2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers (IND leads 1-0)

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Who wins and advances to the NBA Finals?

Poll ended at Thu May 22, 2025 2:39 am

Knicks in 4
13
5%
Knicks in 5
31
11%
Knicks in 6
62
22%
Knicks in 7
50
18%
Pacers in 4
5
2%
Pacers in 5
7
3%
Pacers in 6
84
30%
Pacers in 7
25
9%
 
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Re: 2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers 

Post#581 » by Nuntius » Tue May 20, 2025 8:17 am

NiceLikeChrist wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
NiceLikeChrist wrote:still too much focus on the pacers offense when the defense should be the talking point

giving up 114 to a cavs team shooting 43/29/79 is godawful. and yea the pacers shot 50/42/78 yet only put up 117 ppg through the series. so Cleveland played like garbage, you guys played very well, yet it was 114 ppg against 117 ppg.


You kinda forgot to adjust for pace here.

Here are the team Defensive Ratings for this year's playoffs -> https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING

Knicks are 5th with a 110.6 Defensive Rating while the Pacers are 8th with a 111.9 Defensive Rating. That's not a huge difference, is it?


not really seeing what pace has to do with a 3 ppg difference when one team shot like garbage and the other shot very well. it's pretty clear that if the cavs could hit the shots they hit all year long it would've been 4 W's in their favor. they got the looks they wanted, that wasn't the issue.

so like I said maybe pacers are just hoping knicks will miss everything the same way.


If that's the argument you're going with:

You only outscored the Celtics by 3 points in this series. 634 to 631. They averaged 105.1 PPG, you averaged 105.6 PPG.

Are you sure that this is the argument you wanna go with?
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Re: 2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers 

Post#582 » by Nuntius » Tue May 20, 2025 9:11 am

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LFGK wrote:Whipping the ball around, ok but I also don't think the Pacer offense is better then the Celtics and outside the one game Tatum was unconscious OG held the guy in front of him to 22% from the field, Bridges was pretty ridiculous as well. Would be nice if it was a good series, I truly don't see it, I think the Knicks are a nightmare matchup for the pacers


It's not about which offense is better. It's about how these offenses attack and whether the way they attack is a good match-up for a team or not.

The Celtics love to isolate, especially the Jays. They averaged 14 isolations per game in this year's playoffs. The Knicks have excellent perimeter defenders so isolation basketball isn't going to work well against them. And it didn't work well at all. In fact, it arguably cost them games 1 and 2.

On the other hand, we only average 8.5 isolations per game in the playoffs (and even less during the RS). We aren't going to bail out New York's defense by going 1-on-1. We're going to force you into rotations.


Yeah, Boston didn't really get Karl in PnRs and force him to make reads on the move. They tried to isolate him and attack him that way, which Karl isn't nearly as bad at. Jalen worries me less since he's very smart & strong, and surprisingly quick. But the pacers' ball movement could get Towns turned around when he's out there without Mitch.

Fortunately we do have that double big counter, as Robinson is one of the best PNR defenders in the game and as long as they are controlling the glass enough to control the pace, we can roll that lineup quite a bit. Plus your ball movement based offense could play right into our disruptiveness in passing lanes with our wings, Robinson, and Brunson...as long as you don't wear us out.

What I think I'm most curious about is how you'll defend us. In the regular season we were able to burn you because you played us very traditionally with Turner on Towns and Siakam on OG. While what teams were having more success doing was putting their center on Hart and defending Karl with a big wing like Siakam. Which is the adjustment I'm expecting from Carlisle...but Karl has gotten a lot better at punishing teams for defending him with guys he can cook in the post, so I'm not sure how much that will help.

This could be a huge series for Bridges & Anunoby as well; assuming that sooner or later you end up with Nesmith on Brunson, Siakam on Towns, and Turner on Hart, that would mean Hali & Nembhard had to check our wings defensively and they're just too small to keep OG from the rim, or Mikal from getting to his midrange bag.


Chances are that we'll start off with a traditional outlook. Myles on KAT, Siakam on OG, Hali on Hart, Nesmith on Bridges, Nembhard on Brunson. Carlisle will definitely adjust and try different coverages but he'll start off traditionally.

The important thing is that we don't have to defend you traditionally. We can put Myles on Hart and let him roam and protect the rim more.

Here's what I would personally try:

Myles on Hart, Siakam on OG, Nesmith on KAT, Hali on Bridges, Nembhard on Brunson.

