2024-2025 OKC Thunder Games Thread

[bbms]

That is not true. If they retain eyeryone and trade away the picks for future firsts (because if they retain everyone they won't have the rosterspots anyway), they will be even below the tay with an estimate active cap at 177 million $.

See here: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/yearly

It will get tense when JDub and Chet will get their new contracts kicking in in 26/27.

why they would do such thing?

nba essentially have a hard cap now. nba is the nfl now. you need to take shots in the draft every year to replenish and restock. once all the contracts extensions handed to the key players (2027/28), we'll need surplus value from rookie deals from the players we get in the system from the draft in 2025 and 2026 (third season is a solid cushion).

obviously not taking locker room in consideration, dort is on a prime position to get shopped, specially given the quality of who's stepping up (cason, who's probably won't sign for less than 4/80 mil).

[falcolombardi]

Dort is a beloved player but is true he is fairly expendable if it comes to it

In a sentimental sense i would love if he and shai remained together here but i get why it would be hard

[Woerzboerg]

That is not true. If they retain eyeryone and trade away the picks for future firsts (because if they retain everyone they won't have the rosterspots anyway), they will be even below the tay with an estimate active cap at 177 million $.

See here: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/yearly

It will get tense when JDub and Chet will get their new contracts kicking in in 26/27.

why they would do such thing?

nba essentially have a hard cap now. nba is the nfl now. you need to take shots in the draft every year to replenish and restock. once all the contracts extensions handed to the key players (2027/28), we'll need surplus value from rookie deals from the players we get in the system from the draft in 2025 and 2026 (third season is a solid cushion).

obviously not taking locker room in consideration, dort is on a prime position to get shopped, specially given the quality of who's stepping up (cason, who's probably won't sign for less than 4/80 mil).

As I explained before, I would draft at #15 and trade #24, Dieng and Jones for a shooter.

But you don't have to, financially, and especially you don't *have* to trade players like Dort away. You won't pay the tax next year, even if you bring back the whole team. Your calculation is wrong.

[Dadouv47]

hope we play well today...a bit worried because wolves are going all in tonight and we are in that Shai post MVP party + winning games mode. Just fine if it gives confidence to our team but need to focus.

[Kizz Fastfists]

why they would do such thing?

nba essentially have a hard cap now. nba is the nfl now. you need to take shots in the draft every year to replenish and restock. once all the contracts extensions handed to the key players (2027/28), we'll need surplus value from rookie deals from the players we get in the system from the draft in 2025 and 2026 (third season is a solid cushion).

obviously not taking locker room in consideration, dort is on a prime position to get shopped, specially given the quality of who's stepping up (cason, who's probably won't sign for less than 4/80 mil).

The Thunder have 0 roster spots available and everyone except Ajay and Jaylin are on guaranteed contracts. Dort only has one more guaranteed year on his contract so it makes no sense, from a cap standpoint, to trade him. If you are using his salary in a consolidation trade to get a better player then great, but his contract has no bearing on extending anyone. This is also why I see it more likely Presti trades out of this draft for future picks and just runs it back next year.

If Presti really wants a rookie he can trade Dieng and #24 to open a roster spot and draft his rookie at #15.

[ThunderBolt]

hope we play well today...a bit worried because if I didn't worry I wouldn't know what to do with myself.

FIFY. Just teasing you, brother.

[Dadouv47]

hope we play well today...a bit worried because if I didn't worry I wouldn't know what to do with myself.

FIFY. Just teasing you, brother.

that's fair buddy. You are 100% right.

I know that objectively we are the heavy favorites to win the title and we might not have such an "easy"' road in the next 20 years so I'm way more anxious than I should be.

[Devilanche]

That is not true. If they retain eyeryone and trade away the picks for future firsts (because if they retain everyone they won't have the rosterspots anyway), they will be even below the tay with an estimate active cap at 177 million $.

See here: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/yearly

It will get tense when JDub and Chet will get their new contracts kicking in in 26/27.

why they would do such thing?

nba essentially have a hard cap now. nba is the nfl now. you need to take shots in the draft every year to replenish and restock. once all the contracts extensions handed to the key players (2027/28), we'll need surplus value from rookie deals from the players we get in the system from the draft in 2025 and 2026 (third season is a solid cushion).

obviously not taking locker room in consideration, dort is on a prime position to get shopped, specially given the quality of who's stepping up (cason, who's probably won't sign for less than 4/80 mil).

As I explained before, I would draft at #15 and trade #24, Dieng and Jones for a shooter.

But you don't have to, financially, and especially you don't *have* to trade players like Dort away. You won't pay the tax next year, even if you bring back the whole team. Your calculation is wrong.

The easiest move would be trade Dieng , draft 15 , trade 24 for future. We would be out of rotation just by resetting the rookie scale contract I believe.

Assuming we aren’t touching the rotation. It makes it clear that we are unlikely to use free agency this year though.

[Dadouv47]

why they would do such thing?

nba essentially have a hard cap now. nba is the nfl now. you need to take shots in the draft every year to replenish and restock. once all the contracts extensions handed to the key players (2027/28), we'll need surplus value from rookie deals from the players we get in the system from the draft in 2025 and 2026 (third season is a solid cushion).

obviously not taking locker room in consideration, dort is on a prime position to get shopped, specially given the quality of who's stepping up (cason, who's probably won't sign for less than 4/80 mil).

As I explained before, I would draft at #15 and trade #24, Dieng and Jones for a shooter.

But you don't have to, financially, and especially you don't *have* to trade players like Dort away. You won't pay the tax next year, even if you bring back the whole team. Your calculation is wrong.

The easiest move would be trade Dieng , draft 15 , trade 24 for future. We would be out of rotation just by resetting the rookie scale contract I believe.

