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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#301 » by WargamesX » Thu May 22, 2025 4:25 am

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Jalen looking like he is taking that loss to hard.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#302 » by KnixinSix » Thu May 22, 2025 4:26 am

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whocares1 wrote:A smart coach just tells players to switch on the screen when Nesmith made two in a row. OG’s reluctance to switch immediately was the problem. It isn’t deeper than that. Knicks escape with the win if they force Nesmith to miss.


Likely never even gets to that point if he doesnt have the two weakest defenders on the team out there at the same time for a situation that was screaming for a better defensive line up (i.e up 14 with 3:44 left)


Dude think about it. Most coaches in the league would put their star player back in. We routinely have closed games with Brunson and towns all post season long. Are they weak defensively? Sure. But you’re thinking lineups when the solution was much simpler than that. Just switch. OG let Nesmith take at least 3 wide open threes when he could’ve just switched. You stop Nesmith and the game is over.


Not when you are up 14 with 3:44 left to go AND that lineup with both them in was getting DESTROYED ALL GAME. It was a mindless, robotic thing to do instead of having the right feel in that situation because you are actually paying attention to what the game was clearly showing you up until that point.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#303 » by Gravy » Thu May 22, 2025 4:26 am

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Gravy wrote:Hit both of your free throws and the game is over. smh

We missed a bunch of free throws the whole second half which hurt

28-40. The misses in the last two minutes of regulation was the game
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#304 » by Jay10 » Thu May 22, 2025 4:27 am

Why bring in a guy with 5 fouls into the game when you have a 14/17 point lead when you could've gone a few more possessions with him on the bench?
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#305 » by K_ick_God » Thu May 22, 2025 4:28 am

Is it even mathematically possible to lose that lead if you let the clock expire every possession

Thibs needs to go folks … this is kindergarten level stuff
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#306 » by Context » Thu May 22, 2025 4:30 am

Butch718 wrote:I just really want to feel 100 percent positive and confident about this team. They are so **** up and down. Like once again, not only did they choke, but they let that corny **** punk them on their own court. This loss was just epically bad on so many levels.

Like if you’re a player on the Knicks, you’re gonna need to man up and return the favor not only in game 2, but in game 3 or 4 as well. You need to taunt them the way Hali did tonight. I just don’t have any confidence that this team will beat the getting clowned narratives from the last 25 years and quite honestly, they deserve every bit of disrespect that’s going to come their way the next couple of days.

I know...they got a break with is toe on the line. As players you watch Halifraud throw that choke sign and you dont win that game in OT!
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#307 » by 8516knicks » Thu May 22, 2025 4:30 am

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dakomish23 wrote:Our Josh Hart was better than their Josh Hart for 3 1/2 quarters. Then their Josh Hart took over


Apparently Obi has some value.


Leave it to Leon Rose to hand a useful piece to a conference rivals for a pair of lessor of 2nd rd picks so he can go out and overpay for wings.


Not going to blame Leon for that. He's why we are even in the ECF. :nod:
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#308 » by KnixinSix » Thu May 22, 2025 4:30 am

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2010 wrote:Another thing. I’m tired of that starting lineup. It needs to change but stubborn Thibs refuses to adjust.

They can’t defend and we start off almost every game facing a deficit.

What more evidence does Thibs need?

Ditto but he isn't changing the starters now.

We better have a different starting 5 next year


Then sub out quickly and stagger the lineups the rest of the game where you minimize the time that BOTH KAT and Brunson are on the floor together. Or at minimum have the intellegence not to have both in there to close out a game you are UP 14 WITH 3:44 LEFT!!!
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#309 » by CyKnickal » Thu May 22, 2025 4:31 am

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Illuminatos wrote:Brunson played stupid as **** down the stretch.

Nearly threw the ball away twice. Also made that dumbass pass to OG under the basket (the Siakam foul that got overturned) when he should have burned more clock.


He’s often too occupied with stumbling & bumbling hunting fouls than making the right basketball play.

He has a gaudy stat line but played sloppy undisciplined basketball.



One of the worst 40 point games I've ever seen. This loss is on him, and I love the guy. When he started doing his shenanigans in the third, I got worried.

I get it, it's part of being a killer, and I even smiled at his antics a few times. When these guys start hacking he baits them, especially against guys who are "Brunson stoppers", so I'll give him that, you gotta take the good with the bad with Mamba Mentality sometimes, but his turnovers and time management at the end.....shew.

Toss out everything, we were still up 5 with 40 seconds. We would have all signed up for that, but Brunson really choked this one away by throwing a lob pass to OG, where we lost the ball after the review due to semantics.

But I have faith in the kid, and that's the great thing about him. Unlike dudes in the past, he's gonna sit there and own up to it, and do what needs to be done next game.

Sucks to lose what was going to be a perfect game. But there was a lot of....serendipity in this game for the Pacers. From the 5 threes by one guy who didn't show up all night, the lucky bounce, OG getting nailed in the air but no call because the ball was touched first, the missed goaltend....every one of those things had to happen together for them to pull it out.