That could also morph to the following:

Myles on Hart, Siakam on KAT, Hali on OG, Nembhard on Bridges, Nesmith on Brunson.

It all depends on how you choose to attack us as well. If we have Hali on Bridges and you choose to involve Bridges as a screener for Brunson then we'll probably move away from it. We prefer Hali playing the passing lanes, using his game processing skills to get deflections and his length to close out on shooters. We don't want him involved in screening actions all that much and, afaik, Bridges is a really good screener.

OG, on the other hand, isn't a very intuitive screener (much like Nesmith) so he's less likely to be involved in these actions. Of course, OG is significantly stronger and much more physical than Hali so if we put Hali on OG, you may choose to go to OG more often and try to punish us inside.

Things definitely become a lot more interesting when you replace Hart with Mitch since Myles won't really have to worry about Hart's 3-point shooting any more and can focus on rim protection even more. Of course, Mitch brings a ton of offensive rebounding so it's really a pick your poison type of thing.

The matchups are going to be very interesting but we have a number of looks that we could throw your way.
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Re: 2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers 

Post#583 » by Nuntius » Tue May 20, 2025 9:12 am

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Why do you hate the Knicks Arks?

Sean Marks destroyed our Team

Time to root for Winner, Nets suck which is a tough pill 2 swallow

Knicks are gonna be really good 4 another 5,6 Years, I'm sick of being depressed


Good Luck loose change

Let me give you my perspective

Brentford FC (west London ) fans waited 74 years to comeback to Premier League , generations passed away waiting ,but they stood with their Club , it was the best sight I ever saw old 85-90 year old man crying from happiness in 2021 , because the last time they saw their team playing in PL was in 1945 when they were 10 years old boys

Now in the same city they had 8 (eight) teams who won trophies every year , Arsenals ,Chelsea , Crystal Palace Fulham , Tottenham , WHU and many more in higher divisions than Brentford over the decades and decades

Yet they stood behind their team in rain for 75 years

Now Knicks is the old /new toy in town and how do you imagine ? Just switch ? ,go to the Garden , eat couple of hotdogs wash this with cheap beer and start celebrating ( if they win ) their own championship as my own ??? :lol:

No thx , I rather watch Nets even if they suck even if they’ll never win

Now I can root for other teams did for Dallas , did for Denver now for Indiana , I’m happy when they win but I’ll never claim their trophy as my own , they won , I’m just for a ride with them , but It’s THEIRs to enjoy brag celebrate and cherish

So saying this Pacers in 5 , let’s GO :D


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Post#584 » by Nuntius » Tue May 20, 2025 9:16 am

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Scottie Pimpin wrote:The arrogance of the Knicks fanbase is astounding.


We just smoked the defending champs where NO ONE picked us to win. TF we supposed to be other than confident ?


Confident and arrogant are two different things.

Pacer fans are confident as well but you don't see any of us claiming that we'd beat you in 4/5. I understand that there were some Celtic fans who were obnoxious and disparaging towards the Knicks but that doesn't give you the right to do the same to others :wink:
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Post#585 » by cgf » Tue May 20, 2025 11:37 am

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Nope. Rik is a Dutch name, the short form of names like Hendrik and Frederik and neither of these names is spelled with a C in Dutch.

This fact is wrong :wink:


Eh, the Dutch can't spell. Their language is just german with a bunch of J's shoved in drunkenly.


Ironically, a regional language spoken in the Netherlands, named Frisian, is the language that is closest to English linguistically.


Which is definitive proof that they screwed up our wonderful language :-P
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Post#586 » by cgf » Tue May 20, 2025 11:38 am

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100% agree with this. I despise the hooligan fan culture. I hate when sports leagues encourage it. It makes things worse for everyone but angry 15-22 year old male morons.


Yep. It's absolutely awful. That's why it's so disheartening to see these two videos (one with the Pacers fans, the other with Windhorst) of New York fans throwing trash to people. Let's hope that this is the end of it.


I highly doubt it is the end of it. It's not like anything happened to those idiots. It will only get worse if Knicks continue winning.
There is a real problem with that age group lately


Right? They didn’t even bring weapons like our parents did when they were young hooligans in the 80s.
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Post#587 » by LFGK » Tue May 20, 2025 11:51 am

nesmith on KAT lol, Nembhard on Brunson, this series is going to be a lot of fun
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Post#588 » by Froob » Tue May 20, 2025 11:59 am

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Froob wrote:pacers in five


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Post#589 » by cgf » Tue May 20, 2025 12:31 pm

wang000hk wrote:One big difference between Celtics and Pacers in offense is low post scoring in paint
Pacers have a few big and long guys that can punish Knicks in the paint

Something can't be said for Celtics with their old or injured big men

The Knicks took the paint away from Boston, there’s a reason they kept settling for mediocre jumpers
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Post#590 » by TravisScott55 » Tue May 20, 2025 1:33 pm

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Post#591 » by Capn'O » Tue May 20, 2025 2:00 pm

ArksNetsSince99 wrote:Say whatever you want but signing KD Kyrie was the right thing to do at the time.