Assuming we aren’t touching the rotation. It makes it clear that we are unlikely to use free agency this year though.

I think we need to draft a player with either 15 or 24. It's not that I want that but financially we gotta keep drafting good young players to afford keepin our current players.

[Devilanche]

As I explained before, I would draft at #15 and trade #24, Dieng and Jones for a shooter.

But you don't have to, financially, and especially you don't *have* to trade players like Dort away. You won't pay the tax next year, even if you bring back the whole team. Your calculation is wrong.

The easiest move would be trade Dieng , draft 15 , trade 24 for future. We would be out of rotation just by resetting the rookie scale contract I believe.

Assuming we aren’t touching the rotation. It makes it clear that we are unlikely to use free agency this year though.

I think we need to draft a player with either 15 or 24. It's not that I want that but financially we gotta keep drafting good young players to afford keepin our current players.

Keep resetting that rookie clock. If they don’t show enough by close to end of that contract, you move them along.

[Big nick]

I'm loving all the anti-Shai and OKC hate on the main board. Loving it!

Me to but it pisses me of some Shai is so geed they have to foul him, I bet if Shai were on there team they wouldn’t complain. But what gets me people don’t mind the whiners that get a call when it wasn’t a foul like Luka, bron, joker.

[Big nick]

I think we all agree dieng has to go.

[Dadouv47]

The easiest move would be trade Dieng , draft 15 , trade 24 for future. We would be out of rotation just by resetting the rookie scale contract I believe.

Assuming we aren’t touching the rotation. It makes it clear that we are unlikely to use free agency this year though.

I think we need to draft a player with either 15 or 24. It's not that I want that but financially we gotta keep drafting good young players to afford keepin our current players.

Keep resetting that rookie clock. If they don’t show enough by close to end of that contract, you move them along.

probably need to pull the trigger a bit faster than Presti has done with some bust (Mann, Dieng etc.) but in the end we gonna need those young guys under rookie contract who can contribute if we want to keep winning with Shai/Chet/JDub

[Dadouv47]

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The active members on this forum deserved it more and we are less than the entire Thunder roster.

[bbms]

That is not true. If they retain eyeryone and trade away the picks for future firsts (because if they retain everyone they won't have the rosterspots anyway), they will be even below the tay with an estimate active cap at 177 million $.

See here: https://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/yearly

It will get tense when JDub and Chet will get their new contracts kicking in in 26/27.

why they would do such thing?

nba essentially have a hard cap now. nba is the nfl now. you need to take shots in the draft every year to replenish and restock. once all the contracts extensions handed to the key players (2027/28), we'll need surplus value from rookie deals from the players we get in the system from the draft in 2025 and 2026 (third season is a solid cushion).

obviously not taking locker room in consideration, dort is on a prime position to get shopped, specially given the quality of who's stepping up (cason, who's probably won't sign for less than 4/80 mil).

As I explained before, I would draft at #15 and trade #24, Dieng and Jones for a shooter.

But you don't have to, financially, and especially you don't *have* to trade players like Dort away. You won't pay the tax next year, even if you bring back the whole team. Your calculation is wrong.

there's a concept in economics, i don't know how to refer to it in english, but it's the hidden cost of an asset.

it applies great in sports when you have limited slots for assets. when you spend a slot on an asset that isn't likely to increase in value over an asset that could be in a valorization process, the true cost of the asset is the cost of the asset + the cost corresponding to valorization rate of the asset snubbed in the slot + depreciation.

so an asset like dort is a prime piece to move NOW from a theoretical standpoint. you set the values on a monte carlo simulation and i guaranteed computing trades dort more often than not

[Devilanche]

I think we need to draft a player with either 15 or 24. It's not that I want that but financially we gotta keep drafting good young players to afford keepin our current players.

Keep resetting that rookie clock. If they don’t show enough by close to end of that contract, you move them along.

probably need to pull the trigger a bit faster than Presti has done with some bust (Mann, Dieng etc.) but in the end we gonna need those young guys under rookie contract who can contribute if we want to keep winning with Shai/Chet/JDub

Would lean into older prospect mostly or those who have a ready skill when they come in (3 point shooting or scoring) . I know defense/rebounding translate better but our offense is kind of lacking.

Given the way the draft is usually played out. Might be better to trade 15 (younger raw prospect) and draft at 24.

[Kizz Fastfists]

there's a concept in economics, i don't know how to refer to it in english, but it's the hidden cost of an asset.

it applies great in sports when you have limited slots for assets. when you spend a slot on an asset that isn't likely to increase in value over an asset that could be in a valorization process, the true cost of the asset is the cost of the asset + the cost corresponding to valorization rate of the asset snubbed in the slot + depreciation.

so an asset like dort is a prime piece to move NOW from a theoretical standpoint. you set the values on a monte carlo simulation and i guaranteed computing trades dort more often than not

If you give it an infinite timeline it will say to trade everyone. If you are specific about next season it will not trade Dort or anyone else that is a significant contributor unless you input the receiving value being worth more short-term and there is a strong chance that isn't a realistic option. Who wants to trade OKC a better player for Dort? A team focused on winning doesn't. A team that is trying to hit lottery will take Dort as salary filler, but they aren't interested in his on the court value so you are going to be giving the market value in draft pick compensation and reducing Dort to salary filler. What team would be interested in Dort?

I guess I could see Dallas being willing to move PJ Washington for Dort since they are going to be drafting Flagg and that could make Washington irrelevant for them. Are you good with that? Do you have another scenario that you think is possible? Dort, Kenrich, Dieng and 4 FRP to Brooklyn for Cam Johnson?

[Dadouv47]

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[Dadouv47]

Best game from the Shai/JDub duo in those POs so far

Dort with some key stops in the third quarter

Bench was pretty bad though

[Dadouv47]

stupid fouls