They still ain't ****....we got this. On to the next one, be safe guys.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#310 » by Context » Thu May 22, 2025 4:31 am

KnicksGod wrote:Is it even mathematically possible to lose that lead if you let the clock expire every possession

Thibs needs to go folks … this is kindergarten level stuff

I've been holding out hope for Thibs but he makes it so hard.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#311 » by R-DAWG » Thu May 22, 2025 4:32 am

KnicksGod wrote:0g has looked bad all playoffs basically

Looks slow and weak … shot comes and goes and mostly goes

Feels like he’s in the way and we need more Deuce, less him

Hart’s foul on Siakam was terrible too


OG has also played more games and minutes than he ever has before. His usage is also higher than ever before. He looks worn down.

You have to wonder if the minutes/usage are also effecting Bridges - although his shot has been off all year.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#312 » by Context » Thu May 22, 2025 4:34 am

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Jalen looking like he is taking that loss to hard.

He picked up the stupid 5th foul and it compromised the team. He has to realize -he's not a great defender and if he is on the court trying to defend with 5 fouls- he becomes a liability!
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#313 » by oldshoolballer » Thu May 22, 2025 4:34 am

Knick4Real wrote:We build a 14-point lead in the 4th quarter, then end the game like this???????????? :banghead:

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I love my Knicks but I can't sugarcoat it That was one of the greatest choke jobs in NBA history.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#314 » by nedleeds » Thu May 22, 2025 4:34 am

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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#315 » by Jay10 » Thu May 22, 2025 4:35 am

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KnicksGod wrote:0g has looked bad all playoffs basically

Looks slow and weak … shot comes and goes and mostly goes

Feels like he’s in the way and we need more Deuce, less him

Hart’s foul on Siakam was terrible too


OG has also played more games and minutes than he ever has before. His usage is also higher than ever before. He looks worn down.


OG and Mikal also have to worry about the players they are defending and also the players Jalen and KAT are defending because of how bad those 2 are on defense.

With Deuce and Mitchell on the court with OG and Mikal they only have to worry about their guy.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#316 » by Jay10 » Thu May 22, 2025 4:36 am

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Jalen looking like he is taking that loss to hard.

He picked up the stupid 5th foul and it compromised the team. He has to realize -he's not a great defender and if he is on the court trying to defend with 5 fouls- he becomes a liability!


Which is why Thibodeau shouldn't have brought him back with a 14 point lead.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#317 » by TexasMassacre » Thu May 22, 2025 4:36 am

Thibs got outcoached.

Josh Hart sucks.

OG had a bad game.

Brunson ISO ball will lose the Knicks the series.

Trade everyone.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#318 » by whocares1 » Thu May 22, 2025 4:36 am

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Likely never even gets to that point if he doesnt have the two weakest defenders on the team out there at the same time for a situation that was screaming for a better defensive line up (i.e up 14 with 3:44 left)


Dude think about it. Most coaches in the league would put their star player back in. We routinely have closed games with Brunson and towns all post season long. Are they weak defensively? Sure. But you’re thinking lineups when the solution was much simpler than that. Just switch. OG let Nesmith take at least 3 wide open threes when he could’ve just switched. You stop Nesmith and the game is over.


Not when you are up 14 with 3:44 left to go AND that lineup with both them in was getting DESTROYED ALL GAME. It was a mindless, robotic thing to do instead of having the right feel in that situation because you are actually paying attention to what the game was clearly showing you up until that point.


They brought Brunson in at the 5 minute mark. He only came in that late into the game bc he had 5 fouls and there’s not a coach in the league that doesn’t put in their star in that situation. So with no foul trouble he likely would’ve been in at the 8 minute mark. This loss is not on Brunson or towns. If Brunson and towns can’t close a 14 point game then technically they should never play late in games at all. We should always have defensive subs for the last 5 minutes bc if a 14 point lead isn’t safe then imagine a 8 point lead or a 5 point lead.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#319 » by Clyde Frazier » Thu May 22, 2025 4:38 am

still at a loss for words... on top of the loss we wasted a pretty great all around performance until the meltdown. towns is truly awful navigating screens especially beyond the 3PT line. I don't know what you do about that. and brunson's 5th foul was just a boneheaded decision on his part. bleh. on to the next.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs Indy: Game 1 ECF 

Post#320 » by whocares1 » Thu May 22, 2025 4:39 am

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KnicksGod wrote:0g has looked bad all playoffs basically

Looks slow and weak … shot comes and goes and mostly goes

Feels like he’s in the way and we need more Deuce, less him

Hart’s foul on Siakam was terrible too


OG has also played more games and minutes than he ever has before. His usage is also higher than ever before. He looks worn down.


OG and Mikal also have to worry about the players they are defending and also the players Jalen and KAT are defending because of how bad those 2 are on defense.

With Deuce and Mitchell on the court with OG and Mikal they only have to worry about their guy.


In the same way that Brunson and KAT provide value offensively that OG and Deuce and Mitchell don’t.

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