Absolutely. I said as much. On paper, Kyrie/Durant work really really well as a starting point.

From the Knicks perspective I worried more because we didn't yet have any guardrails up to keep him focused. And once the Nets had them I worried about retaliation moves that would set us back.

Harden not so much , but again who could’ve predicted Harden hamstring injury , or Kyrie sprained ankle injury?


With those three somebody was getting hurt. Injury prone guys w/ little depth.
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Post#592 » by cgf » Tue May 20, 2025 2:20 pm

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It's not about which offense is better. It's about how these offenses attack and whether the way they attack is a good match-up for a team or not.

The Celtics love to isolate, especially the Jays. They averaged 14 isolations per game in this year's playoffs. The Knicks have excellent perimeter defenders so isolation basketball isn't going to work well against them. And it didn't work well at all. In fact, it arguably cost them games 1 and 2.

On the other hand, we only average 8.5 isolations per game in the playoffs (and even less during the RS). We aren't going to bail out New York's defense by going 1-on-1. We're going to force you into rotations.


Yeah, Boston didn't really get Karl in PnRs and force him to make reads on the move. They tried to isolate him and attack him that way, which Karl isn't nearly as bad at. Jalen worries me less since he's very smart & strong, and surprisingly quick. But the pacers' ball movement could get Towns turned around when he's out there without Mitch.

Fortunately we do have that double big counter, as Robinson is one of the best PNR defenders in the game and as long as they are controlling the glass enough to control the pace, we can roll that lineup quite a bit. Plus your ball movement based offense could play right into our disruptiveness in passing lanes with our wings, Robinson, and Brunson...as long as you don't wear us out.

What I think I'm most curious about is how you'll defend us. In the regular season we were able to burn you because you played us very traditionally with Turner on Towns and Siakam on OG. While what teams were having more success doing was putting their center on Hart and defending Karl with a big wing like Siakam. Which is the adjustment I'm expecting from Carlisle...but Karl has gotten a lot better at punishing teams for defending him with guys he can cook in the post, so I'm not sure how much that will help.

This could be a huge series for Bridges & Anunoby as well; assuming that sooner or later you end up with Nesmith on Brunson, Siakam on Towns, and Turner on Hart, that would mean Hali & Nembhard had to check our wings defensively and they're just too small to keep OG from the rim, or Mikal from getting to his midrange bag.


Chances are that we'll start off with a traditional outlook. Myles on KAT, Siakam on OG, Hali on Hart, Nesmith on Bridges, Nembhard on Brunson. Carlisle will definitely adjust and try different coverages but he'll start off traditionally.

The important thing is that we don't have to defend you traditionally. We can put Myles on Hart and let him roam and protect the rim more.

Here's what I would personally try:

Myles on Hart, Siakam on OG, Nesmith on KAT, Hali on Bridges, Nembhard on Brunson.

That could also morph to the following:

Myles on Hart, Siakam on KAT, Hali on OG, Nembhard on Bridges, Nesmith on Brunson.

It all depends on how you choose to attack us as well. If we have Hali on Bridges and you choose to involve Bridges as a screener for Brunson then we'll probably move away from it. We prefer Hali playing the passing lanes, using his game processing skills to get deflections and his length to close out on shooters. We don't want him involved in screening actions all that much and, afaik, Bridges is a really good screener.

OG, on the other hand, isn't a very intuitive screener (much like Nesmith) so he's less likely to be involved in these actions. Of course, OG is significantly stronger and much more physical than Hali so if we put Hali on OG, you may choose to go to OG more often and try to punish us inside.

Things definitely become a lot more interesting when you replace Hart with Mitch since Myles won't really have to worry about Hart's 3-point shooting any more and can focus on rim protection even more. Of course, Mitch brings a ton of offensive rebounding so it's really a pick your poison type of thing.

The matchups are going to be very interesting but we have a number of looks that we could throw your way.


