading for Durant we are not adding another big salary but yet using what could be potentially 20 million if Duncan is not included in trade to build out the roster with proper depth. Keep in mind 8.9 million of that is probably already ear marked to Mitchell. Maybe another smaller trade is made but most likely for a salary that’s flexible. Not a Holliday type contract.

Correct. Adding KD means no other significant additions beyond Mitchell. We’d basically be hoping a quality free agent or two gets some bad advice from their agent like Caleb Martin and has to settle for a minimum contract.

[RexBoyWonder]

That Jrue contract is awful. I wouldn’t touch it unless we’re getting compensated to.

Some in this board are suckers for old big names that are semi washed, overpaid and about to fall of a cliff.

Lowry taught them nothing, now they want Jrue Holiday..SMH

Hell, they'll sell our entire future for KD.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Buckle up for Derozan folks

Pat's whale

Cynicism aside, can anyone explain why there would be interest in Derozan? If Jimmy’s a clear tier below KD, which he is, Derozan is a tier below Jimmy. Not sure why Barry is pumping that name and yes there was interest in the past but with a different iteration of this team.

Barry has become an arm of 5 reasons and is looking for hits. Holliday’a contract is not good, Prozingis contract is something the Celtics are probably looking to dump on a cap space team like BK, and DeRozan makes absolutely zero sense with his non three point shooting and our big front court. His contract also extends past 2026 much like Wiggins PO so it’s not like we get salary relief either. Better off going after players like Sexton and John Collins on one year tryout deals.

[MettaWorldPanda]

No thought about the tax or the cap in this deal. Just fandom fodder. This guy Anthony is just joe schmo fan no different then any of you guys coming up with a trade idea.

Durant and Holiday’s contract along with Bam’s increase and Herro’s extension would leave us well over the tax and a bunch of random minimum player’s. This is fantasy trade stuff. You toss in Duncan and you lose all cap flexibility to sign anyone unless you really expect Micky for the first time in franchise history to venture into repeater tax.

Repeater tax is basically giving away free money. If we go 8 million over the tax line and stay in repeater and first apron that’a like 24 million for a bunch of random minimum type players. Not even during the big 3 era was this even a thought.

There’s two sides to this NBA stuff but many forget to venture in the real business side of things. Anyone can use a trade checker and make a deal happen but does it really make sense when all things factored? Most likely not.

If we end up trading for Durant we are not adding another big salary but yet using what could be potentially 20 million if Duncan is not included in trade to build out the roster with proper depth. Keep in mind 8.9 million of that is probably already ear marked to Mitchell. Maybe another smaller trade is made but most likely for a salary that’s flexible. Not a Holliday type contract.

Correct. Adding KD means no other significant additions beyond Mitchell. We’d basically be hoping a quality free agent or two gets some bad advice from their agent like Caleb Martin and has to settle for a minimum contract.

Money will be scarce this offseason so the bargain bin could be fruitful.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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All i’ve been hearing is how the Bucks are going to do right by Giannis and make sure he’s happy

That’s a load of **** lol he’s going wherever he wants if he leaves.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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First UD, now Wade. Patrick sent the goons after him

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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One of these dogs is left, let’s get KD and hope someone can step up and be their Caleb. East is wide open

[Beenie]

Buckle up for Derozan folks

Pat's whale

Cynicism aside, can anyone explain why there would be interest in Derozan? If Jimmy’s a clear tier below KD, which he is, Derozan is a tier below Jimmy. Not sure why Barry is pumping that name and yes there was interest in the past but with a different iteration of this team.

Because he's easier to get.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Buckle up for Derozan folks

Pat's whale

Cynicism aside, can anyone explain why there would be interest in Derozan? If Jimmy’s a clear tier below KD, which he is, Derozan is a tier below Jimmy. Not sure why Barry is pumping that name and yes there was interest in the past but with a different iteration of this team.

Because he's easier to get.

He makes no sense to get. We already have Wiggins on essentially the same deal.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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All i’ve been hearing is how the Bucks are going to do right by Giannis and make sure he’s happy

That’s a load of **** lol he’s going wherever he wants if he leaves.