It’ll be interesting see what changes each coach is forced into making cause I do feel pretty good about most iterations of your starting five against ours…don’t think there’s a matchup for Brunson or Towns that particularly worries me if our guys bring their A-game; and I think Bridges or OG will get a good matchup too attack. And with Deuce / Mitch Thibs has alternatives to Hart that could be strong answers to your counters.
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Post#593 » by Beethoven » Tue May 20, 2025 3:24 pm

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Scottie Pimpin wrote:The arrogance of the Knicks fanbase is astounding.


We just smoked the defending champs where NO ONE picked us to win. TF we supposed to be other than confident ?


Confident and arrogant are two different things.

Pacer fans are confident as well but you don't see any of us claiming that we'd beat you in 4/5. I understand that there were some Celtic fans who were obnoxious and disparaging towards the Knicks but that doesn't give you the right to do the same to others :wink:

Yes I agree. I actually believe they are totally opposite. Arrogance is a lack of confidence in some perspectives.
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Post#594 » by Beethoven » Tue May 20, 2025 3:24 pm

Do the Pacers even remember they are in the playoffs?
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Post#595 » by WargamesX » Tue May 20, 2025 3:38 pm

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Yeah, Boston didn't really get Karl in PnRs and force him to make reads on the move. They tried to isolate him and attack him that way, which Karl isn't nearly as bad at. Jalen worries me less since he's very smart & strong, and surprisingly quick. But the pacers' ball movement could get Towns turned around when he's out there without Mitch.

Fortunately we do have that double big counter, as Robinson is one of the best PNR defenders in the game and as long as they are controlling the glass enough to control the pace, we can roll that lineup quite a bit. Plus your ball movement based offense could play right into our disruptiveness in passing lanes with our wings, Robinson, and Brunson...as long as you don't wear us out.

What I think I'm most curious about is how you'll defend us. In the regular season we were able to burn you because you played us very traditionally with Turner on Towns and Siakam on OG. While what teams were having more success doing was putting their center on Hart and defending Karl with a big wing like Siakam. Which is the adjustment I'm expecting from Carlisle...but Karl has gotten a lot better at punishing teams for defending him with guys he can cook in the post, so I'm not sure how much that will help.

This could be a huge series for Bridges & Anunoby as well; assuming that sooner or later you end up with Nesmith on Brunson, Siakam on Towns, and Turner on Hart, that would mean Hali & Nembhard had to check our wings defensively and they're just too small to keep OG from the rim, or Mikal from getting to his midrange bag.


Chances are that we'll start off with a traditional outlook. Myles on KAT, Siakam on OG, Hali on Hart, Nesmith on Bridges, Nembhard on Brunson. Carlisle will definitely adjust and try different coverages but he'll start off traditionally.

The important thing is that we don't have to defend you traditionally. We can put Myles on Hart and let him roam and protect the rim more.

Here's what I would personally try:

Myles on Hart, Siakam on OG, Nesmith on KAT, Hali on Bridges, Nembhard on Brunson.

That could also morph to the following:

Myles on Hart, Siakam on KAT, Hali on OG, Nembhard on Bridges, Nesmith on Brunson.

It all depends on how you choose to attack us as well. If we have Hali on Bridges and you choose to involve Bridges as a screener for Brunson then we'll probably move away from it. We prefer Hali playing the passing lanes, using his game processing skills to get deflections and his length to close out on shooters. We don't want him involved in screening actions all that much and, afaik, Bridges is a really good screener.

OG, on the other hand, isn't a very intuitive screener (much like Nesmith) so he's less likely to be involved in these actions. Of course, OG is significantly stronger and much more physical than Hali so if we put Hali on OG, you may choose to go to OG more often and try to punish us inside.

Things definitely become a lot more interesting when you replace Hart with Mitch since Myles won't really have to worry about Hart's 3-point shooting any more and can focus on rim protection even more. Of course, Mitch brings a ton of offensive rebounding so it's really a pick your poison type of thing.

The matchups are going to be very interesting but we have a number of looks that we could throw your way.


It’ll be interesting see what changes each coach is forced into making cause I do feel pretty good about most iterations of your starting five against ours…don’t think there’s a matchup for Brunson or Towns that particularly worries me if our guys bring their A-game; and I think Bridges or OG will get a good matchup too attack. And with Deuce / Mitch Thibs has alternatives to Hart that could be strong answers to your counters.

Yeah I don’t see the counter for a Mitch/KAT front court. I also think both the pistons and Celtics tried to hide bigs on Hart and the Knicks did the counters necessary to make that not work. Hart and Mitch are our screeners and when they play they do their role to help get mismatches and stay in the action making it harder to “hide” bad shooters on them.