With his current contract he’s going to the team with the best offer unless he wants to sit out the next two years. Free agent money is also scarce in this new CBA. Owners and GM’s have snuffed this out and are not taking pennies on the dollar anymore. Of course teams need to be smart before unloading a boat load of assets but where ever he gets traded will still be in the cat bird seat to resign him. Butler wanted the Suns and we traded him to Golden State. Dame wanted the “Heat Only”. This preferred destination becomes who has the best package out of preferred spots. You ain’t backing these teams into a corner anymore like the old CBA where free agency was prevalent. This ain’t a one team only show anymore.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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All i’ve been hearing is how the Bucks are going to do right by Giannis and make sure he’s happy

That’s a load of **** lol he’s going wherever he wants if he leaves.

With his current contract he’s going to the team with the best offer unless he wants to sit out the next two years. Free agent money is also scarce in this new CBA. Owners and GM’s have snuffed this out and are not taking pennies on the dollar anymore. Of course teams need to be smart before unloading a boat load of assets but where ever he gets traded will still be in the cat bird seat to resign him. Butler wanted the Suns and we traded him to Golden State. Dame wanted the “Heat Only”. This preferred destination becomes who has the best package out of preferred spots. You ain’t backing these teams into a corner anymore like the old CBA where free agency was prevalent. This ain’t a one team only show anymore.

He’ll go where he wants, the only 2 times we haven’t seen it recently are the 2 situations you gave. One where we just flat out refused to take on the worst contract in the league (Bucks won’t be doing that) which was very understandable and another with Dame where we tried to lowball them so bad that they just stopped talking to us. You’re not just going to completely bend these teams over and take their best player or arguable franchise goat but if they want your team and you come to the table with a respectable package to begin negotiations you’ll likely get it done. See Fox last season, Spurs didn’t fuxk around and got it done. That’s a FO that still knows how to operate over there.

[MettaWorldPanda]

That’s a load of **** lol he’s going wherever he wants if he leaves.

With his current contract he’s going to the team with the best offer unless he wants to sit out the next two years. Free agent money is also scarce in this new CBA. Owners and GM’s have snuffed this out and are not taking pennies on the dollar anymore. Of course teams need to be smart before unloading a boat load of assets but where ever he gets traded will still be in the cat bird seat to resign him. Butler wanted the Suns and we traded him to Golden State. Dame wanted the “Heat Only”. This preferred destination becomes who has the best package out of preferred spots. You ain’t backing these teams into a corner anymore like the old CBA where free agency was prevalent. This ain’t a one team only show anymore.

He’ll go where he wants, the only 2 times we haven’t seen it recently are the 2 situations you gave. One where we just flat out refused to take on the worst contract in the league (Bucks won’t be doing that) which was very understandable and another with Dame where we tried to lowball them so bad that they just stopped talking to us. You’re not just going to completely bend these teams over and take their best player or arguable franchise goat but if they want your team and you come to the table with a respectable package to begin negotiations you’ll likely get it done. See Fox last season, Spurs didn’t fuxk around and got it done. That’s a FO that still knows how to operate over there.

Good on Fox and Klutch too for identifying a great landing spot that had the proper assets to in order to get him. We tried to strong arm Portland into taking Herro when they already had big money tied up into that position with a newly signed Simons and a young player in Sharpe they needed to give time too. What were the other pieces involved? And unknown JJJ fresh out the draft and a wet behind the ears Niko Jovic who was going through back issues. Portland identified that they needed bigs which we had none to offer. Maybe if we had Kelel Ware a year earlier things would have been much different. The other matching contracts for Dame would have been Lowry and Duncan. I know rumors were flying about holding out Martin but that sounds like bs. Martin didn’t hold anything up. We just did’t have the right pieces. For Giannis his agent will have to find the teams with the best assets and let them sort it out after. Unfortunately for the Heat’s sake we’ll be on the bottom of that list.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

With his current contract he’s going to the team with the best offer unless he wants to sit out the next two years. Free agent money is also scarce in this new CBA. Owners and GM’s have snuffed this out and are not taking pennies on the dollar anymore. Of course teams need to be smart before unloading a boat load of assets but where ever he gets traded will still be in the cat bird seat to resign him. Butler wanted the Suns and we traded him to Golden State. Dame wanted the “Heat Only”. This preferred destination becomes who has the best package out of preferred spots. You ain’t backing these teams into a corner anymore like the old CBA where free agency was prevalent. This ain’t a one team only show anymore.

He’ll go where he wants, the only 2 times we haven’t seen it recently are the 2 situations you gave. One where we just flat out refused to take on the worst contract in the league (Bucks won’t be doing that) which was very understandable and another with Dame where we tried to lowball them so bad that they just stopped talking to us. You’re not just going to completely bend these teams over and take their best player or arguable franchise goat but if they want your team and you come to the table with a respectable package to begin negotiations you’ll likely get it done. See Fox last season, Spurs didn’t fuxk around and got it done. That’s a FO that still knows how to operate over there.

Good on Fox and Klutch too for identifying a great landing spot that had the proper assets to in order to get him. We tried to strong arm Portland into taking Herro when they already had big money tied up into that position with a newly signed Simons and a young player in Sharpe they needed to give time too. What were the other pieces involved? And unknown JJJ fresh out the draft and a wet behind the ears Niko Jovic who was going through back issues. Portland identified that they needed bigs which we had none to offer. Maybe if we had Kelel Ware a year earlier things would have been much different. The other matching contracts for Dame would have been Lowry and Duncan. I know rumors were flying about holding out Martin but that sounds like bs. Martin didn’t hold anything up. We just did’t have the right pieces. For Giannis his agent will have to find the teams with the best assets and let them sort it out after. Unfortunately for the Heat’s sake we’ll be on the bottom of that list.

Herro could’ve been flipped for other assets, a team like Brooklyn was willing to give up 2 1sts I believe was reported and discussed on here. Supposedly we didn’t even want to offer Herro as well as Caleb who you mentioned. We wanted to offer our scraps and cap relief with Lowry’s expiring. Us holding out should come as no surprise, lowballing is what we do. I mean we didn’t want to send Herro for Mitchell, Harden, Kyrie, etc. during the Jimmy/Bam era to give them a legit running mate to get over the top. We’re stubborn and confident to a fault. We thought we had the Blazers backed into a corner and it backfired. Maybe they’ve learned from it, we’ll see if we offer the Suns more than Wiggins and Rozier this summer for KD.

[Shewasfly]

Buckle up for Derozan folks

Pat's whale

Cynicism aside, can anyone explain why there would be interest in Derozan? If Jimmy’s a clear tier below KD, which he is, Derozan is a tier below Jimmy. Not sure why Barry is pumping that name and yes there was interest in the past but with a different iteration of this team.

Barry has become an arm of 5 reasons and is looking for hits. Holliday’a contract is not good, Prozingis contract is something the Celtics are probably looking to dump on a cap space team like BK, and DeRozan makes absolutely zero sense with his non three point shooting and our big front court. His contract also extends past 2026 much like Wiggins PO so it’s not like we get salary relief either. Better off going after players like Sexton and John Collins on one year tryout deals.

Stop stealing my ideas

But yes, this is the way. If we get KD, just focus on shoring up the rest of the starting lineup and have at least a couple of real NBA players on the bench.

Sexton/Davion
Herro/Burks
KD/Jovic (I hope)
Bam/Collins
Ware/Bam

[wade44]

We’ve been linked to Derozan in recent offseasons too. Perhaps a Wiggins for Derozan and pick/prospect if we want to go in that direction

[MettaWorldPanda]

We’ve been linked to Derozan in recent offseasons too.

He has two more years left on deal at 25 mil per till age 37

[Shewasfly]

We’ve been linked to Derozan in recent offseasons too. Perhaps a Wiggins for Derozan and pick/prospect if we want to go in that direction

This would be awful. Hope we blow it all the way up before sinking to this.

[wade44]

We’ve been linked to Derozan in recent offseasons too. Perhaps a Wiggins for Derozan and pick/prospect if we want to go in that direction

This would be awful. Hope we blow it all the way up before sinking to this.

Maybe so but it’d be on brand with the chair shuffling that’s already been going on

[spectrec130]

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All i’ve been hearing is how the Bucks are going to do right by Giannis and make sure he’s happy

That’s a load of **** lol he’s going wherever he wants if he leaves.

No he won't. Jon Horst will do exactly what Wes Eden wants him to do (see Portland Cronin and Allen or Dallas Harris and Adelson) and seeing that Milwaukee is bereft of any draft capital and is cap constrained for the next 2 years, they will need a marquee pick or player to sell tickets.

[al bondiga]

We’ve been linked to Derozan in recent offseasons too.

He has two more years left on deal at 25 mil per till age 37

Dead 2 upsides s for the DeRosan..a bit better scoring and a little more Motivation to win...better off keepin WIggy