Beyond that I really think this whole series is going to be about rebounds. The Knicks like to rebound to get second shots, the pacers like to rebound to get into transition. So considering how both of them rely heavily on that I actually expect this whole thing to be fought out under the basket.
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Post#596 » by GiannisAnte34 » Tue May 20, 2025 3:49 pm

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We just smoked the defending champs where NO ONE picked us to win. TF we supposed to be other than confident ?


Confident and arrogant are two different things.

Pacer fans are confident as well but you don't see any of us claiming that we'd beat you in 4/5. I understand that there were some Celtic fans who were obnoxious and disparaging towards the Knicks but that doesn't give you the right to do the same to others :wink:

Yes I agree. I actually believe they are totally opposite. Arrogance is a lack of confidence in some perspectives.


Another guy who was so confident the Lakers would go to the WCF :lol:

I was also confident the Bucks could hang with the Pacers, then got humbled quickly
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Post#597 » by Capn'O » Tue May 20, 2025 3:55 pm

Good lil' preview here:

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Post#598 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Tue May 20, 2025 4:39 pm

Beethoven wrote:Do the Pacers even remember they are in the playoffs?

Who knows, it feels like it’s been a month. There is no way they aren’t rusty at this point. We saw teams who rested their starters for less time enter the playoffs rusty in game 1.
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Post#599 » by DaGawd » Tue May 20, 2025 4:40 pm

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Re: 2025 EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALS: #3 New York Knicks vs #4 Indiana Pacers 

Post#600 » by cgf » Tue May 20, 2025 4:45 pm

WargamesX wrote:
cgf wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
Chances are that we'll start off with a traditional outlook. Myles on KAT, Siakam on OG, Hali on Hart, Nesmith on Bridges, Nembhard on Brunson. Carlisle will definitely adjust and try different coverages but he'll start off traditionally.

The important thing is that we don't have to defend you traditionally. We can put Myles on Hart and let him roam and protect the rim more.

Here's what I would personally try:

Myles on Hart, Siakam on OG, Nesmith on KAT, Hali on Bridges, Nembhard on Brunson.

That could also morph to the following:

Myles on Hart, Siakam on KAT, Hali on OG, Nembhard on Bridges, Nesmith on Brunson.

It all depends on how you choose to attack us as well. If we have Hali on Bridges and you choose to involve Bridges as a screener for Brunson then we'll probably move away from it. We prefer Hali playing the passing lanes, using his game processing skills to get deflections and his length to close out on shooters. We don't want him involved in screening actions all that much and, afaik, Bridges is a really good screener.

OG, on the other hand, isn't a very intuitive screener (much like Nesmith) so he's less likely to be involved in these actions. Of course, OG is significantly stronger and much more physical than Hali so if we put Hali on OG, you may choose to go to OG more often and try to punish us inside.

Things definitely become a lot more interesting when you replace Hart with Mitch since Myles won't really have to worry about Hart's 3-point shooting any more and can focus on rim protection even more. Of course, Mitch brings a ton of offensive rebounding so it's really a pick your poison type of thing.

The matchups are going to be very interesting but we have a number of looks that we could throw your way.


It’ll be interesting see what changes each coach is forced into making cause I do feel pretty good about most iterations of your starting five against ours…don’t think there’s a matchup for Brunson or Towns that particularly worries me if our guys bring their A-game; and I think Bridges or OG will get a good matchup too attack. And with Deuce / Mitch Thibs has alternatives to Hart that could be strong answers to your counters.

Yeah I don’t see the counter for a Mitch/KAT front court. I also think both the pistons and Celtics tried to hide bigs on Hart and the Knicks did the counters necessary to make that not work. Hart and Mitch are our screeners and when they play they do their role to help get mismatches and stay in the action making it harder to “hide” bad shooters on them.

Beyond that I really think this whole series is going to be about rebounds. The Knicks like to rebound to get second shots, the pacers like to rebound to get into transition. So considering how both of them rely heavily on that I actually expect this whole thing to be fought out under the basket.


Well the counter would be getting out in transition & wearing us down by the end of the series. Which is why I think this series could well be won on the glass & turnover battle.

If we take care of the ball & dominate the glass, we can control the pace & beat them down. If they force turnovers or keep it competitive on the boards, they can wears us down & run us out of the building.

This is the series we can least afford to fafo because they are more likely to wear us out, than vice versa, unlike the last two series where the longer the went the more confident I got
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